Print
Email
Share

Memorial for dog killed by police; City leaders want more investigation

by OWEN LEI / KING 5 News

KING5.com

Posted on November 15, 2010 at 1:29 PM

Updated Monday, Nov 15 at 1:29 PM

DES MOINES, Wash. - More than a hundred people and dozens of dogs gathered at a Des Moines home today to remember a dog shot and killed by police.

And amidst the public outcry, city leaders are calling for an independent investigation.

"We're really overwhelmed with the kindness that people have shown us," said Charles Wright, who owned Rosie, a 2-year-old Newfoundland. "People have come from all over the Northwest to show their respects.  It's beyond words what it means to us."

A procession of Newfoundlands and Saint Bernards wheeling carts of roses joined in the memorial for Rosie.  Letters, photos, and other items lined the fence of the backyard where the dog was killed.

"It is hard, but on the other hand it felt good just to be able to hug one [Newfoundland] again," said Deirdre Wright.

Last Sunday, around noon, Rosie got out of her yard.  After someone called Des Moines Police, officers found the dog wandering in traffic.  According to police reports, when they tried to get close to her, she growled and showed her teeth.  The report also indicated she charged and barked at officers.

"On two separate occasions, the dog charged at us quickly, and retreaded [sic] after several loud shouts of 'Bad Dog Go Home,'" said the report.

One officer "deployed his Tazer [sic]," it continued, "striking the dog in its side with two dart probe contacts. The dog immediately began to yelp, and ran off with minimal effect."

The dog soon ran through an open gate into Lora Perry's yard, near the intersection of 16th Ave South and 272nd St. 

"She got trapped because at some point I closed both gates," said Perry, who said she didn't notice the dog for at least 20 minutes. "I sensed that she was frightened, just because she was so frozen."

Perry said Rosie was sitting in a wooded patch of blackberry bushes in the back of her home when officers arrived.

Continuing the officer's police report: "I felt both my safety, and the safety of the public was in jeopardy because of this dog's vicious behaviors, and determined lethal force was necessary.  Additionally, other means, such as calling the dog, using a Taser, and a catchpole, had failed in an attempt to detain the dog.  All assisting officers were behind me and asked if they were prepared for me to use lethal force on the dog."

"After the first shot, I heard the dog yelping," Perry said.  Officers said they shot the dog several more times, from about 30 to 45 feet away, and determined she was dead.

Perry disagreed with the decision, saying "everything that occurred was wrong."

"It absolutely didn't... have to happen," she said. "The dog could have stayed in my yard as long as she wanted."

The Seattle Humane Society and the Newfoundland Club of Seattle have asked city officials to investigate.

"Dogs are parts of our lives in Puget Sound, and regardless of whether it's a Newfoundland or some other breed, we expect them to be treated humanely and with compassion," said Richard Jack, president of the Newfoundland Club of Seattle, and one of the organizers of Rosie's vigil.

Dog owners from as far as Oregon and Canada attended the vigil.

Des Moines Police said a review board will determine if officers followed proper procedure in this case, but the city mayor is calling for a third party review.

"We're going to look at... some other organizations that may be requested to to look into the report and make comments on it," said Mayor Bob Sheckler, who suggested an animal advocacy group that has not made any formal statement on the shooting.

The Wrights spent the final moments of the vigil near a bundle of yellow roses at the site Rosie died, away from the dispersing crowd. 

A Facebook page called Justice for Rosie has been created.

Print
Email
Share
 

To add a comment, please register or login.

1000 characters remaining

Submit

We welcome your comments on this story's topic. Off-topic comments, personal attacks, and inappropriate language may be flagged and removed, and comment privileges blocked, per our Terms of Service. Thanks for keeping the comments space respectful.

Privacy Policy

You have indicated this comment should be removed.

Close

The comment has been submitted for review. Thank you .

Comments: Displaying 1 - 15 of 97

wmdkitty said on August 3, 2011 at 2:33 PM

Another innocent shot by the cops. When will it end?

71766152
Flag this comment

Destroyah said on August 2, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Wow. I am stunned at what complete stupidity was shown on the police department's end. If the dog had actually attacked them, I could understand this. But to be locked in a yard...Call animal control. I live in California, and this is the kind of back woods idiot cop mentality we have here. I used to live in Washington, and it never occurred to me that the low i.q. cops were there too. They lames should be held accountable for this; hopefully it won't be handled Cali-style; where everyone in the p.d. pats these guys on the butts and congratulates them on killing something. My prayers to the dog's owners. I hope justice is served.

71714472
Flag this comment

maxiemom said on February 17, 2011 at 2:34 PM

All you people defending the police: watch the video on youtube. As despicable as the police actions are here, I did, and few things have made my blood boil more than this did. THE DOG WAS IN HER OWN YARD WHEN THEY GOT THERE. FROM THE MOMENT THEY ARRIVED THEY DISCUSSED KILLING HER- THERE WERE NO REAL ATTEMPTS TO USE ANYTHING OTHER THAN LETHAL FORCE. They weren't anything but executioners, and it is clear from the tape that these creeps ENJOYED killing this dog. THEY DELIBERATELY TORMENTED HER TO FORCE HER OUT OF HER YARD. WATCH IT BEFORE YOU DARE DEFEND THESE FIENDS. THEY SHOULD BE IN JAIL, AND WOULD BE IF THEY WEREN'T BULLIES WITH BADGES, BETTER KNOWN AS SOCIOPATHS. Only that type of person enjoys torturing and killing a dog with the kind of relish exhibited by these creeps as on the video. I wouldn't want them anywhere near my home because I would not feel safe- and neither should you.

