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10-year-old with gun led violent group attack on Metro bus, police say

by KYLE MOORE / KING 5 News

KING5.com

Posted on August 18, 2010 at 5:26 PM

Updated Wednesday, Aug 18 at 5:55 PM

SOUTH SEATTLE - He is just 10 years old, but authorities say he led a violent group assault against another teenager on a Metro bus.

"This is pretty disturbing," says Seattle Police Spokesperson Mark Jamieson. "Anytime you find kids that young with firearms is disturbing."

On Tuesday night aboard the 7 Route, authorities surrounded a Metro bus after reports of gunfire and a robbery. Initially officers found a 10-year-old boy bleeding from the arm. That boy claimed to be the victim and accused a 17-year-old of attacking him.

Investigators say after multiple interviews, they determined the 10-year-old boy was lying.

According to police, the 10-year-old and his two brothers, ages 12 and 14, harassed the 17-year-old and attempted to rob him.

Authorities say when the 10-year-old started digging in his backpack for a 22 caliber semi-automatic pistol, the victim "bear-hugged" him.

"During the struggle that ensued, a shot was fired," said Jamieson.

The 10-year-old was taken to the hospital and released to the Youth Detention Facility. Prosecutors say the 10-year-old and his 12-and 14-year-old brothers will appear before a judge Thursday for a Detention hearing. All three are being held for investigation of robbery.

"What possesses a child at the age of ten and he or she should carry a gun." says minister Daniel Dean. In 2008, Dean help establish the Youth Violence Prevention Network. The organization was set up to try and keep kids away from violent incidents like the one aboard the Metro bus.

Minister Dean says, "We want to get to the kids and get to the youth before violence happens."

Dean says he tries to provide support, activities and positive role models for kids.

"We want to start at young ages," said Dean. "I believe 5 or 6 is a good age to start."

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denkoko said on August 20, 2010 at 1:19 PM

These children seem to have been born into a failed family. They need to be put into an environment where they can recieve intense counciling. I believe society does not do enough to try and rescue at risk problem children, no matter WHAT there ethnic background.

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vicountess said on August 20, 2010 at 1:14 PM

The kind of violent racism that advocates lynching is one of the factors that keeps populations from diversifying. Sociology tells us that when diverse groups of people must live together in a culture, it is better if there is a mixture of all cultures and socioeconomic brackets living together, rather than creating ghettos or ivory enclaves. This is why some of the newest housing projects have rejected the model of previous decades, where giant apartment buidlings house hundreds of people who were homogeneous in culture, race and socioeconomic bracket. In the newest of these developments, there are a variety of housing types for low, middle and high income brackets, with services available for those in need. Fear of violent racism that advocates lynching keeps people grouped homogeneously, fearful of stepping outside their comfort zones. It keeps people from being able to raise themselves up out of a bad situation. It is violent racism that created the environment these boys live in.

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vicountess said on August 20, 2010 at 1:06 PM

There is an incredible amount of racism on this forum, which I have gone through and flagged for review, and will hopefully be removed. This racism lies at the heart of the issue. All over this country, kids of all colors do dumb things with guns. It is not the color of the kid's skin that causes them to this. It isn't even their parenting or lack thereof. It is their age. Their brain development isn't fixed. This is why minors are treated differently when they commit crimes, this is why psychologists can't accurately diagnose many mental illnesses in kids. As adults we need to be the ones making the choices and taking the actions that cause change. If this bus was problematic, why didn't aduls who ride it report the issues to authorities, bring the issue to the media, even work together to make the ride safer? It completely boggles my mind that there are still people who believe that any African American person who steps out of line should be hung. That is the real issue.

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annoyedparent said on August 20, 2010 at 12:07 PM

billiameveryman that's just it I'm not justifying anything in this case. These kids definitely deserve to be punished! If these kids knew what punishment really was they probably wouldn't be in this mess today! I simply don't believe they should be thrown away or like many people are commenting "hanged" at 10, 12 & 14. I do not justify anyone attacking innosent people merely because they can. I am just saddened because you and I both know that with different parents these kids would not be the people they are probably going to end up being!! The story did not say if these kids had ever been in serious trouble before (meaning caught and punished because without the punishment they won't learn), therefore we don't know if rehabilitation is or isn't possible. I just believe that for 3 kids that were clearly failed and neglected by the person or people that were supposed to stear them right, they deserve at least one change to be saved.

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ksquared said on August 20, 2010 at 9:39 AM

King 5 - it is more than obvious who the racists are that regularly comment on this forum. Just eliminate them please. They waste time and space with their ignorant comments.

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bobknows said on August 20, 2010 at 7:09 AM

The censored news media won't say but I have to wonder if these children come from illegal alien drug gang families? Seems to me that any decent news reporting would have said one way or the other instead of leaving out the information. Its getting so that what wasn't said shoals louder than what is said.

