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Metro Transit predicts bus problems during big snowstorms

by LINDA BRILL / KING5 News

KING5.com

Posted on November 1, 2010 at 12:59 PM

Updated Monday, Nov 1 at 6:30 PM

SEATTLE – King County’s Metro Transit painted a gloomy picture of what could happen to bus service this winter.

Metro said in the event of a big snowstorm it will not run its articulated buses or its trolley buses. Also, Metro said a big storm would disrupt Metro's communication system, making it impossible for people to get real-time information of bus routes.

King County Council members got a briefing on the region's transportation preparedness for severe weather. Forecasters say the La Nina climate pattern makes it likely the area will see more snow this winter.

Metro says its articulated buses and trolley buses get stuck in snow and therefore they’ll be pulled off the road if there is a big storm. That means fewer buses will be running. Metro also says it will be altering bus routes during those times. 

When those route changes hit, riders could be left out in the cold.

The promised new bus radio system won't be ready for up to two years, meaning bus drivers won't be able to give dispatchers quick information on problem areas.  Metro drivers will use phones, but getting information on real-time problems on specific routes won’t be possible.

"One of our issues is our new radio system is not installed in the very, very early stages of installation. It won't be installed fully until next winter,” a Metro official told the council members. “So there is still a bit of a bottleneck coming from the field into the control center. So, as the operatives are trying to report in on the status of their situation there is a bottleneck because of a limitation on radio channels."

In 2008, a snowstorm snarled Seattle's transportation system with Metro buses leaving thousands of people stranded. After that snowstorm, Metro revamped routes to follow street plowing plans.

Metro Transit is urging riders to sign up for alerts and check the Internet in the event of snow to determine which buses are running. Even so, bus riders may have trouble getting necessary information during snow events.

"But because traffic and road conditions change constantly, there is not full real-time information available for all Metro bus routes all of the time. Online programs like Bus Tracker and other privately developed apps become less reliable in bad-weather conditions, as more buses go to snow routing and service is increasingly disrupted. Also, the Trip Planner does not have real-time information once buses go to snow routing," Metro said in a news release.

King County says road crews are ready to battle snow and ice. The county says it has stockpiled salt, sand and deicing agents and put workers on overnight shifts to be ready to respond to weather problems. The county maintains 1,300 miles or roads.
 

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sassykatf said on November 2, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Gee, I've never seen a public transit system that doesn't have problems when the weather is bad. Of course, don't the rest of us have troubles too? I know I do! I have a capable winter vehicle and instead of whining and crying about the lack of service, I do what's called "PRE-PLANNING"! You should try it! It works wonderfully well! Of course, there are times when all the pre-planning in the world doesn't help, then you have to just use your brain and most likely you can figure out a way. Anytime something is modeled for public use, there are going to be situations where it just won't work. You're very lucky in Seattle to not have to deal with as much winter weather as we do here in Spokane. Our transit system has it's problems, but with a little bit of forethought, most situations can be dealt with.

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dede1978 said on November 2, 2010 at 11:43 AM

Agreed angeldove, but you have to keep in mind that vacation in most places are by seniority and not every one can take vacation day at the same time, my situation. And as long as the other idiots stay off the streets, I don't have a problem getting to work.... just saying.

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angeldove said on November 2, 2010 at 10:49 AM

I have never seen such assinine comments such as "factory workers are extinct" so we don't need public transportation. Wtf is wrong with you? Do you live in the real world? Our public transportation is a vital part of our city! I have been taking Metro for over 30 years because I choose not to drive. It is safer on a bus. But yes Metro does have a tendancy to drop the ball when the weather gets colder and we get snow. It has always been that way. Why stop now? Just plan ahead and take vacation days. That's what I do.

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dede1978 said on November 2, 2010 at 10:48 AM

No surprise here, Metro has always had problems with the snow. If they say it's going to snow, I drive. I'm one of those who has to go in. 2008 was the last time I plan on spending an 1 1/2 hours on a bus. And no, I'm not bragging that I can as I would rather stay home and enjoy it. I just hope the idiots that can't handle driving in it stay home and not clutter the roads with their abandoned cars, that's where the problems start, and I give credit to Metro for acknowledging it in advance, they were as much of the problem as those who leave their cars on the road.

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stryker said on November 2, 2010 at 10:20 AM

ksquared, pull your head out and loose the tude. Dont hate us because your stuck with Metro. Maybe if you had a job worth going to... Personally I know 90% of the people at my work wont show on snow days so that makes them the best days to work. Easy Money!

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ksquared said on November 2, 2010 at 9:52 AM

@rainbow5 - you are so right! As for the rest of you "I have a car, I'm so wonderful!" Good for you! Glad you can get to your vitally important jobs.

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rainbow5 said on November 2, 2010 at 9:34 AM

I am ohhhhhhhh so sick and tired of people telling me that I should be better prepared in the event of a snowstorm while making excuses for Metro. I am 62 years old and I don't drive. I have spent HOURS standing outside in the freezing cold in an ATTEMPT to get to work. I have also been stranded ON A METRO BUS for more than FOUR HOURS while the driver just kept throwing his hands in the air saying, "I don't know what to do" and then telling us that we should get out and walk ON THE FREEWAY. OMG!! You people who don't ride Metro on a regular basis are CLEARLY DELUSIONAL. Metro has no plan for ANYTHING!!! The last time there was a "major" snowstorm, some high ranking official from Metro was on television and she stated, "People should not be depending on Metro Transit to get them home." REALLY?? Well what EXACTLY should we be depending on Metro for?? Answer...absolutely NOTHING. Public transit is an ESSENTIAL public service and Metro is a MISERABLE failure!!!