60733752
Flag this comment

trekdiane said on November 28, 2010 at 3:14 PM

My heart just breaks for the fear that the police have due to ignorance. Why is okay to claim fearing for life, or fear of whatever, to kill humans or animals. FEAR is a perception often brought on by lack of knowledge. I, for one, expect the police to KNOW that this dog was not aggressive and to get more information before shooting. It is the same fear that causes people to call 911 when they are afraid and then give dramatic report that starts the whole thing going down the wrong path. I don not trust the police in my area to not shoot first and then ask questions later. I see it all the time, I hear it whe they stop someone..there is FEAR in their voices, and they scare me and I'm just listening form my bedroom window. IGNORANCE killed Rosie, as it killed the native american wood carver. I want my taxes to go to those who will educate the Police Department...and make them PEACE officers again..not just soldiers in a war on the streets. I worry about my dog now.

56475094
Flag this comment

otter814u said on November 26, 2010 at 9:34 AM

I find the double standard of the police department disturbing. Why is it that if I injure a police dog ( trained to attack) who has been released on my person, I am treated as if I injured an officer of the law. Yet our police force thinks little of killing one of "our" family members, even go so far as to chase the animal into it's own yard. Kind of unfair to say the least. Is that how one gets the title of, "Hero".

56386562
Flag this comment

anonytx said on November 21, 2010 at 2:23 PM

This is simple... I know in my state this would be Animal Cruelty. One shot should kill... Should not suffer by being shot several times before death. Clearly they are not trained and know how animal control officers do their job. It was in a yard.... Call animal control and let them deal with the animal because clearly the police department has NO clue at ALL. Why wasnt the animal tranquilized by animal control? They do it all over the country. Ive caught lots of dogs that were AGGRESSIVE (70lb fighting pitbulls) yet he was afraid of this dog?? To the police officers... if you are scared of a dog.... GET ANOTHER JOB

56140919
Flag this comment

tracak said on November 16, 2010 at 9:25 AM

Granted a dog is not more important than child, but if that family all they have is a dog, then that is their child... I would be so mad if the police just shot and killed my dog cuz they were lazy... Yes police officers are out on the streets trying to make them safer... I have a brother who is a cop and i am proud of him for the service he performs.. but when officers are taking the easy way out of things.. then those officers need to be punished... that dogs was part of someones family and if i was them i would be knocking on city halls doors demanding justice... my heart goes out to the family of Rosie... she is laying there with a big bone watching over you now... and to all you empty hearted people go get a dog and have it taken from you suddenly and see how it feels... just because people are not commenting on the story of the burned childeren doesnt mean the nation or state isnt send prayers to the family in this time of need...

55830744
Flag this comment

infowarsdotcom said on November 15, 2010 at 10:37 PM

this is becoming COMMON for police cross country....no threat....just fire!

55807479
Flag this comment

justmeme said on November 15, 2010 at 9:25 PM

If you lived in Des Moines in the late 80's or early 90's you know Des Moines is well known for it's dislike of dogs...this does not surprise me at all.I am sorry for the owners and anyone that does live in that city knows that you keep your dog locked up or go to jail.

55804884
Flag this comment

pnwfemale said on November 15, 2010 at 7:21 PM

It's pretty easy to mistake fear for aggression if a dog is growling. From reading the article it seems to me that the dog was really scared. If she got trapped in Lori Perry's yard, was she still in the yard when the police shot and killed her? Perry said that the dog was welcome to stay in her yard as long as she wanted. But, it's not really clear in the article if the dog was still in Perry's yard. It just indicates that Rosie was in the back of her home. If the dog was in the yard, then it was not endangering the public. There is no clear reason as to why the police needed to kill her.

55799834
Flag this comment

yessir said on November 15, 2010 at 7:07 PM

southpaw? Seriously? I've known a few Newfies and they were very gentle, family oriented dogs.... but ANY breed can have an aggressive dog, and making a totally exclusive statement like that? Come on. That's a sure fire way to lose total credibility.

55799296
Flag this comment

southpawcg said on November 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM

@semisweet: You clearly have NO KNOWLEDGE OF DOGS. It is not possible for a Newfoundlander to be aggressive unless it has Rabies -- and that would be clearly evident from an autopsy. This dog should be autopsied, and if the result is negative for rabies, then the officers involved should be heavily fined and immediately removed from the police force. This behaviour is indefensible, vile, callous, foolish, impetuous and reprehensible. (those who disagree can look up all those big words later) If they had used one of their donuts instead of their GUNS to approach this situation, the result would have been very different. I am sorry to say so, but this situation REEKS of AMERICA. You are no longer great as a country because of your national obsession with GUNS. The fact that any of you can defend this ridiculous, unacceptable police behaviour is even more incredible than this unforgivable act itself.

55797208
Flag this comment

chuckstr76 said on November 15, 2010 at 6:13 PM

next....

55796748
Flag this comment

think said on November 15, 2010 at 6:06 PM

semisweet...how 'bout a name chane to sourpuss. There's nothing sweet about you.

55796508
Flag this comment

semisweet said on November 15, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Seriously people. Its a dog. He got aggressive with a human. Cop or not, I would have shot it too. This is just stupid. Don't let your dogs get out and get aggressive or this will happen. Get over it.

55796036
Flag this comment

pherschman said on November 15, 2010 at 5:44 PM

For those blaming the owner because the dog escaped a fenced in yard, let me point out that utility people constantly leave open gates after reading meters, etc., so mistakes happen. That is NO reason for the cops to taser a dog. And once tasered, how would you expect an animal to act? By several eye witness accounts, this one tried to hide, but the big tough cowboy had to "save the day" and shoot a defenseless animal in a situation where it was confined and would have remained confined until animal control arrived. One might also consider that the idiot with the gun endangered everyone within range by unnecessarily discharging his weapon.

