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NTSB: Drivers should be prohibited from all wireless phone use

by Associated Press and KING 5 News

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Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:29 AM

Updated Tuesday, Dec 13 at 6:41 PM

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Texting, emailing or using a cellphone while driving is simply too dangerous to be allowed anywhere, federal safety investigators declared Tuesday, recommending that all states impose a total ban except for emergencies.

Inspired by recent deadly crashes -- including one in which a teen-ager sent or received 11 text messages in 11 minutes before an accident -- the recommendation would apply even to hands-free devices, a much stricter rule than any current state law.

Washington state has laws against texting while driving and against driving while using a cell phone without a hands-free device.

The unanimous recommendation by the five-member National Transportation Safety Board would make an exception for devices deemed to aid driver safety such as GPS navigation systems.

Board chairman Deborah Hersman acknowledged the recommendation would be unpopular with many people and that complying would involve what has become ingrained behavior for many Americans.

While the NTSB doesn't have the power to impose restrictions, its recommendations carry significant weight with federal regulators and congressional and state lawmakers. Another recommendation issued Tuesday urges states to aggressively enforce current bans on text messaging and the use of cellphones and other portable electronic devices while driving.

"We're not here to win a popularity contest," she said. "No email, no text, no update, no call is worth a human life."

Currently, 35 states ban texting while driving and some bar cellphone use or emailing with hand-held devices. But enforcement is generally not a high priority, and no states ban the use of hands-free devices.

The immediate impetus for the recommendation of state bans was a deadly highway pileup near Gray Summit, Mo., last year in which a 19-year-old pickup driver sent and received a flurry of texts just before the accident.

NTSB investigators said they are seeing increasing texting, cell phone calls and other distracting behavior by drivers in accidents involving all kinds of transportation. It has become routine to immediately request the preservation of cellphone and texting records when an investigation is begun.

In the past few years the board has investigated a train collision in which the engineer was texting that killed 25 people in Chatsworth, Calif.; a fatal accident on the Delaware River near Philadelphia in which a tugboat pilot was talking on his cellphone and using a laptop computer and a Northwest Airlines flight that sped more than 100 miles past its destination because both pilots were working on their laptops.

Last year, a driver was dialing his cellphone when his truck crossed a highway median near Munford, Ind., and collided with a 15-passenger van. Eleven people were killed.

The board said the initial collision in the Missouri accident was caused by the inattention of the pickup driver who was texting a friend about events of the previous night. The pickup, traveling at 55 mph, hit the back of a tractor truck that had slowed for highway construction. The pickup was rear-ended by a school bus that overrode the smaller vehicle. A second school bus rammed into the back of the first bus.

The pickup driver and a 15-year-old student on one of the buses were killed. Thirty-eight other people were injured. About 50 students, mostly members of a high school band from St. James, Mo., were on the buses heading to the Six Flags St. Louis amusement park.

Missouri had a law banning drivers under 21 years old from texting while driving at the time of the crash, but wasn't aggressively enforcing the ban, board member Robert Sumwalt said.

"Without the enforcement, the laws don't mean a whole lot," he said.

Today, the Washington State Patrol declined to comment on a proposed all-out ban, but the agency did say the biggest killers on the road in our state are DUI's, speeding, and lack of seat-belt use, not cell  phones.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reported earlier this year that pilot projects in Syracuse, N.Y., and Hartford, Conn., produced significant reductions in distracted driving by combining stepped-up ticketing with high-profile public education campaigns.

Before and after each enforcement wave, NHTSA researchers observed cellphone use by drivers and conducted surveys at drivers' license offices in the two cities. They found that in Syracuse, hand-held cellphone use and texting declined by a third. In Hartford, there was a 57 percent drop in hand-held phone use, and texting behind the wheel dropped by nearly three-quarters.

However, that was with blanket enforcement by police.

The board's decision to include hands-free cell phone use in its recommendation is likely to prove especially controversial. No states currently ban hand-free use although many studies show that it is often as unsafe as hand-held phone use because drivers' minds are on their conversations rather than what's happening on the road.