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rustydog said on August 20, 2010 at 12:03 AM

Where are the parents of these kids? Why do I rarely read that parents are held accountable for what their kids do? Do parents have any responsiblity for their kids? I'll bet most of these kids come from single parent homes or broken homes yet the parents who brought them into this world are off doing their thing while their kids search for some boundries and authority to enforce them. Oh yes we musn't discipline them it might hurt their self esteem. How much can they have if they are doing crime. If the kid does time them the parents ought to do it with them. I'll bet there would be less going on if that were the rule.

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billiameveryman said on August 19, 2010 at 6:13 PM

Annoyed parent, people grow tired of hearing how these kids can be saved when in reality, most of them just escalate their crimes until they kill somebody (remember Tuba Man), or are killed themselves... Society has no use for these "kids" or the people that try to justify their crimes...

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billiameveryman said on August 19, 2010 at 6:10 PM

Emo, you realize that the law forbidding 10 year-olds to have guns already failed in this case, right, so more laws would do nothing...

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emopoops said on August 19, 2010 at 5:43 PM

yo know, this wouldnt have happend if there wasnt gns legal like they are today.. just saying

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nutinbutdatruth said on August 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM

Mother of the year award goes to...oh wait sorry the lady yesterday that suffocated her kids and drove her car in the water probaly takes that.

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annoyedparent said on August 19, 2010 at 4:59 PM

It amazes me how many people say things like these CHILDREN should be hanged!! This is why kids don't ever learn a better way, because society is always so quick to throw them away. I'll admit in all honestly I wouldn't bet money on these kids' rehabilitation, but at this age it's worth a try isn't it?? This is NOT their fault!! (Not that they shouldn't be punished please don't misunderstand me). But come on all three brothers are in trouble... this is not a "bad seed" "where did I go wrong with THIS ONE" scenerio. These kids have been failed by their parent(s). I don't care if it is 1 or 2 or 8 parents. I am one of 4 and my mom raised us ALL BY HERSELF and not one of us has ever been in trouble! A single mother has just as much responsibility to her children as a set of parentS do!! There's no excuse for this! Kids like this have to learn this behavior from somewhere! They didn't ask to be born and they certainly didn't raise themselves!! Well... maybe they did...

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mpjohnson100 said on August 19, 2010 at 3:41 PM

Why does it not suprise me at all that it was on the Route 7, what other bus would you expect? Juvy is too good for these kids!

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ferkle said on August 19, 2010 at 2:32 PM

The #7 is always a freak show after about 5:00 in the evening. I can't take the bus home from work because of this. Several times I have been the only white guy on the bus and have had rude teenagers mess with me because of it. I would usually just bail and walk the last 2 or 3 miles home. I don't understand why this is allowed to continue when METRO and the police know this is going on. Oh, and I almost forgot, the parent of the little thugette should go to jail.

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chachabax said on August 19, 2010 at 11:59 AM

HANG ALL 3 OF THEM ON TV NOW, THEN SHOW IT IN SCHOOLS TO ALL KIDS YOU WILL PAY FOR YOUR CRIMES,THIS WILL HAPPEN TO YOU IF YOU BRAKE THE LAW. OR LETS SPEND 1000S ON THEM FOR REABILATION THAT WONT WORK, AND IN A FEW YEARS WHEN THEY ALL 3 MURDER PEOPLE, WE`LL SPEND 1000S TO KEEP THEM IN JAIL FOR LIFE WITH OUR TAX PAYER MONEY.

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brentallica said on August 19, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Throw the kid out now......the chances he'll be in jail for life by the time he's 21 are around 100%. Sterilize these single mothers with 50 kids.....

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siusir said on August 19, 2010 at 9:58 AM

Nothing left to do for these 10, 12, and 14 y.o. brothers but a good hanging; if just to preempt having to waste more taxpayers' money to jail them for the rest of their lives after their future crimes (you know they will progress to more serious crimes). While at it, take care of their parents too. Must have some really wasted parents to raise such law-abiding kids.

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kingsolver1000rr said on August 19, 2010 at 9:39 AM

too late for this kid

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cyrixlord said on August 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM

I agree, minister Dean! 5 or 6 is a good age to start teaching children about gun safety and respect. We all know what happens when we go the prohibition route for things, right?

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tacwilster said on August 19, 2010 at 9:33 AM

Not surprising when you take a look at the video games, 7 to 10 year olds play! they are all mostly violent, why as a society have we allowed this kind of gaming in our homes, why do we buy it for our children?? Violence seems to be the norm now, with video games, movies, commercials, cartoons, on and on. I think as a society we can only expect more of this !

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etohsi said on August 19, 2010 at 8:45 AM

Back in my day a child was taught to respect his elders by a good ole whoopin. I marched myself many a time to the tree in the back yard to pick out my own switch. Every parent on the block had whoopin rights if I acted up in their house. Even the teachers were allowed to use the paddle. We were taught there are punishments for wrong and rewards for right. Time out in the corner just doesnt teach the same lesson espicaly when the kids know all they have to do is claim abuse and their parents are in trouble. The power has been taken from the parents hands and placed in the lap of children. No wonder kids are acting out without fear of being in big trouble.