55795591
Flag this comment

genagee said on November 15, 2010 at 5:22 PM

To sandy1239- 1) People put Beware of Dog signs up for many reasons that have nothing to do with the temperament of their dog. Many people, myself included are more concerned with people carelessly opening the gate so Beware of Dog USUALLY keeps that from happening. 2) She was 130 lbs, not 200 lbs 3)Newfoundlands are considered one of the most gentle breed of dog there is, their whole job which they do instinctively is rescue people in the water, but hey I will agree that its possible that she did show her teeth and bark, but umm she was scared. 4) The biggest issue with this is that the officer had a choice and he chose to kill the dog. She was cowering in a rose bush scared to death, in a fenced in yard. At what point does it make more sense to end the life of an animal that is not a threat at the moment than to wait 10 minutes for animal control to get there. That officer used extremely poor judgement. That is the issue.

55794493
Flag this comment

dirtydon said on November 15, 2010 at 4:30 PM

Did the dog have a stick and a pocket knife?

55791794
Flag this comment

sandy1239 said on November 15, 2010 at 4:15 PM

If this police department starts a precedent of purchasing a dog for the owners of Rosie, it will only invite all kinds of lawsuits and further "investigations. The cause of this accident is the owners' careless restraint of the dog when they were not watching it. If the dog had not escaped from it's yard, this would not have happened. If someone let it out of the yard, sue them. It's funny how people who own aggressive dogs always say their dogs are gentle until someone gets bitten, and then they blame someone else for it. They never ever take responsibility for any problems caused by their dog. Start the "investigation" with the neighbors, animal control, and everyone involved with the dog to find out the reason the owners have a sign up the says clearly "BEWARE of DOG" This whole thing is unreasonable. I am sure it is like when your child gets killed how these people feel, but to have all these people furious at the police is not right.

55790949
Flag this comment

sandy1239 said on November 15, 2010 at 4:03 PM

I'm an animal lover, but strongly object to any more of the pllice budget being squandered on this insanity. The dog was loose and the police were called. Did you people not notice the "Beware of Dog" sign on the owners locked gate. I think the dog was probably aggressive. Even the person whose property it was admits she did not see what occurred between the dog and the officers, she only heard the shots. If you have a 200 pound dog that acts aggressivly, keep it locked up. It's your responsibility. Police that respond to these calls are not veterinarians and do not have the skills or equipment to make these judgement calls. You all don't want to pay any more taxes for things like that either so shut up. We are lucky anyone will even take the job of policeman anymore much less get in a big huff about shooting a dog that was where it shouldn't have been. Justice for Rosie should be a funeral at the owner's expense. It's really sad but an accident.

55790346
Flag this comment

wearedoomed said on November 15, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Looks like a cute doggie to me? Makes me feel sad.....I'm sure if I saw pictures of the GIANT DOG GROWLING, AND CHARGING! I might feel different. But after seeing the photos I'm sad.....

55789734
Flag this comment

yessir said on November 15, 2010 at 3:01 PM

If you read the article it states a "catchpole" failed to work.... I didn't realize officers carried catchpoles (animal control does). Is it possible animal control WAS there and this simply wasn't reported? There's not much point in continuing the debate when people without all the facts are already implying this was "murder". There's nothing rational about the discussion in this blog. It's all emotional. I feel for both this dog and its owners, but I'm certainly not going to be ridiculous about it... and at the end of the day... if the owners had this dog properly secured as they should have... NONE of this would have happened. There's your story.

55787114
Flag this comment

shaneshane said on November 15, 2010 at 2:37 PM

This discussion has life because this dog was killed/murdered and every eye witness has claimed the dog was scared and defenseless. Because this is about a dog, it in no way diminishes the importance of the story. Children were burned and there are countless other tragedies in the world. But, this never should have happened. So, let the "lugubrious wailing" continue unless senseless violence doesn't merit a discussion.

55785921
Flag this comment

dakotanative said on November 15, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Is fences contain the dog, why was he loose?

55785474
Flag this comment

yessir said on November 15, 2010 at 2:27 PM

I noticed an article about 2 children badly burned... something like 2 comments? And here we have dozens over a dog.... Now I have a dog.. and she's a member of our family... but for heavens sake people... where are the priorities?

55785379
Flag this comment

vffrwm said on November 15, 2010 at 2:02 PM

Lets see...dog is contained in a fenced yard. Both gates are shut and the dog is going nowhere. Then it takes 4 rounds to put it down from 30 to 40 feet away? Tell ya what I'm for sure glad that guy wasn't in my platoon in Viet Nam. I would suggest the biggest threat to the citizens would have been from a bullet glancing off of a rock not that dog. I find it real hard to see how these cowboys cound't have waited for animal control to come and get the dog. I don't know if it's the water, the weather or what but u look at all the shootings that have been going down around here over the last year and ya gotta wonder what in the hell is happening. Dogs locked in back yards and bums with a knife that isn't open shot in the side. Whatever they are feeding these guys they need to change it.

55783974
Flag this comment

think said on November 15, 2010 at 1:35 PM

clear2copy...agreed, but this dog wasn't "coming at" anybody. He was contained in a fenced backyard and was executed by the officer in-question. They could have easily waited for qualified help to arrive, but didn't. Instead, he turned it into shooting practice with somebodys cherished pet. How more 'clear' an explanation do you need?

55782381
Flag this comment

clear2copy said on November 15, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Aren't there more important things in the world to get worked up over? All this lugubrious wailing and drama for a threatening animal.. Uncontrolled Fido comes at me like this.. and the hammer is going down.