Hersman pointed to an Alexandria, Va., accident the board investigated in which a bus driver talking on a hands-free phone ran into a bridge despite his being familiar with the route and the presence of warning signs that the arch was too low for his bus to clear. The roof of the bus was sheared off.

The board has previously recommended bans on texting and cellphone use by commercial truck and bus drivers and beginning drivers, but it has stopped short of calling for a ban on the use of the devices by adults behind the wheel of passenger cars.

The problem of texting while driving is getting worse despite a rush by states to ban the practice, Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said last week. In November, Pennsylvania became the 35th state to forbid texting while driving.

About two out of 10 American drivers overall -- and half of drivers between 21 and 24 -- say they've thumbed messages or emailed from the driver's seat, according to a survey of more than 6,000 drivers by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

However, the survey found that many drivers don't think it's dangerous when they do it -- only when others do.

At any given moment last year on America's streets and highways, nearly one in every 100 car drivers was texting, emailing, surfing the Web or otherwise using a handheld electronic device, the safety administration said. Those activities were up 50 percent over the previous year.

Driver distraction wasn't the only significant safety problem uncovered by NTSB's investigation of the Missouri accident. Investigators said they believe the pickup driver was suffering from fatigue that may have eroded his judgment. He had an average of about five and a half hours of sleep a night in the days leading up to the accident and had had fewer than five hours of sleep the night before the accident, they said.

The pickup driver had no history of accidents or traffic violations, investigators said.

Investigators also found significant problems with the brakes of both school buses involved in the accident. A third school bus sent to a hospital after the accident to pick up students crashed in the hospital parking lot when that bus' brakes failed.

However, the brake problems didn't cause or contribute to the severity of the accident, investigators said.

Another issue involved the difficulty passengers had getting out of the first school bus after the accident. Its doors were unusable and passengers had to exit through an emergency window, but the raised latch on the window kept catching on clothing as students tried to escape, investigators said. Escape was further slowed because the window design required one person to hold the window up in order for a second person to crawl through, they said.

It was critical for passengers to leave as quickly as possible because a large amount of fuel underneath the bus was a serious fire hazard, investigators said.

"It could have been a much worse situation if there was a fire," Donald Karol, the NTSB's highway safety director, said.

 

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ponderer said on December 14, 2011 at 2:46 PM

I'm fine with banning the use of texting or having the cellphone held up to your ear while driving. I have a bluetooth speaker/microphone that attaches to my visor that works great for calling or receiving calls (the voice command system on my droid works quite well and if I want to send a text it will do so using the voice commands). My biggest concern is that the NTSB is may over reach and ban not only the use of cellphones but the use of radios as well; I'm an amateur radio operator and do use my radio when I am mobile (which is holding the microphone and keying it to talk; but it is also possible for me to wear an earphone over one ear...something done when riding a motorcycle). I use my radio equipment to provide support for marathons, walk-a-thons and bike-a-thons; if I'm working as a support vehicle or transportation I have to be able to use the radio to either answer calls or relay a call for another support person.

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realitychk said on December 14, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Anyone who argues that people cannot talk on a blue tooth and safely drive must agree then that all conversations in vehicles must be banned. Begin sarcasm: Future legislation might read, "Upon entry into a vehicle, cell phones must be turned off and the official government gag must be applied to all passengers in a vehicle or risk ticketing." The public spin supported by fearful people, "Conversation is dangerous. We can't drive and do anything else because people can't multitask". America soon applies this to any form of conveyance, including walking because pedestrians walk out in front of cars or bicycles because they are distracted by conversation. The new government reasoning, "A population that converses is unsafe therefore the NTSB and the DHS (Dept Homeland Security) at the suggestion of the Office of Conversation Compliance agree that conversation should be banned to keep people from distraction." Really folks, where is the line?

