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Snohomish County rules bikini baristas are adult businesses

by OWEN LEI / KING 5 News and Associated Press

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Posted on December 9, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Updated Wednesday, Dec 9 at 5:45 PM

EVERETT, Wash. -  The Snohomish County Council has passed an ordinance requiring that bikini barista stands with partially nude employees or sexually suggestive signs be licensed as adult entertainment.

The ordinance passed Wednesday requires employees and customers to be at least 18. Violators could be shut down as a public nuisance.

"It was allowed to persist in Snohomish County too long," said business owner Rhonda Bremond. One of those stands is in her parking lot.

The Snohomish County council's unanimous vote means if stands want to keep the pasties and thongs, they have to be licensed as adult businesses with all the restrictions that come with that distinction.

"So that it's clear to everybody, so that you and I can peacefully coexist in the same neighborhood, this is how we have to act towards one another," said Bremond.

"Whatever the law is, that's what we'll follow," said Bill Wheeler, owner of the Grab 'N' Go Bikini Huts. He feels that businesses like his are being unfairly targeted.

"I'm just amazed that the county council is worried about this when their budget's out of whack and people are living out on the street. They're not even worried about them," said Wheeler.

But some say the ordinances don't go far enough. Specifically, they only go as far as the edges of unincorporated Snohomish County. Stands in Everett, for example, are not affected. And while they do have new city laws against lewd conduct, there's nothing on the books about what baristas cannot wear.

The laws say you can qualify as an "adult sales practice" if your employees are partially nude. That includes, wearing things like g-strings, t-backs, thongs, body paints, body dye and latex.

The one word you won't see?

Bikini.

Wheeler says he has no intention of getting an adult business license. He says, for now, he's asked the girls to cover up and eventually, they'll go back to bikinis.

"We're not going to move our stand," said Wheeler.

Those stands that do license as adult businesses, their employees would also need licenses. They'd also have to put up Adults Only signs and they'd be subject to fines and jail time for breaking nuisance laws pertaining to adult businesses.

The county laws take effect Jan. 1, 2010.
 

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babeinthecloud said on January 8, 2010 at 9:47 AM

anonymoususer : I don't care what anyone else here says and I agree with you! Most of these people who are into these stands are nasty perverts!!!!!!! Yeah you heard me folks!!!!!!! Perverts! Ask yourselves what the purpose of these stands are huh? DUH! It's to arouse men!!!! Like I said -perverts. America is becoming perversed. Does freedom mean being nasty? Apparently so because I already know that there will be a barrage of pervs answering to what I am saying now or saying really rude things. I don't care. I think America needs to get back to morals! Back in the 50's this sort of behavior was not heard of because people actually had values!! Americans don't even know what that is anymore! Yeah you heard me! Say what you will! Bite me!

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gobikinibaristas said on December 14, 2009 at 11:17 PM

and anonymoususer.....that was ONE stand where girls were bein nasty.......you're discriminating against ALL bikini baristas due to one isolated case...i would NEVER do a whipped cream show or flash my privates at a guy for ANY amount of money.....

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gobikinibaristas said on December 14, 2009 at 11:14 PM

bazwest said on December 9, 2009 at 9:54 PM Good job snohomish county council! You made the absolute right decision here. If men want to degrade themselves and go see nearly nude women it should be out of view of the general public. And I really don't understand the women who parade themselves in this way in front of the men who line up to oggle at them, I feel for them, I really do. They are only managing to degrade themselves too which is bad enough at any price but for such a cheap price? Come on people. There is so much more to life that is truly fulfilling go out and get a life! And discover what you have been missing.. I just happen to be a bikini barista...and I do ot "degrade" myself....Im smiply usin what I got while I still got it. and if it was degrading it wouldnt be for cheap....i work full time at ten dollars an hour...amd bring in over $600 a week in tips......I can make almost $4000 in a month when we're really busy....so lettin guys stare at me is worth it

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zifnab said on December 11, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Some people are real idiots. anonymoususer "In America, we have great Christian-based morals where we believe sex is a sin." So your saying England, France, Germany, Italy, etc are NOT Christians? Really? They are MUCH more strict then US Christians and follow your bible a lot more closely. But you can see FULL nudity on their TV and billboards. Explain THAT! US Christians have become the puritans Europe has become more free. Free country my a&&. Sounding more and more Muslim every day around here. QUICK COVER THE WOMEN MEN ARE AROUND!

