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UW taking more out-of-state students to offset budget cuts

by MEG COYLE / KING 5 News

KING5.com

Posted on March 21, 2011 at 7:39 PM

Updated Monday, Mar 21 at 9:02 PM

SEATTLE -- Budget cuts are making it tougher for Washington students trying to get into the University of Washington.

The school admits it’s now making room for more out-of-state students who bring in more money.

“I think they should be concerned. We’re concerned,” admitted UW Admissions Director Philip Ballinger.

Severe budget cuts have forced UW to look outside the state for students.  

“We cannot literally afford to enroll as many resident students,” said Ballinger.

Why? Because out-of-state students bring in a lot more money. A Washington resident would pay about $8,700 a year in tuition and fees. But a non-resident would pay three times that, more than $25,000. Ballinger blames a $200 million dollar cut in state funding.

“So when you have that kind of cut you have to find some way of mitigating,” he said.

But that is little consolation to local high school seniors who didn’t make the cut. Megan Houston is a senior at Lake Washington High School with a 3.7 grade point average, 1600 SAT scores, and numerous extracurricular activities. She was not accepted to the University of Washington.

“The past week and a half has been, ‘Did you get into UW?’ And it’s kind of hard to say ‘No, I didn’t get in,’” she said.

Aurora Charouhas is another Lake Washington senior denied admission even though her grades and test scores were higher some of her peers who were accepted. 

“I’m a 3.69 student, 1500 SAT score, varsity captain of two sports teams, a four-year track athlete, vice president of the Environment Club, I’m taking four AP classes this year,” Charouhas said, and the list goes on.

“We’ve been turning away excellent students for years at the University of Washington,” said Ballinger.

Still, this year may be harder than ever. About 24,500 students applied to UW for the upcoming school year for 5,650 spots. That means nearly 12,000 rejection letters went out.

Ballinger says they’ve seen the number of applications nearly double in ten years. But of those, he says the number of Washington applicants has remained flat.

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UWAlumBuster said on March 23, 2011 at 6:10 PM

bluejeans2 asks: "What other factors go into their decision: alumni parents and the amount of their contributions, siblings at the U, etc.?" Based on extensive experience with UW Admissions, I can confirm that none of the factors listed above are considered. Elite private schools consider things like financial contributions and "legacy" of parents attending the school, but this is absolutely not the case at the UW. The reality is that the state of Washington has many, many high-achieving high school students, and the UW couldn't possibly admit them all. Even if the UW admitted only in-state students, there wouldn't be room for all the great kids. Tax-payers must remember that their taxes support other universities as well: Western, Eastern, WSU, etc. Paying taxes in Washington should guarantee some opportunity for higher ed, but it can't guarantee that everyone gets their first choice of school. I'm sorry, it's simply supply and demand.

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bcjlmcrew said on March 23, 2011 at 8:39 AM

Why is Washington DC so concerned with the no students left behind when end result is this! Shame on you UW. Take note Olympia. Once again my tax dollars at work. So now we have dumb Americans and Arab Asians take over the world. Nice. My daughter attended PLU. There they educate your young adults and focus on studies not heavy into sports and drinking. In my opinion UW has been going downhill for many years. I will be pushing to have my tax dollars spent else where. Good luck UW you just lost any support from me you had.

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conseula said on March 22, 2011 at 4:32 PM

YOU GO UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON!! ISN'T IT LOGICAL THAT THE TAX PAYER'S OF WASHINGTON'S CHILDREN SHOULD BE THE ONE'S WHO ARE NOT ADMITTED TO THE U OF W BECAUSE THEY RECEIVED CHEAPER TUITION?? WHAT A JOKE AND HOW OFFENSIVE TO THE TAX PAYER'S OF WASHINGTON THAT THEIR KID'S CANNOT GET INTO THE U BECAUSE OF BUDGET PROBLEMS.. THESE PROBLEMS DIDN'T HAPPEN OVER NIGHT..WHY DON'T THEY LOOK TO THE SOURCES THAT DIDN'T SPEND THE MONEY IN THE RIGHT PLACES AT THE U..

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banditrider said on March 22, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Its all about money, the salaries some of these University presidents and administrators pull in is astronomical. They're multi millionaires will full gov't benefits. Its almost a bragging right for some of these universities on how high their president's salary is (UW). But, if people are willing to pay it, no matter what state or country they're from, these guys don't care. The state of Washington should drop UW and make it go private. They can then figure out how to support their millionaire's club.

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nguminh said on March 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM

Where are all the genuis? other country build up their new generation and we dump our. it's getting sad by the minute.