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bluezimbabwecat said on December 14, 2011 at 8:22 AM

Pretty obvious really ? It's either 'all or nothing' on this rule. You either say to the public " you can use your phone any time, all the time" (which is what people do now anyway) or you say " it is illegal, you are not allowed to do it". There is NO in between like saying that you can use your phone at certain times or certain places, why?, because peoples lives are at stake and others seem not to care. People think that it is their God given right to live on the phone in the car with complete disregard for others safety! which is the best definition of 'selfish' that i have ever come across. I'll have to stop now as i have my knee on the steering wheel to steer with, a coffee in one hand, a cigarette in the other and there's a call coming in on my cell, gotta free up at least one hand right? Oops, forgot to mention my concentration on the road is last on the list. sent from my hands on brain off blackberry

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dakotanative said on December 14, 2011 at 8:00 AM

Phones are just easy targets. If you see someone with a phone to their ear, you can bet you will see something stupid within minutes. Maybe it would have happened anyway.

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excoastie said on December 14, 2011 at 6:07 AM

Ma Bell bringing back the pay phone on every corner.

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Wang_Chungca7 said on December 14, 2011 at 12:55 AM

How about not letting cops have pens or pencils in cop cars - see the Seattle cruiser up the telephone today? Some excuse - cop was probably sexting his dish on the side !!!

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Sir_Real said on December 13, 2011 at 11:45 PM

For living in America, land of the supposed free; we sure do spend a lot of time trying to figure our how to pass laws to turn our government into China..

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comiccon2010 said on December 13, 2011 at 10:36 PM

ntsb should worry about teaching people how to drive before they get a license but the states give them to anyone. do something about thte drunk drivers they cause 90% of the accidents

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zjeep92 said on December 13, 2011 at 10:31 PM

i dont think its going to solve anything if they make that law. i or nobody i know has ever been ticketed for using a phone while driving since the law has been passed. Like others have said, if your going to ban cell phones completely, then why not ban eating while driving or listening to music while driving. i know i a guy that blew right though a red light and t boned a car going 50 because he was listening to his new sound system. i am personally guilty of running a red light because i was talking to my friend and not paying attention. the only way to make a distraction free driving environment would to make so that you had to have both hands on the wheel, no passegers in the car, no eating while driving, and no radios in the car and im pretty sure a majority of citizens would be outraged if they tried that. bottom line quote^ "Without the enforcement, the laws don't mean a whole lot"

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wordsofwisedom said on December 13, 2011 at 9:24 PM

Just a thought,. if we ban talking on your cell phone while driving, then we should also ban people from smoking, How many accidents in the last 50 years were caused because someone was lighting up. or how about the stop at mcdonalds and starbucks, lets not eat and drive , Put that candybar down! lets get real folks, car makers can include phone capabilities in cars. so no holding the phone. just talk and car will dial for you,

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intrepid1 said on December 13, 2011 at 9:09 PM

Actually, car radio's are problems too in causing driver distraction. They should be banned, too....

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intrepid1 said on December 13, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Hands free calling that supports voice dialing should be allowed. Texting, email or anything else that takes your eyes off the road or hands off the wheel are the problem. Common sense should dictate that you don't, but then, some people lack common sense. As to young driver behavior... when I was in High School, driver's education was an elective that pretty much every took. Unfortunately, those programs were defunded over time since. Accident rates among young drivers rose after, and no one "got it". You want young drivers to be more sensible when driving? Mandatory driver's education done through public schools that have a standard curriculum.

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dakotanative said on December 13, 2011 at 7:39 PM

Need to prevent the likes of the city tow companies from using phone too. You can't talk, drive and drink your beer all at the same time. Ya, I see one of their guys throw an empty at a can that turned out to have a cover, so the beer rolled across the parking lot.

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realitychk said on December 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM

@freemont, it gets down to personal responsibility then. If I'm trying to do something that requires additional concentration/attention, I have no problem telling the person on the phone to "hold on" or I'll call you back. Same with my significant other. We both "get it". I must not have been around the same passengers as you. I've been in too many cars with people who unfortunately are not aware enough to stop talking when the driver is merging or driving in rush hour. In a perfect world the passenger would be quiet but reality is anything but that. I've also told passengers to "hold that thought"... And then what about parents with children? Children sure don't recognize traffic as a risk. I don't believe that one size fits all legislation is a solution to poor driving skills and what is essentially an inability to prioritize important tasks over others. You hit it tho...we don't multi-task at all. Sometimes I'm amazed at the make-up applying, reading "drivers".