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puzzled said on December 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM

I would think that in this Bush legacy economy, that any business that generates a great deal of traffic, as many retailers are closing their doors, would be welcome.

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rainierian said on December 10, 2009 at 2:10 PM

A lot of the girls who work there weren't wearing swimsuits like on the beach. Some wore bras, and thongs, and even pasties. Which are clothes you'd find....wait for it....not at the beach, in a bedroom maybe, strip club definitely. I'm not overweight or ugly and I certainly didn't mind the bikini baristas, as long as they wear bikinis. I will never buy coffee there because I love my starbucks. But good job city council finally did something right. I bet in 2 years all of those coffee stands will be gone. The one in colorado only lasted like 4 months, like 2 or 3 have shut down in oregon. So support them or not, it's a dying cause. Get over it. And your right there are like 4 more of those coffee stands so hey you all could go get coffee at one of them if you really want to see "hot" girls way under your age making coffee. Be sure to tip them good because it's really cold outside and they are wearing almost nothing.

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chuckstr76 said on December 10, 2009 at 10:00 AM

anonymoususer, your an idiot with comments like that, did you see a Boeing vehicle at a bikini stand, I doubt it. they have better things to do, unlike you.

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chuckstr76 said on December 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM

anonymoususer...your an idiot with comments like that...did you see a Boeing vehicle in a bikini stand? I doubt it....they had better things to do, unlike you..

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chuckstr76 said on December 10, 2009 at 9:55 AM

I wonder how much of our tax dollars were spent doing this? All because some good looking young ladies wanted to make a few extra dollars in tips. Way to go Snohomish county, and in this day and age when people are STILL loosing their jobs and watching every penny they get even closer than ever.

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newgtguy said on December 10, 2009 at 8:20 AM

City councels are a joke. They have almost none of the power they think they do. If this ever sees the inside of a courtroom, it's over.

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digitlsubversion said on December 10, 2009 at 8:03 AM

So now that they're classified as adult businesses, that means that instead of teasing the customers, they can actually go full topless? If people were concerned about sanitary conditions, they just made it worse, instead of better, by classifying it as an adult business. That's the funny part, they weren't topless before, since that was wrong, but not that it's an adult business, it opens up a whole can of worms.

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chevelle70ss said on December 10, 2009 at 7:26 AM

so if they are listed as adult entertainment doesnt that mean they can get naked then, that would be sweet. And the point of not serving coffee to under 18 year olds is stupid. What are these girls supposed to do card kids for coffee now?

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sharkbeight said on December 9, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Way to go Snohomish County Council you have just secured the ugly fat women vote, the hypochristian vote, the prude vote and the homely hairy arm pit would never be caught in a bikini barista vote. I'm so sick of hearing on the news how the local governments are wasting anytime on these coffee stands. All of the groups who hate these stands and think it's their jobs to legislate our lives need to go pour themselves a big ole cup of shut the f*** up. Lose weight, quit church, shave your armpits or just be happy with yourself and leave other people alone. If you think that a woman pouring a cup of coffee in scantily clad outfits is the bane of this world your life is pretty effen good then. I say let them get naked if they want the only way you see them is if you are up there ordering the coffee I drive by 4 of them everyday and unless I drive through I don't see anything. Keep your eyes on the road.

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seattle1111 said on December 9, 2009 at 9:57 PM

This is so hilarious! I could really care less about these "bikini baristas." I have never gone to one and don't plan on it. There are coffee stands on EVERY corner, people! Take your pick! Pick one with fully clothed women! Come one council! Dont you have bigger fish to fry? Murderers, rapists, child molesters? Go after the real criminals! It's so funny how people get so worked up over this sh*t, lol.