55781976
Flag this comment

jiminycricket said on November 15, 2010 at 1:24 PM

Can you imagine the outcry (from these same people, no doubt) if this dog had killed someone because police HADN'T acted? If only the officer had had the same brilliant hindsight his critics do. What a bunch of nincompoops, to hold a rally for the DOG when it's the cops who are out there risking their lives every day to keep their sorry behinds safe. Man, you couldn't pay me enough to be a police officer.

55781851
Flag this comment

smichalik said on November 15, 2010 at 12:28 PM

Des Moines police do not support dogs. A couple of years ago my dogs were off leash and ran to meet my daughter at the car and a man was walking with a golf club and hit on ot them in the head. When i called the police i was told that it was my fault and that the man had every right to hit the dogs, Not only that by was told by the animal control officer that she ENCOURAGES people to carry weapons to protect themselves from dogs. I her mind simple barking in considered threatening she told me. The police in Des Moines do not understand dog behaviours (like barking can mean a variety of things for a dog) nor are they out to "protect" them. Sadly it does not surprise me that this has happened. I hope that they are investigated.

55778473
Flag this comment

think said on November 15, 2010 at 11:45 AM

If anybody in Des Moines were to shoot somebody's dog dead because they said they were so-called 'threatened' by it, just for the dog doing what just about any scared dog would do, large or small, growl and/or show teeth, and when in-fact the dog was in a contained yard and harmless if left alone, and then this pathetic excuse for a respected law-enforcement officer were to show-up, can you imagine the pleasure he'd get from arresting you, probably throwing you to the ground, crushing his knee into your neck, cuff you and read you your rights for FELONY animal cruelty and discharging a weapon. Sounds like one of the many officers hinding a warped-mind behind the power and authority over everyday citizens that comes with 'the BADGE'...and no disrespect for the decent men and women who step into the line-of-duty everyday with honorable intentions in-mind, and heart. This is not about them. This was a cruel act of animal cruelty and should be pursued as such under State Law.

55775749
Flag this comment

newlogin86 said on November 15, 2010 at 11:16 AM

grayrock68505063 , Wow, why did you come on here? Why did you read the story? Just so you could scroll down to the "Leave a comment" and show the world how you could care less about anything non-human? Gotta be a gem of a husband/father/boyfriend/grampaw. "What son? Rover got parvo and died? Your beloved pet since you were a baby?? Oh my god! I am so sorr... Psych! Just kidding! Get over it, you crybaby! Its just an animal! Expendable!!!"

55774061
Flag this comment

tracak said on November 15, 2010 at 11:15 AM

THIS IS BS!!! JUST BECAUSE THE DOG WOUNLDNT LISTEN TO THE OFFICERS DUE TO BEING SCARIED FOR HER LIFE... WE SHOULD CORNER A OFFICER WITHOUT HIS GUN AND SHOT TAISERS AT HIM/HER AND SEE HOW THEY FEEL... I THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED

55774038
Flag this comment

fed_up said on November 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM

That is really sad. Newfies are considered the BEST family dog especially around small children and babies. I will send out a prayer for Rosie, the people who are hurting because of this, the officers involved and yes - I attended ALL of the police slayings and said a prayer for them too.

55771913
Flag this comment

awol50 said on November 15, 2010 at 10:39 AM

This was nothing more than a lost, frightened animal. Animal control could have easily been called to lasoo this dog and take it to a shelter. I live out in rural snohomish county and i see lost dogs all the time. You can tell they are lost and confused just by how they carry themselves. And most of them don't even have a collar with a name tag and phone number to call. As far as the police go. Well what can I say. Just another in a long line of cases of extremely poor behavior and a black eye on the police. Shooting someone half a dozen times in the back while sitting in a totally blocked off vehicle. Having sex on the job. And now this. And what happens? Paid long term vacations for the offenders! Sweet. Who says there is a money problem in government?

55771844
Flag this comment

mfbanky said on November 15, 2010 at 10:03 AM

It's the Owner's fault!!! For all you peole who attended this dog's memorial, have you ever attended a cops funeral or memorial? Take some time and go visit all the kids who lost a parent in last year's cop slayings here in Washington. You can replace a dog, you will never replace a parent.

55770173
Flag this comment

3jrts said on November 15, 2010 at 10:00 AM

The poor dog was probably frightened with all the commotion and should have been left alone in Lora Perry's yard to "cool off". Yep - blame the owners for not taking responsibility to take care of their animals. And grayrock68505063 you are an A-HOLE! You sound worse than "just an aminal"!

55769996
Flag this comment

kameha said on November 15, 2010 at 9:16 AM

If you don't want your dog shot, keep it locked up. But just like all the criminals in this state it's the cops fault that they break the law, act agressive, and don't obey commands and then have to be put down. IT'S THE OWNERS FAULT NOT THE COPS FAULT!!!!

55767774
Flag this comment

grayrock68505063 said on November 15, 2010 at 7:53 AM

Get real. It just an aminal. There today gone tomorrow.

55763254
Flag this comment

yogibear said on November 15, 2010 at 7:26 AM

tr0llbaby1488--Probably not good to threaten to kill a cop.

55761826
Flag this comment

yessir said on November 15, 2010 at 7:20 AM

I've been a dog owner my whole life, and have always treated them as part of the family. I appreciate this dog owner's claim that the dog has not been aggressive, but by the eyewitness's own account the dog appeared "frightened". Described as "frozen" with fear by the witness, who (from everything I've read) didn't approach the dog. Reality check: A frightened animal's behavior can change abruptly. Note the eyewitness was well back inside her house and didn't witness the dog's behavior when the police approached it. Now, perhaps this scenario could have/should have been handled differently by the police... I don't know... I wasn't there at that precise moment (neither were any of you), but I honestly don't believe a group of cops all grinned at each other and decided to "shoot the statuesque dog". People... try thinking rationally rather than emotionally. I'd be heartbroken if that were my dog too... but I wouldn't be blaming cops or anyone else... I'd be blaming myself.