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thinksmart said on December 13, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Government run amok.......

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ldgregg said on December 13, 2011 at 6:24 PM

ANY distracted driving should be discouraged - - what about drivers who are putting on makeup, eating a cheeseburger, drinking coffee, talking with passengers, dealing with screaming kids in the back seat, etc. It's not just mobile phone use. If you need to deal with something else and cannot give full attention to driving - PULL OVER!

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dakotanative said on December 13, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Studies have shown that people are less likely to be involved in an accident if a phone is being used in the car. It doesn't distinguish between who is using the phone though.

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freemonttroll said on December 13, 2011 at 5:24 PM

realitychk - the only difference is that the passenger can see what is going on. For example: If you're about to merge on to the freeway, your passenger will most likely hold their thought until the merger is complete. However, when on the phone, the person on the other line doesn't usually offer the same courtesy. It's been proven that we are not really capable of 'multi-tasking' so engaging in conversation (regardless of bluetooth or not) and concentrating on driving is impossible. Try it yourself, try engaging in a conversation with your significant other while writing an email to your friend, you will either space out on what's being said, or you will end up typing what is said to you...

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nickc said on December 13, 2011 at 5:22 PM

for those of you who voted for "Should be drivers choice" you don't have the right to use your car to kill or injur someone and that is what you are likly to do if you if you use your phone or any other device while driviing!. It could be your kid, your mom, your dad, exetera. Dont' be a dumass drive safe and don't use your phone!

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wapensfan76 said on December 13, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Hey, we'll need more state troopers and police to enforce the stricter laws! Hooray for job creation!

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elijt said on December 13, 2011 at 4:40 PM

@realitychk- I am with you 100%. In fact, I find a conversation on my bluetooth less distracting because I am not turning in my seat to look at my passenger! I also find it interesting that all the examples above of this dangerous behavior have NOTHING to do with using a bluetooth and everything to do with using a handheld device. I agree with the ban on texting, it is incredibly distracting but talking using a headset? At some point some bureaucrat is going to decide that operating a motor vehicle is too unsafe and should be banned...

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realitychk said on December 13, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Can anyone explain the difference between talking on the phone on a blue tooth and talking with the passengers in the car? Talking to passengers is probably MORE distracting because so many people seem to find it necessary to look at their passengers rather than the road. I don't see any difference between the two types of conversation and distraction while driving. I've seen more people NOT paying attention while talking to passengers than a driver on a blue tooth. Distracting conversation is distracting conversation. Should we ban all vehicle conversations due to driver distraction following the line of thought that distractions should be banned? If not, why not? Conversation causes distracted driving, right? This would be funny if people weren't serious. Sometimes you just gotta accept that many people just are bad drivers. Phone or not. Best thing to do is to give a real driver skill test and repeat every few years.

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cpenrico24274615 said on December 13, 2011 at 4:16 PM

Can't protect people from stupid.

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overlake said on December 13, 2011 at 3:53 PM

There is absolutely no phone call that is so important you cannot either return it when you arrive where your going or stop somewhere when it is safe to do so. I'm tired of hearing people defend talking on the phone while driving. You think you can do it just fine until you cause and accident and or kill someone. To be perfectly honest a vast majority of the people on the road are bad drivers to begin with and those are probably the people that support talking on the phone while driving.

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freemonttroll said on December 13, 2011 at 3:38 PM

Take cell phone usage while driving compared to it's cousin, Drunk Driving: DUI laws were first put in place in 1910 (NY) (BTW, back the, the acceptable BAC was .15%) - 111 years later, Drunk Driving is responsible for nearly 40% of all car accidents. 4 generations later and people still haven't learned - As long as there is alcohol and cars, there will be drunk drivers and as long as there are cell phones and cars, there will always be text drivers...

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dartqueen said on December 13, 2011 at 3:31 PM

Almost everyday during my commute, I am almost rearended because someone is texting while driving.....look down, look up, look down.....OMG! This lady in a minivan was on the viaduct yesterday (you know who you are) having a screaming match on her phone! She was so upset and yelling, she could not stay in her lane and almost rearended me a few times. PAY ATTENTION! that goes for you people with your morning coffee and donuts while reading the paper.....while driving down the freeway!