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bazwest said on December 9, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Good job snohomish county council! You made the absolute right decision here. If men want to degrade themselves and go see nearly nude women it should be out of view of the general public. And I really don't understand the women who parade themselves in this way in front of the men who line up to oggle at them, I feel for them, I really do. They are only managing to degrade themselves too which is bad enough at any price but for such a cheap price? Come on people. There is so much more to life that is truly fulfilling go out and get a life! And discover what you have been missing.

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hereiam said on December 9, 2009 at 9:06 PM

Good for you Snohomish County Coucil. Finally it's being called by the right name: Adult entertainment! Thank you Council Members. I hope other counties will follow you.

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nwpow said on December 9, 2009 at 8:41 PM

This is freakin ridiculous. Its not appropriate social attire- do kids wear those things to school? Do you wear those things to work? Its swimwear, designed for the beach. A coffee stand is there to provide coffee, not hot young girls. If thats what you want, go to a strip club. Freakin sickos goin to a coffee stand just to get a hard-on? Why else are you going to one of these places? It is something the council should have stepped in on because its completely stupid. It should be targeted, and it should be regulated, because you ARE selling the sex appeal, not the product. For the reference, I hate PC also.

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jackwong said on December 9, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Thanks Snohomish city council... if you want prostitution, go to Amsterdam. In America, we have great Christian-based morals where we believe sex is a sin. To continue that tradition, we need more laws like this to curb adultery behavior.

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seattleluvmonger said on December 9, 2009 at 8:31 PM

thats my point exactly "blanking out"....equality in Bikini Barista's.....besides Cap Hill....were Gays are doomed to live....lets see some male coffee shops....But I bet you 1 million dollars....it will never happen...not because there would be no revenue generated.....but becuase there would be such a huge uproar...that all male barista's would be shut down.....where is the fairness in that????.

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pixelater said on December 9, 2009 at 8:31 PM

Factoid, a clear, concise, literate and spot on post.

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libshaveruinedwa said on December 9, 2009 at 8:15 PM

factoid you are correct - the market will dictate. However, I should have the right to walk by the establishment without having to see their bare as***! If any of these stands choose to wear less than a bikini then they should be treated as an adult establishment and you should not be able to see them from outside the building.

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blankingout said on December 9, 2009 at 8:14 PM

I would not uproar if they had a male g-string coffee stand... Men have uproared against homosexuality and the last time I checked, homosexuality was once protested against but now is accepted in culture... so why can't bakini baristas? Also besides women hating on other women, if anyone has seen this site called dancingbear, the stuff women do at bachelorette parties is 10x worst than what happens at a male-targeted strip club.

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waterdevil said on December 9, 2009 at 8:06 PM

What this really means folks, is that Snobhomish County will simply deny permits to run the stands. You see, as an adult entertainment establishment, they would have to be in an area zoned for such. This is just a way to deny new businesses from starting. Nothing more. If they were really serious about correcting them, they would simply state. "Only swim wear that is worn on public swim areas etc is allowed. Under clothes, I.E. bras, panties etc will be grounds for a fine and or losing the permit to operate." Then the peak a boo prudes who sneak a peak wont see a Victoria Secrets covered bottom or top.. What do you think?? Isnt it funny anonymoususer seems to know so much about prostitution.. LMAO Sounds like a man who has passed a lot of $20 dollar bills their way..LOL Too funny..

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factoid said on December 9, 2009 at 7:28 PM

It should not be Governments place to dictate what a person wears while serving coffee. The market place will decide if this is a good idea or not. Government needs to get their priorities straight and quit wasting every ones hard earned money with ridiculous ordinances such as this. This will be challenged in court and waste some more of our money.

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puzzled said on December 9, 2009 at 7:18 PM

What is next? Forcing Walmart to be licensed as adult businesses? I feel that all those fat women wearing spandex are a public nuisance. I choose not to patronize them.

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seattleluvmonger said on December 9, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Men as well as women would be in a uproar if there were men in G-strings with their stuff flopping around, serving coffee....here is something I wonder... are these coffee shops breaking labor laws?....looks like gender discrimination to me...so if you a male you're only good enough to work for Starbucks??