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zebula said on August 19, 2010 at 8:44 AM

Hang the little bastrd. He's a lost cause.

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skippypotpiebaby said on August 19, 2010 at 8:34 AM

Wow Mom !! I am home at last

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dorimonsonfan said on August 19, 2010 at 8:13 AM

joliska, statistics and common sense are pretty good indicators that there is no dad in this kids life.

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allgirlusa said on August 19, 2010 at 7:49 AM

Did someone say birth control? Education should have began with the parents. These kids were doomed as embyos.

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joliska said on August 19, 2010 at 7:46 AM

There is nothing that says that the boys are being raised by a single mom. this was all from the imagination of a couple of posters lacking the common sense of "think before you type."

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adcpdx said on August 19, 2010 at 7:36 AM

Terrible. Sad. These kids lives ended before they even really began...

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newlogin86 said on August 19, 2010 at 7:35 AM

All this dissing on "A single mom", but where is the dad? Why do they f**ck and bail? They are the true cowards. But mom also seems to be the lazy one. 3 siblings and all 3 trouble. My mom pretty much raise 4 kids single, and we did not get into this kind of trouble.

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bookintyme said on August 19, 2010 at 6:24 AM

Kids need positive role models, but not starting at age 5 or 6. They need to see them from birth. They are called parents and family.

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kagiee said on August 19, 2010 at 6:15 AM

If that would have been one of my kids, let alone all three, when they were younger, they would be thanking God the authorities got ahold of them before me!!! The Soap Lake, Wa police officer I talked to told me you can't arrest a kid 10 and under...After investigating this I found out that if a child is over the age 8 and can be proven to know better that is not the case..Maybe something in this childs "past" could have been seen and this stopped before he reached the ripe old age of 10! And to blame this on the city of Seattle is idiotic. How about those older brothers? And to blame it on the basketball team is even more idiotic...ya know they have those games in schools? These three kids have parents somewhere, anybody seen them? Oh, and take away his games for 6mo.? I know how about til he is 18! This is a 10yr. old with a gun. Moving him to another city is probably not gonna work at this stage of the game.

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truthdector said on August 19, 2010 at 6:12 AM

America's new demographic, get used to it, everything is lost all the hard work and sacrifice of your grandparents has been used up before your grandchildren get to live; all they can do is hunker down, get lots of guns and barricade themselves in because the government is too politically incapable of protecting them, they threw it all away.

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brewster said on August 19, 2010 at 1:10 AM

Throw the whole family in the gas chamber, stop the gene pool right now!

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dorimonsonfan said on August 18, 2010 at 11:23 PM

the only chance this kid has is to take him away from his single mother and place him in a good home somewhere in issaquah, sammamish, kirkland, or redmond. keep him out of seattle and away from his thug friends until he is at least 21 and he'll do ok in life.

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joliska said on August 18, 2010 at 11:19 PM

Invalid: It doesn't help to encourage incorrect stereotypes. Single parenthood does not equal a ten year old with a gun trying to steal. The reality of things are usually not what the stereotypes state they are. Whatever the situation, what it boils down to is three kids without proper supervision. They might have single mother or a single father, two parents or no parents. Any of those are possible scenarios and it is unjust to assume that a "single mother" is the only root of the issue.

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invalid said on August 18, 2010 at 10:00 PM

Anyone want to bet "the parents" is a single mother?

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emptynestr said on August 18, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Parents are the ones who should be taken into accountabliity for what their kids are doing. Since all three brothers are involved it has to be a lack of parental control, discpline and supervision. These parents need to get their heads on straight and step up the plate and BE PARENTS or have their kids taken away from them. You know... Society can bash Christianity all they want but the basic teaching is to help people get outside of themselves and think about others other than themselves all the time. "Train up a child in the way he should go and he will not depart from it." (Proverbs 26: 6) Yes, there are fanatics in Christian churches too and I don't in anyway condone them. But the teaching is morally good for all of us.

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dreambeing said on August 18, 2010 at 8:25 PM

I find myself in agreement with all of the previous comments. The parents should be sterilized. The boy should be have his video-games taken away for at least 6-months! This is also the fault of the Seattle City Council. If they would have fought for our Sonics, the 10-yr old would have had a Basketball in his backpack instead of a gun! Shame on you, Seattle!

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cementmixer said on August 18, 2010 at 6:51 PM

It's really sad. He was just starting to get his life turned around and now this.

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pete33 said on August 18, 2010 at 6:01 PM

yogibear-Totally agreed. In addition arrest the parents and lock them up with the kids and then give them an a*** whipping!

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yogibear said on August 18, 2010 at 5:55 PM

These three little brats need a good a@@ whooping along with mom and dad.

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jakedog said on August 18, 2010 at 5:47 PM

There are these two individuals kids are born to, they're called PARENTS! Until we start making the parents responsible for their children, these kinds of events are going to increase. You can throw all the social programs you want at them, but it starts with proper parenting and responsibility. If the people don't want to be parents, make them pay a monthly fee for care and supervision. Take this out of their food stamps and welfare, this will bring them around.

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