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slappywag said on November 2, 2010 at 8:22 AM

This just in: Peanut butter contains peanuts!

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stryker said on November 2, 2010 at 6:34 AM

@ lotsofspareparts: BINGO! Auburn to Redmond. 40 miles each way. I didnt miss a single day due to snow. Good call.

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stryker said on November 2, 2010 at 6:31 AM

It wont happen. I want snow to bad. I have a 4x4 and live close to work... BRING IT ON!

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dakotanative said on November 1, 2010 at 8:45 PM

I was thinking that Robsow's wife worked for the Adrionic Grill, but that is in Tacoma. Seriously, is it really that far-fetched to think there may be a major interuption in bus service during a major snow event? If it snowed here heavily every year, it may be cost effective to have a major snow response unit. Spending millions on snow plows that collect dust so Princess Johnnie doesn't have to walk to work twice a decade is why the roads suck. Maybe if the weatherman says there will be a huge snowfall tonight, tonight would be a good time to find out what you need to do to get to work tomorrow. Not what Mr Mayor needs to do. What you needs to do. Even with the help of the National Guard, not every bus route can be plowed fast enough to keep ahead of a good storm.

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monocytogenes said on November 1, 2010 at 8:08 PM

This news really ticks me off. If you work for a hospital, everyone is deemed essential, whether you're a nurse, a part time housekeeper, or a secretary for a VP or director. Everyone is required to get to work, and are told that when the police are advising everyone to keep off the roads and stay home, "that does not apply to YOU!" And if you can't make it in, it counts against you as an unexcused absence, just the same as if you'd been caught playing hooky. And even if you have a 4WD vehicle, you're discouraged from driving to work, and are told to "take Metro". So when I hear that Metro knows it's not going to be able to move employees who really, REALLY need to get to work, it makes me sick. Maybe the medical centers on First Hill can work together, and do something about this mess. Obviously, I don't like the policy, but Metro needs to quit whining, and start doing.

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eightwrong said on November 1, 2010 at 7:11 PM

island? Factory workers are still out there--ever hear of Boeing? And what about the people in Seattle whose company (the government) forces them to use transit? and lotsofspareparts, it's good to have money, isn't it?

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lotsofspareparts said on November 1, 2010 at 6:55 PM

It is so funny to hear everyone complain about the lack of Metro transportation in the snow. I live in Arlington..... I work in Sedro-Woolley....... There is no bus to take me to work 35 miles one way, but that did not stop me from getting to work everyday during the winter in 2008. Any of the geniuses out there want to know why???? It is called a 4 wheel drive. Yeah, it may have been 25 miles an hour on I-5 all the way to work a few days, yeah it took me over an hour to get there, but I made it, worked all day and then drove in the same snow all the way home. Word of advice, quit whining, buy a vehicle that is capable in the snow, and then drive that vehicle when it snows.

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island8656484147 said on November 1, 2010 at 5:21 PM

Buses lost their usefulness when factory workers became extinct. What are we doing pumping all this money into a transit system that is extremely ridged in its schedule and then becomes totally disabled with a little snow? We can do better than this!

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sls41 said on November 1, 2010 at 4:58 PM

The radio system won't be up for two years, wow. How about cell phones?

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gracer said on November 1, 2010 at 4:23 PM

How is this news? Every winter, there are problems. Be prepared, leave earlier, or work from home if you can. If you have the chance to stay out of traffic and off the streets, DO SO. So simple...

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waituhminute said on November 1, 2010 at 4:15 PM

@robsows wife probably works for Rossi

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yessir said on November 1, 2010 at 3:49 PM

robsow... 10 years with the same company and they'll fire her on the first day she misses because of snow? What a great company your wife works for. Amazing more and more people are accepting businesses treating employees like manure. No more pensions... no more OT... no more medical benefits... just be glad you have a dang job! Yeah right.

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chuckstr76 said on November 1, 2010 at 2:33 PM

Now here is a news flash...

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puyallup_leon078 said on November 1, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Sorry Metro we had to let half the plow drivers go becase of the economy, your on your own. Maybe we should cut their budget too.

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robsow said on November 1, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Well said rainbow5. My wife too relies on Metro as she doesnt drive. Unfortunately, she would probably lose her job if she didnt show up because of the snow. This is after almost 10 years of employment with the same company.

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bellkat said on November 1, 2010 at 2:27 PM

And this is big news? Seriously? This is why I stopped riding the bus. 3 hours spent in the bus tunnel, dropped chains 3 times & jackknifed going up a hill meaning a 1 mile walk in snow & freezing cold. All in ONE trip.

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freedomfrank said on November 1, 2010 at 2:26 PM

Its OK Rainbow,,,, take a breath. Their union contract doesn't have verbiage for them actually keeping the buses running. The Metro folks will still get paid.

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rainbow5 said on November 1, 2010 at 1:52 PM

Metro predicts bus problems during big snowstorms?? That's considered NEWS WORTHY?? Anyone who rides Metro on a regular basis knows EXACTLY what Metro's snow policy is. It reads as follows: The minute the FIRST snowflake falls in the Seattle area, Metro simply ceases to function in any meaningful way. If it snows in Seattle this winter, I will not be making ANY attempt to go to work because I rely solely on Metro for transportation and I simply WILL NOT worry about whether I will make it to work - much less find myself stuck someplace and unable to get home. This year they are making excuses for their failure to provide a necessary service to the public even BEFORE it snows. I would not allow the people at Metro to be in charge of balancing my checkbook much less manage a transportation system for a MAJOR city in the United States.

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