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nesy83 said on December 9, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Just beacuse you don't look good in a bikini doesn't mean no one else should be able to wear one. They should band big women from wearing revealing clothes. I have seen a big women wear stuff that is way to tight or their twins about ready to pop out and skin that is not covered at all.

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nesy83 said on December 9, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Just because you don't look good in a bikini doesn't mean no one else should be able to wear them. Maybe they should band fat women wearing clothes that reveal more then people would like to see also. I see big women wearing stuff that hardly covers all their rolls and their twins about ready to pop out.....

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thebish said on December 9, 2009 at 5:28 PM

They are worried that their kids might see some skin LOL Maybe it will have a positive effect on the kids. Telling the kids that it is not OK to be fat and lazy. That it is not OK to be 5ft 5in and 170lbs.That they too could have healthy bodies like that if would get off the couch and stop playing video games for 4 hours a day, watching T.V. and eating at McDonalds. No that would make their fat parent look bad. Have you noticed that not many kids anymore play at playgrounds. I wonder why? Americans are some of the fattest people on earth.

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brian520 said on December 9, 2009 at 5:28 PM

The issue is zoning.....where, how, when, why, and with whom. I love looking at women at the time and place of my choosing. These activities and modes of dress are fabulous but should be somehow set away from normal business and retail. Nothing wrong with an attractive, scantily clad woman like Our Statue of Liberty. Just don't "infringe" on people's workaday/business grind modes when they don't need to be interrrupted by the shocking beauty.

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proudamerican said on December 9, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Who is going to define "partially nude" and a "sexually suggestive sign"? Is somebody going to go to these businesses and check up on them? What a waste of time and money.

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mightymite said on December 9, 2009 at 5:21 PM

So, I'm wondering, if a Coffee Stand owner does register it as an adult business, then what is ok for the baristas to do? I suspect we'll just see new limits pushed.

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dougtingvall said on December 9, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Let's hope the courts have a little more courage than the County Council and strike down this ordinance as unconstitutional. Let's get government off our backs!

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dakotanative said on December 9, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Let's see. If men were serving coffee and "extras" I would be so mad that I would drive right past there and stop where the women are. It is obvious that women doing more than selling coffee will be a problem. But, women do show up at the pool with no more attire than the baristas, even if they just have pasties.

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puzzled said on December 9, 2009 at 4:03 PM

RE: anonymoususer said on December 9, 2009 The reason for Boeing is moving out of Puget Sound has nothing to do with bikini clad baristas. However both the decisions made by the council, and Boeing have similar reasons, PROFIT. Boeing has been trying to bust the union for years, Shipping area jobs to Right to Work States, the dim-wits that don't have the gumption to stand up and fight for a wage that you can survive on. I thought Boeing learned their lesson when they tried (unsucessfully) to move the 737 line to California, where those dim-wits, couldn't finish even one, Crews had to be sent in from the Renton factory, to restore them to a flyable condition (in which they arrived in Long Beach), so they could be completed in Renton by skilled workers. The SCC now has the excuse to collect higher taxes and fees, all in the name of PROFIT.

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blairj said on December 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM

I would really like to see the wording of how Snohomish County will define exactly what clothing constitutes "partially nude" and what signage constitutes "sexually suggestive". How low can a neckline go, or how short can shorts be, before crossing the line? What words or illustrations on the signage cross the line?

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averagejoe said on December 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Anonymoususer, it is a shame that people such as yourself believe that you have the right to force YOUR point of view on a subject on anyone you care to, but would never dream of entertaining a discussion from the point of view which opposes yours. Your statement regarding prostitution is not quite accurate. also did you ever consider that just like any other business, there are those that will abuse the concept to thier own advantage. these are the people who need to be weeded out of the business, not writing laws that will put everyone in this industry out of business. these people have just as much right to free enterprise as everyone else. the easiest way to satisfy yourself that you will not have to be subjected to the young ladies, is not to get your coffee at a bikini barista stand. in other words,IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT, DO NOT GO THERE! But leave the option open for the large portion of the public that enjoys seeing a fresh young face dressed for the beach, while having coffee.