55761539
Flag this comment

eoin1 said on November 15, 2010 at 6:46 AM

Des Moines Police acted in the most outrageous manner with this. Shoot my dog and your badge wont protect you. &^$ cops around here will shot first then think later. The officer should be removed from the force.

55760029
Flag this comment

mrsss said on November 15, 2010 at 6:06 AM

The Seattle police deptartment are trigger happy. How many killings have to happen before something is done. Enough is enough.

55758508
Flag this comment

rnl52 said on November 15, 2010 at 4:04 AM

So sad. No reason for this senseless act. All dogs go to heaven.

55755141
Flag this comment

silverton said on November 15, 2010 at 12:42 AM

Correction: All the cops involved are cowards, nothing but filthy lowlife cowards. Not one officer with a brain took command of the situation and calmed the gun happy, mentally challenged morons down. How on earth can there be cops this stupid?

55752549
Flag this comment

silverton said on November 15, 2010 at 12:37 AM

The officer who killed this dog is a brainless moron and a complete coward to boot. Pathetic human being. The police keep scratching their heads and wonder why so much of the public has lost respect for them. If this is not a felony what is?

55752449
Flag this comment

rottydad said on November 14, 2010 at 11:35 PM

I love the assumption of aggression. In my case I brought mine to the dog park for hours every day and worked hard at exposing her to everything in life so she would never be anxious, therefore never aggresive. I succeeded, she didn't even know how to growl. People called her an ambassador for her breed she wad so happy and incapable of aggression. So please, do not embarrass yourself with what in humans we would call blatant racism. You didn't know my dog, you don't know me, and you don't know anything about this topic. So don't presume and tell me what issues YOU think I have with police, you are not qualified to offer an opinion on the matter. Please be silent and let the grown-ups speak now.

55751544
Flag this comment

straighttalk said on November 14, 2010 at 11:22 PM

ti3ber, it's amazing how many folks on this blog have an opinion and very little if not zero knowledge about the subject. Do your own research on the Newfoundland and you will find them at the top of the list for being the least aggressive breed. Or you can continue posting things that make you appear completely uninformed and ridiculous.

55751314
Flag this comment

rottydad said on November 14, 2010 at 11:17 PM

Thank you straighttalk, that means a lot to me. My wife and I were very bitter, it was so sudden and unexpected in our lives. It got a little play on 13 news but it was the same week cops were shooting people left and right so wasn't a large story. To us it was. In any.case, we decided to release the bitterness and open our home to a dog that was in trouble and now we are doing much better. All you can do is move forward, nothing is going to bring her light back into our lives and and nothing we do will bring the officers to justice. It's a crazy world.

55751224
Flag this comment

tr0llbaby1488 said on November 14, 2010 at 11:03 PM

Here is a headline for ya... Police shot dead over a dog. These f*cks break into my house and try and shoot my dogs there will be hell to pay. I break no laws but shoot at my dog and I will kill every single one of you .I have zero respect for the law these days but at the same time have an infinite respect for my dogs

55750934
Flag this comment

ti3ber said on November 14, 2010 at 11:01 PM

This story was the 1st story aired tonight?? Must have been a slow news night. Watching the "mourners" I couldn't help but to feel pity for them. Dog owners always seem to be in denial about how aggressive their pets are. Rotty, sounds like your issues with police go beyond a mistaken identity.

55750892
Flag this comment

straighttalk said on November 14, 2010 at 10:50 PM

rottydad, you have my sincerest and most heartfelt condolences for your loss. I can't even begin to fathom what you went through and continue to go through. I'm sorry.

55750671
Flag this comment

rottydad said on November 14, 2010 at 10:24 PM

Your dog doesn't have to get loose and you don't have to do anything wrong for the police to execute your dog. A little over 2 months ago King County cops came onto my porch and shot my 18 month old puppy 5 times. Then said oops, mistaken house. Unfortunate tragedy. Dial this number to dispose of the remains. No, you can't sue them, not realistically, since all they have to say is they were in fear. All you can do is look at your bullet riddled family member and try to control your urge for vengeance. To the police, dogs are the last moving target they can shoot without any fear of legal repercussions.

55750069
Flag this comment

straighttalk said on November 14, 2010 at 10:14 PM

Being named after a "Bewitched" character? Ridiculous and strangely appropriate. Why must people who were not involved and haven't the first idea of why the memorial was held continue to hate for no reason? What's wrong with you people, did the pork chop around the neck not work to get the dog to play with you when you were kids?

55749749
Flag this comment

tabithastevens said on November 14, 2010 at 9:38 PM

A memorial for a dog? Ridiculous.

55748841
Flag this comment

coyotebmw said on November 14, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Anniecargirl, Yes I have had a lot of "hands on" experience with dogs. And, have more each day. My dogs over the years have been well trained animals that looked to me to be their Alphas. I have built up trust with each and everyone of them. That doesn't mean they didn't "Houdini" on me occasionally, but I understood why they did what they did and was prepared for it. That this dog "escaped" is something that her owner must figure out the why. That the police shot her is the real issue. They are the ones who need some training. I figure they threaten her, whether they realized it or not, and they are ultimately responsible. Under State Law they can be held responsible for property damage (see Title 16 RCW), in this case RCW 16.08.060 might apply, as the officer may have "provocation of the attack by the injured person" in which case it would be "complete defense to an action for damages".