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cedardog said on December 13, 2011 at 3:22 PM

If you read about the missouri crash both buses that were involved had brakes that failed that has nothing to do with a cell phone . The pickup driver was at fault for rear ending the truck but the buses should have been cited with brake issues and following too close They were at fault for rear ending the pickup

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applmagotqrntine said on December 13, 2011 at 3:14 PM

Good luck with that!

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stonetrails said on December 13, 2011 at 3:12 PM

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I suppose no sex while driving is going to be next. . .

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rainydave said on December 13, 2011 at 3:04 PM

Unfortunately, you can't legislate common sense. There are distracted driving laws that should cover this behavior already. But they aren't enforced.

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logic14 said on December 13, 2011 at 3:04 PM

Sir Real actually captures the thoughts of most Americans. They only care about themselves until tragedy strikes their world then everyone should pay attention to them. No one cares about drunks killing people even when they themselves are arrested. People always blame everyone else or anything else but themselves. Most adults take less responsibility than children.

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terpmom said on December 13, 2011 at 2:53 PM

@cedardog: ...exactly... see my comment below :-)

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cedardog said on December 13, 2011 at 2:48 PM

What about eating fast food , doing your make up ,shaving ,I could go on and on. in fact I was rear ended by someone eating mc donalds . This needs to be fair across the board if you are going to ban one you need to ban it all

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omgrofl said on December 13, 2011 at 2:27 PM

I love it. The people who complain the most about a ban on talking on the phone while driving are probably the ones in front of you who have the phone up to their ear making a left turn from the center lane (with our without a turn signal) or are sitting at a green light holding up traffic or are running down people in crosswalks who happen to be in the blindspot created by their hand holding the phone up to their ear or, well......you get the point. We see it EVERY DAY!!! Hands free talking is acceptable, but you have to admit, whether you're talking on the phone or talking into a speaker, you're still distracted. The problem is, too many people have turned their noses up at the new laws alread in place. Stiffer laws might get them to finally comply. Just my two cents.

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Sir_Real said on December 13, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Yeah, I don't care about that 19 year old from Missouri, this NTSB is bs!

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thecrankster said on December 13, 2011 at 2:00 PM

I don't know if it should be banned or not, but I am getting tired of all these Iphone dorks looking down at their phone instead of paying attention to the road.

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realitychk said on December 13, 2011 at 1:59 PM

@stonetrails...hmmmmm. I can get on board with that one too LOL.

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realitychk said on December 13, 2011 at 1:58 PM

I agree with an earlier comment. If one is not capable of talking on the phone then having conversations with passengers should be banned as well. Texting is one thing, surfing the web...but really, talking? Banning talking while driving is a illogical unless it's applied to all situations. I've seen people having conversations with passengers, taking their eyes off the road, blabbing away like they are not driving at all. Those people scare me. Not the person on the bluetooth. The government is wrong on this one. No texting, no web surfing I can get on board with but what is the limit of government control? What about looking at maps or using GPS on the phone? (or any other device). People (a very few) still look at maps and/or read directions when going places. Is that banned as well? There has to be a limit on government's attempt to control everything. Are people really that scared of life that they think every contingency, every possibility needs to be controlled by government?

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vanderleun said on December 13, 2011 at 1:56 PM

On this and on so much else people have simply got to get to the idea that the government has got to just butt out and stay out.

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terpmom said on December 13, 2011 at 1:53 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again... my KIDS are more of distraction to me in the car than my phone is... Are they going to ban children?? I can shut my phone off. I've tried my kids, but I can't find their power button...

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puyallup said on December 13, 2011 at 1:39 PM

About 50,000 people a year died every year in cars--before there were any cell phones. When radios were first installed in autos, it was felt that tuning the radio was too dangerous. Also, last I heard, it was against the law to rob banks--that sure put an end to that.