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yogibear said on December 9, 2009 at 3:37 PM

dede1978 good comment. mahsmom you could put me on that list

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mahsmom said on December 9, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Just wondering how many people posting here would be "outraged" if we were talking about men in g-strings serving coffee...and extras.

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wawolf said on December 9, 2009 at 3:29 PM

To the Anonymous user: I work next to one of these establishments and I haven't see the behavior you are talking about. I'm sure it happens, but then so does drug dealing and other illegal acts at legitimate businesses such as fast food restaurants. I would agree there should be spot checks to make sure the businesses are up to code and following the law, but putting them in the same category as topless bars doesn't make sense to me.

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coug85 said on December 9, 2009 at 3:27 PM

soggydan - Best Comment thus far. Keep em coming!

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justcommenting said on December 9, 2009 at 3:27 PM

i think 18 should also be age for drinking coffee. there's too many amped up "kids" on the street today.

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benjitek said on December 9, 2009 at 3:14 PM

"soggydan said on December 9, 2009 at 2:31 PMall the dogs at the dog park were naked today! Someone call animal control!" ...you can't call Animal Control, it no longer exists -- the council voted it away ;)

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dede1978 said on December 9, 2009 at 3:09 PM

OMG, some of you still don't get it. The issue is not bikini barista, although some call it that. They are wearing their underwear, thongs, bras, pasties. And yes, I would consider that "adult entertainment". Bikinis are not the issue here, it's everything else, including the suggestive photos and signage. So get over it, I'm kind of glad they've made this decision. Saying it's okay at the coffee stand is like saying it's okay to go just about anywhere in your underwear.

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ruba61 said on December 9, 2009 at 3:02 PM

HOW STUPIDID THIS COUNSEL!!! TIME FOR THE COURTS TO THROW THIS ORDINANCE OUT AS BEING UNCONSTITUTIONAL!! EVER HEAR OF FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION???

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bruce1949 said on December 9, 2009 at 2:43 PM

See what you pay your public servants for; now controlling where you go to get your coffee so your children accompanying you won't ask Mommy stupid liberal questions when they get home, i.e., Mommy, that lady had things hanging down in front of her. Where are yours?

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soggydan said on December 9, 2009 at 2:31 PM

all the dogs at the dog park were naked today! Someone call animal control!

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kksquared said on December 9, 2009 at 2:28 PM

anonymoususer, what you described were not acts of prostitution. They were perhaps tastless, or crude or crass - that depends on your point of view.

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glenh865 said on December 9, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Are all of our council members GAY, or PRUDES, or what? This is just stupidity! Like the comments above, I say the same thing! What next? If they are next to a school or a park, I can maybe see it. But on aurora or off a main road, leave them alone! The council needs to stop talking to the vast minority, and mind their own business! I hate PC! GO BIKINI BARISTAS!

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anonymoususer said on December 9, 2009 at 2:04 PM

I have yet to see a bikini wearing beach goer charger a CUSTOMER $20. so they can watch her lick whip cream off of another bikini wearing beach goer. I have yet to see pasties being worn at a beach and the wearer charging a CUSTOMER $20. to watch her take them off. I have yet to see a bikini wearing beach goer charge a customer $20. to watch her take her bikini off. Those acts are acts of prostitution. Anyone who is so dim-witted they cannot tell the difference is why boeing is leaving snohomish county for places that at least has a little common sense and decency. What company wants to have dim witted perverts build their airplanes??? (and who wants to fly in those airplanes ??? )

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kingtermite said on December 9, 2009 at 2:02 PM

God....this was part of the reason I left the south. :(

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dakotanative said on December 9, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Ok, if the lifeguards or patrons are wearing bikinis at a place where you pay such as a public pool or hotel with a pool, they must also register as an adult business. The Great Wolf Adult Familly Resort. Kinda has a rig to it!

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billiameveryman said on December 9, 2009 at 1:32 PM

So... Are we liberal, or conservative here? Or are we just liberal about the dumb stuff and conservative about the dumb stuff?

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wawolf said on December 9, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Next up: Laws requiring you to be 18 to wear a bikini on the beach.

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