55748254
Flag this comment

dakotanative said on November 14, 2010 at 8:41 PM

Keep it locked up and there won't be a problem.

55746953
Flag this comment

straighttalk said on November 14, 2010 at 8:07 PM

Now having a dog qualifies you to offer opinions on a breed you know nothing about? LMAO the system has certainly failed you, the public school system that is.

55745686
Flag this comment

slappywag said on November 14, 2010 at 8:01 PM

chuck, don't waste your breath on these idiots. I own a happy, healthy dog, and this "story" was just a waste of space. If they paid as much attention to politics and how they have been screwed by the system they might have a prayer.

55745483
Flag this comment

straighttalk said on November 14, 2010 at 8:01 PM

chuckstr76, just as I thought, another person who wants to talk the talk, but doesn't walk the walk. If you want the homeless to get more attention organize something the way these folks did and quit whining about it on a blog.

55745468
Flag this comment

chuckstr76 said on November 14, 2010 at 7:54 PM

straighttalk thank you for helping the homeless, like I said, too bad the homeless dont get this much attention..

55745288
Flag this comment

anniecargirl said on November 14, 2010 at 7:47 PM

coyote, if you know so much about animals, and dogs in particular, then why on earth would you suggest that Rosie's owners acted negligently? You should know, if you know dogs so well (By the way, what type of actual, hands on work have you done with real, live dogs, I'm just wondering? Book learning and real-life learning can be two entirely different things.), that they sometimes get loose, regardless of how well you think your fence and gates are secured. Dogs can be Houdinis, I've seen them get through openings that anyone who was there would have sworn were far too small for them to fit their heads, much less their entire bodies, through. I've known dogs who can easily jump a 6-foot fence, climb a chain-link fence, I've even seen a video of a beagle who got through an enclosure WITH A ROOF by shimmying up the corner using both sides of his enclosure. I bet his owners had no idea, at least the first time, how the hell he got out when they got home to find him loose.

55745053
Flag this comment

jppatches said on November 14, 2010 at 7:28 PM

can these does even bare their teeth? are you sure? I've never seen it.

55744457
Flag this comment

straighttalk said on November 14, 2010 at 7:25 PM

On the homeless: I spend every Saturday afternoon, and have done so for the past six years, feeding the homeless in my community. How about you, chuckstr76?

55744369
Flag this comment

chuckstr76 said on November 14, 2010 at 7:17 PM

Too bad you people dont give this much attention to our homeless...kinda ironic that a dog gets more attention than they do... such a pitty...

55744119
Flag this comment

vileone said on November 14, 2010 at 6:52 PM

Well another innocent dog killed by police,it is not the 1st and will not be the last,we have got to STOP this and no matter what the breed is we need to stand together to make sure this does not happen again,do your youtube search you will find so many videos of pets being murdered,and to the person with the tax payers comment,i hope you don't own a pet,i truly hope not,you make me sick and i hope are tax $ do find the truth to what happened and this officer is pulled of the force,cause if he/she kills an innocent animal that easily you can bet they will do the same with an innocent human,this officer probably hates dogs and is fearful of them which in my mind tells me maybe this person should not be in this line of work

55743346
Flag this comment

joanie53 said on November 14, 2010 at 6:50 PM

As an owner of 2 Newfoundlands I can't imagine how frightened Rosie must have been! Of course anyone with any sense would know that any dog who unfortunately has gotten out of their yard and wandering in traffic would be scared to death, how unfortunate that the policeman that shot Rosie didn't have any common sense!!!! Why on earth would he have resorted to such measures????? Newfies are the most gentle and kindest of dogs--it just breaks my heart to hear of such a senselss act.

55743253
Flag this comment

coyotebmw said on November 14, 2010 at 6:30 PM

Anniecargirl, and I have a graduate degree in Animal Behavior, with my thesis work in dog and coyote behavior. My work was on aggression in canids, Dogs and Coyotes. I looked specifically at breed differences. This is why I think somebody over reacted, or more than likely, the police threatened the dog to get a "growl" out of it.

55742638
Flag this comment

chsail said on November 14, 2010 at 5:21 PM

To cowenpupp, thanks to you and the Saint community that showed their support today. Join us on the FB page Justice for Rosie.

55740593
Flag this comment

otter814u said on November 14, 2010 at 5:21 PM

Absolutely uncalled for. Once again the police demonstrate their inept ability to do anything but pull the trigger. There are some officers out there who preform their jobs with true professionalism and are worthy of respect, unfortunately these few do not seem to be them.

55740578
Flag this comment

wenasdusty said on November 14, 2010 at 5:11 PM

to someone who loves thier pet it's the same as muder. it seems to be the polic rule of thumb to shot family pets at will

55740254
Flag this comment

straighttalk said on November 14, 2010 at 5:09 PM

Yogibear, all are taxpayers. Your vote only counts as one. Enjoy your tea.

55740191
Flag this comment

goldiemae said on November 14, 2010 at 5:07 PM

oregon native and yogi- stupid comments. The dog was contained in a yard with the gate closed at the time these jokers killed her. I grew up in Des Moines, their police department was incompetent then, I see nothing has changed in 25 years.

55740164
Flag this comment

cowenpuppy said on November 14, 2010 at 5:04 PM

Ch Vicdory's Indiana Bones and Ken Cowen, the first Saint Bernard on the right and his owner in red, want to express our sincere sympathy for the family of Rosie and all who knew her. We are very sorry for your loss. We also hope that the review board goes a long way to investigate this incident. We hold our Police to very high standards. They HAVE to be superior to average citizens in snap judgement and the use of force required of them. This incident was WRONG! Very wrong. If a common citizen had gone into someone's private yard after a lose dog and shot it, there would be a psycological profile ordered for that individual as a minimum. Plus other charges. Once the dog was cornered in the bushes, the Officers should have waited for Animal Control to take over, as they are trained and equipped to handle such cases. Let's hear ALL the details around this. What did the Officer say, before, during and after!