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1970Camaro said on December 13, 2011 at 1:23 PM

People will not stop using cell phones, especially if the link is built into their car. Reading (texting) requires removing your eyes from the road, talking doesn't. I had a car phone well before people had handheld phones. I still use one regularly. Never even come close to having an issue. If you want to increase safety, take licenses away from habitual offenders and people with significant physical impairment (late MS, vision issues, etc.). Make penaltities for driving without a license more significant. Remove unsafe cars from the road (bald tires, smoke). Build enough lanes, wide enough. Get drunks off the road. We need to spend federal dollars wisely, not fighting in court, because this will wind up as a free speech item at the Supreme Court. I support no texting, but no talking is a very bad idea.

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stonetrails said on December 13, 2011 at 1:22 PM

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I am all for safety. But really, if this is logical and makes sense, then so does banning politicians. Politicians are responsible for a whole lot of deaths.

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pixelater said on December 13, 2011 at 1:14 PM

Maybe there should be a test. If you can't drive down the road and have a conversation on a cell phone, you most likely shouldn't have any passengers in your vehicle to distract you by talking to you either. *** I agree that texting while driving is bad, but talking, that's a stretch.

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psdmomof3 said on December 13, 2011 at 1:13 PM

The issue isn't if cell phone use is worse or better than drunk driving. They're both kiling people. To enforce this law will be taxing, but it's necessary. Cell phones are a relatively "new" convenience, but they are now an actual problem... and having a Blue Tooth isn't solving it. It isn't always the physical act of holding a phone to your ear, but that the mind is working on too many things at once! Our cultural addiction to multi-tasking is going to take lives. Whether you agree or not, conversing with someone outside the vehicle is distracting - the research proves it. Texting, on the other hand, is a death wish. Whoever can argue that texing is safe is ignorant and selfish. My vote is to get a grip on this before we have a group like MADD for deaths via cell/text use while driving.

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cluelessinseattl said on December 13, 2011 at 1:11 PM

I'm all for making roads safer - I really, really am. But is anyone else getting fed up with the "one person did this and it was bad, we must therefore prevent everyone else on the planet from even having the chance that the situation would come up" form of regulation?

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kimbeam said on December 13, 2011 at 1:09 PM

That will be cute. In this creepy state they do not enforce the laws already on the books........... Only to way solve is have some geek figure a way to insert a block in cars new and used at time of licensing same as exhaust essions and drivers license cards in wallet or purse.. That blocks service unless vehicle is shut off.... Ha Ha good luck... Government cannot even stop a drone going into Iran.......... or explode it But they sure can approve spam, pop ups, ID theft, invasions of illegals.. Monsy talks.losers walk

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alkinative said on December 13, 2011 at 1:07 PM

We shouldn't all be penalized for teenaged texters. Go after them, not the responsible people who use hands-free devices.

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mr_conservative said on December 13, 2011 at 12:53 PM

So if I can't use my expensive Bluetooth headset, is the government going to reimburse me for it?

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cedardog said on December 13, 2011 at 11:45 AM

It is far from distracting, There is a bigger problem out there that needs to be addressed and that is drugs . Drug users affect more people then driving and talking on a cell.

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karnie said on December 13, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Ban cell phones completely. If awol50 had a brain he wouldn't need to ask how it is distracting, of course if he wants to drive while holding a shoe to his head then go for it.

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zestquest9813394 said on December 13, 2011 at 11:06 AM

Good luck in enforcing any such law. It's against the law now, but so what?

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wawolf said on December 13, 2011 at 10:54 AM

There are laws against texting and driving that make complete sense. Drivers should not txt, blog or do other activities that require them to take their eyes off the road. Banning all cell phone use in cars seems a bit extreme.

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awol50 said on December 13, 2011 at 10:46 AM

Just exactly how does the act of putting my hand to my ear while holding a cell phone cause accidents? Does it cause accidents if I hold a camera to my ear? Or a piece of wood? How about my shoe? All these laws are in place for one reason only: money. and lots of it. most traffic laws are put in placed and hundreds of millions of dollars spent by cops just aimlessly roaming around looking for hapless drivers who have broken insignificant traffic laws that are put in place only to raise money for politicians to spend. And all the while multiple repeating drunk drivers get slapps on the wrist and continue to drive. Why? No money to be made by incarcerating drunks. But there is in writing tickets.

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