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banditrider said on March 22, 2011 at 9:54 AM

UW isn't the only one. There is a local community college that recruits heavily in the far east and SE Asia. They have actually hired liaisons over there. They actually boast about having the highest of foreign students in the nation. Why? Have you seen what a resident alien student pays in tuition and housing? Meanwhile, local kids are turned away or cannot get classes to progress because they're shut out (mainly in the high tech). We're educating kids from countries not particularly friendly to us. What's this going to do to us 20 or so years from now? Short term gain for long term pain.

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Eastsidervotes said on March 22, 2011 at 9:00 AM

This is another example of our taxes not being invested in that which brings prosperity to society - an educated workforce! How can we have such a short-sighted legislature that they cut the very programs that invest in an educated and healthy population. As a nation we provide tax cuts to the wealthiest of families and businesses without regard to the need to invest in the future. We allow international and out of state students to come and take our publlic university slots and then hear business complain that they cannot find enough educated workers to hire so must bring in people from overseas to fill their jobs. It is a travesty when our society allows the wealthiest families and businesses to enjoy tax favored status over the far larger middle class, while we cut the tax investments that provide them the environment and workers upon which to build wealth and jobs. It takes money to provide a free and just society with educated workers. The middle class is fast disappeariing!

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bluejeans2 said on March 22, 2011 at 8:27 AM

Would be interesting to see how the UW decides on its applicants. It's not just those with high GPAs, high test scores and well-written essays. It appears much more random, with students having lower numbers getting in while students with higher numbers being wait-listed. What other factors go into their decision: alumni parents and the amount of their contributions, siblings at the U, etc.? As an alum and taxpayer, I am extremely unhappy with UW admissions. If they dare to blame budget cuts on why they aren't accepting more WA resident students, they should look to increase in-state tuition (oh yeah, they are) and perhaps funnel some of the quarter of a billion they're spending on a new stadium into the right places -- educating WA students.

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HenryM said on March 22, 2011 at 12:52 AM

I am not paying my taxes to help our State university educate kids from other States, when my own kids could get in but are being black listed, like Megan or Aurora. Shame on UW. Why aren't they offering local kids the same pricing as out of State students before opening their slot to out-of-state if they need the money that bad?

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nwreader said on March 21, 2011 at 10:38 PM

Just amazing. How to describe the stupidity of the admissions people? If only each state had a university, named for that state, in order that people FROM that state could be educated there! In the very state in which they live! Need to have a college educated person explain that concept to these administrators. Either they need to go (maybe try for admission to ANOTHER state's university for an administrative job? It makes sense doesn't it?) or learn what the name University OF Washington means. How embarrassing. If the cash flow is so bad I can think where cuts could be made overnight. We obviously have weak minds in this U *of* W department.

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rudymeems said on March 21, 2011 at 10:16 PM

I'm wondering, are those SAT scores measured on the old scale or the new one?Old scale used to be out of 1600 points, 800 for Verbal, 800 for Mathematics. The new scale is out of 2400 points: 800 for Writing, 800 for Critical Reading and 800 for Mathematics. Colleges no longer measure by the old scale and neither do students, so if these are by the new scale, they're actually perfectly average SAT scores, indicating 500-range scores in each category. If that's the case, it's no wonder these students were not accepted. Another thing: I am a student who applied to the UW this year and their application was by far the hardest of all that I filled out due to the writing section. UW does not care how long your list of extracurriculars and accolades is. They request that you choose up to 5 activities and write detailed 250-word paragraphs on each explaining why you chose it and how it impacted you. They care about dedication, not showboating. And if you cannot write, you won't get in.

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dentalgirl57 said on March 21, 2011 at 8:49 PM

Wow...this needs fixing...where did we ever get the idea that education past the 12th grade suddenly becomes only for the wealthy and elite? Don't we all realize that education is the key to prosperity and the foundation of our country. These are our future leaders folks...not the foreign students who benefit from our educational system and then leave. The reason they want to come here is because they know the education they will get is far superior to that at home (why else would they pay the atrocious tuition prices). I would love to know how many of those 5,650 spots are going to foreign and out of state students?

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nick22 said on March 21, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Make H1B visas pay out of state tuition for starters. Another issue is that the state needs to fund state run schools. This is unfair to all of us residents with children especially middle class kids who are in the worst boat and don't get PELL grants and they are the ones being punished for there parents modest income.

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sksmith said on March 21, 2011 at 7:23 PM

In state students that meet the requirements must be given the opportunity to attend UW over out of state students.

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msndis said on March 21, 2011 at 6:52 PM

It is time the UW just became a private university.

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