55740061
Flag this comment

straighttalk said on November 14, 2010 at 5:03 PM

To all those who are absolutely convinced the polite were 'righteous' in their actions: A. Read the full police report. It is loaded with omissions and inaccuracies. B. Read or watch the eyewitness accounts that clearly state the dog was not aggressive and was shot while contained in a closed environment. C. Do some research of your own on the Newfoundland breed. I challenge you to find a dog an unlawful attack committed by a Newfoundland, you won't find one. D. Dogs sometimes get loose, it's a fact of life. They shouldn't have to pay with their life for not knowing any better. Seeing that the other dog that was owned by the family was still in the yard I have to wonder if 'someone' opened the gate. E. Any danger caused by this dog was worsened when the police tased her twice and sent her running half a mile down the road. F. Do some other research on your beloved Des Moines police department. There is no animal control in the area, and the officers have no animal control training.

55740008
Flag this comment

yogibear said on November 14, 2010 at 4:57 PM

I hope tax payer money isn't spent on an investigation. If the dog lovers want one, they can put up the money. I, as a taxpayer think there is much more important things to spend the money on.

55739767
Flag this comment

chsail said on November 14, 2010 at 4:32 PM

The newfoundland community and the Saint community are pictured in this photo. The president of the Newfoundland Club of America has written the "powers that be" asking for a full investigation. I understand the above account doesn't give all the details but there are more details to this story. She was hiding in some bushes. Some kind of berry bushes and as someone has pointed out on our newf discussion list those attach to a coat of fur and don't let go easily. If someone had tasered me I would have probably shown my teeth and growled also. BTW, tasering of animals is NOT recommended as they react differently than humans. She was only 115-120lb female, not the 200 lb the officers stated in their report . She was no bigger than a really large lab, german shepard dog or any other large breed. The difference here is she was contained, not being aggressive and the police entered the closed gated yard and shot her not once but 4 times.

55739106
Flag this comment

anniecargirl said on November 14, 2010 at 4:27 PM

coyotebmw, I have worked with dogs for 20 years, I'm only 5'2" and weigh about 120 lbs. I have had to handle MANY dogs who were aggressive, who outweighed me, who were stronger than I am...and yet, I never once had to kill any of them to handle them. As I said in a prior post, dogs sometimes get out, it happens, the owners did not deliberately allow their dog to run free, that does not mean it should be open season for law enforcement, or anyone, to go around shooting a loose dog. And, once again, THIS DOG HAD BEEN CONTAINED in a back yard of a lady who has stated she would've been fine letting Rosie stay there until she could be safely rounded up. Rosie posed NO DANGER to anyone when she was shot. As for her supposedly "showing her teeth" to officers BEFORE SHE WAS BEHIND A CLOSED GATE, any frightened dog may "show teeth" to tell something she perceives of as a danger to back off. There were no reports that she ever lunged, snapped at, or tried to actually bite anyone.

55738973
Flag this comment

alounsbury said on November 14, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Who hasn't had a dog get out folks???? And is it to be expected your dog will be picked off, in some bushes, in someones enclosed yard who wasn't afraid of the dog? A dog that never bit or growled but was hiding? People, the license issue has come up. But, understand, a license won't necessarily save your dog. If these folks were called, who still cannot figure out how she got out, and possibly had their phones off (we are all told at certain times to turn your ringers off or turn them off while flying) it would not have saved this girl. Des Moines animal control, who is under the police department. They work 8-5. After hours, the police are left to handle the situation. I ask you: would you want THESE GUYS looking for your dog? The police report they got was out of concern for a dog running in the street. NO ONE was scared of her and eye witnesses said she looked scared. All you nannies who like to point the finger, should be holding the Des Moines Police Dept accountable.

55738924
Flag this comment

anniecargirl said on November 14, 2010 at 4:22 PM

We have a facebook page dedicated to shedding light on the murders of these dogs and to working towards making sure these type of tragedies stop occuring. We welcome anyone who is concerned with this type of thing happening over and over again to join us. You can find our page on facebook by doing a search for: Mr. Policeman, Don't Shoot My Dog

55738857
Flag this comment

alounsbury said on November 14, 2010 at 4:19 PM

Link to news reports and the entire police report. Careful. It's hard to read.

55738776
Flag this comment

coyotebmw said on November 14, 2010 at 4:16 PM

'opinioncounts" you might read the article before you start criticizing the police. It was the "Des Moines police", not Seattle. Your response shows a prejudice against the Seattle Police. From what I have read there seems to be multiple people in the wrong on this one. First, the owner should have better contained the dog. Second, the police need to be given some training on handling aggressive dogs. New Newfoundland's are not normally aggressive animals, but this one appears to have been threaten by the police and reacted in defense. That the officer or officers felt the need to shoot the animal indicates that they were no longer in control of the situation. Chsail's account appears to back up this conclusion.

55738689
Flag this comment

alounsbury said on November 14, 2010 at 4:16 PM

If you read the full police report the dog never growled. She was tasered a few times and ran from them. Her crime? She approached them and, they could see her teeth. 4 eyewitnesses who stand behind the fact that this was a tragedy. She was shot while cowering in bushes. Never bit or growled. Very, very sad. Two witnesses were children.

55738669
Flag this comment

anniecargirl said on November 14, 2010 at 4:13 PM

To all you folks who are commenting that you seem to think it was perfectly okay to this dog who was supposedly posing a "danger" to either the public or the officers who shot her, be sure to know your facts first. This dog had been tazed at least once IN HER OWN DRIVEWAY, and possibly tazed again, before running through an open gate into a neighbor's back yard, where the gate was then closed. She was SAFELY CONTAINED in a yard where the lady who owned the property said she was HIDING IN THE BUSHES, appeared FRIGHTENED, not aggressive, and was posing absolutely NO THREAT to anyone or anything. FOUR police officers, one of whom carried a RIFLE, entered the yard through a CLOSED GATE, never once telling the lady whose yard it was that they were planning on shooting at the dog, while her own small dog was sniffing around the yard and her children and she were at home, never once telling her she should go inside and keep her kids and dog safe while they MURDERED this poor, lost dog

55738616
Flag this comment

chuckstr76 said on November 14, 2010 at 4:10 PM

I agree with most of the comments, the owner should be held responsable, for those that want to tazer, club or rope the dog, you should first look at his size, abour 130-150 pounds, good luck with that...

55738504
Flag this comment

chsail said on November 14, 2010 at 3:59 PM

I understand that some may think this was justified. But if you read all the info that has been posted it may change your mind just a bit. This dog escaped from her yard, they don't know how as their Saint was still contained. The police tasered her on her property, chased her and tried to use a catch pole. She ran into the yard she was hiding in, was contained with the gate closed. 4 police officers entered the yard, told the owner to go inside and proceeded to shoot her 4 times. One had a sniper rifle. I understand underfunding and all the other things that have been mentioned, but she was microchipped even though her collar was missing. She was contained and from the witness account was not being aggressive. The owner of the yard could not keep her dog inside and it could have been caught in the crossfire and her children were inside and heard the shots. After this was over the police officers offered free ice cream coupons to the owners fo the yard she ran into.

55738166
Flag this comment

yogibear said on November 14, 2010 at 3:58 PM

oregonn8tive ---Very good comment!!

55738144
Flag this comment

oregonn8tive said on November 14, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Lets see. Dog at large should be one citation. Currant tags? Currant rabies certificate? First offense for the dogs owner? Creating a traffic hazard as well. What would happen if this dog darted out into traffic, an approaching car swerves to dodge the dog and rams another car - truck - roadside object - pedestrian? who's side would you be on then? My money is you would be voting for the driver, not the dog or dog owner. Was the cop supposed to get bit first before trying to clear traffic lanes? I don't blame the dog as much as the owner who should be billed for other cops having to come to the scene, any clean up, any investigation cost. Control the dog or pay the price. In this case, the dog paid the price with its life. Owners fault, not the cops.

55736258
Flag this comment

skippypotpiebaby said on November 14, 2010 at 2:34 PM

More cars kill dogs then cops

55735714
Flag this comment

glock2117 said on November 14, 2010 at 2:28 PM

this is the same des moines police department that runs around untrained with fully automatic silenced m4s shooting peoples dogs silently as they were chasing a suspect through a neighborhood and this officers excuse was the dog lunged at me well no kidding you jumped into his backyard in the dark and when asked why do you need fully automatic silenced M4s he says well homeland security was offering them out so why not and since there silenced the full auto doesnt scare the public. way to go des moines

55735559
Flag this comment

braunhaus7 said on November 14, 2010 at 2:06 PM

I find the outrage of the dog shooting ridiculous considering that ANY dog, no matter the breed, can be agressive and the fact that this DOG was posing a danger to HUMAN life and limb wandering out in traffic makes the law enforcement officer's actions appropriate. Animal control agencies are grossly unfunded and in the time it would take for them to arrive, HUMAN lives were at risk. A stun gun could have killed the dog as well... No matter how much we love and anthropomorphize our pets, a HUMAN life is far more valuable than a dog. If a human was killed or critically injured while police were waiting for Animal Control agents, or using clumsy slow stun guns, I am sure people would be outraged that the police did not act in the most expedient, effective, and correct way they in this circumstance.

55734894
Flag this comment

matthias said on November 14, 2010 at 1:59 PM

Do cop cars still say "to protect and serve" on the side of the cars? I hope they put the same angle on this that they do when a police dog is injured or killed by someone. If a police dogs life is equal to a police officers life, a dog who was shot by a cop should be equal to a human shot by a cop.

55734714
Flag this comment

biohazard1 said on November 14, 2010 at 1:31 PM

come on now.. a Newfoundland is about as harmful as a Golden Retriver... our police will use ANYTHING as an excuse to use thier sidearm..on people or animals.. my condolences to the family for loosing a member of the family. if i were them i would sue... whats new ? shooting a parakeet or gerbil for being a "menace to the safety of people ? "

55733969
Flag this comment

opinioncounts said on November 14, 2010 at 1:13 PM

Typical Seattle Police .... " under trained " very unfortunate for Rosie, and all of the needless human deaths as well. I don't live in Seattle and dont ever care too.

55733483
Flag this comment

dirtdigger said on November 14, 2010 at 12:54 PM

What about not approaching the dog and letting animal control do there job? Taser??? Mace??? Even a club??? Had time to grab the gun...but not one of the other options....WOW...agreed.

55733032
Flag this comment

clear2copy said on November 14, 2010 at 12:43 PM

wow...just wow.

55732599
Flag this comment

gladimoved said on November 14, 2010 at 12:37 PM

It's difficult to know if a dog will attack or not. This was not a happy ending for anyone. The officer probably had a very short time to react, but have to say growling may not have been enough to merit shooting the dog. Aggressivness can happen in an instant. I suppose the department or the officer could purchase the owner another dog. That is about the only solutiion at this point. The owner will probably sue for 20 million and win! Any way, SUPPORT OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN BLUE!

55732408
Flag this comment