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Thieves burglarize Seattle church cafe and youth center

by LINDA BRILL / KING 5 News

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Posted on December 31, 2009 at 5:23 PM

SHORELINE, Wash. -- A Seattle church cafe and youth center, designed to get troubled kids off the streets, was burglarized overnight Wednesday.  Thieves took tens of thousands of dollars worth of electronic gear.

Police say this is a familiar pattern and goes beyond a burglary. Neighbors and police say it's a crime against the community.

The New Hope Seattle Church gives something special to the community - it serves as a home for troubled teens. Now thieves have taken from them. The church cafe has been ransacked and ripped off - big screen TVs and stereo equipment pulled out of the wall.

It's a stab in the heart for the church's pastor.
 
"It's hard not to feel violated. Like every time we try to move forward, it's two steps back," said Jon Burgess, pastor.

The Blue Cafe opened a year ago to serve the community with free coffee. It's a favorite for Shoreline police, who now investigate the crime.

Thieves broke through the back door overnight and cleaned out nearly everything inside. In the youth area, the arcade games are looted. The youth rec room is a wreck. It's a troubling sight for church members.

"It's hard to think about somebody did this for people who don't really have too much," said Sammy Wabula, teen church member.

"It's not a business. Everything's free.  They stole from an organization that's helping the community," said Jonathan Paz, youth pastor.

Because the center is a gem for the community, police are working this one hard. A crime scene team is combing the scene  for clues.

Everything in the church was donated and nearly everything is gone.

"To see that ripped out, trashed and gone, it hurts. We worked so hard for that, but we're gonna get back and get bigger and better," said Ruthie Wabula, teen church member.

Police say this is the third large scale burglary of a facility in the area this month, with the same M.O. Police say they're determined to catch whoever is behind these burglaries.

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emptynestr said on January 1, 2010 at 4:43 PM

Pamby...what do you man Oh GODDESS please? Did you mean Goodness? or Goddess? Makes a difference you know. And that is hardly an answer to anything. It sounds to me like You just don't WANT to believe and so it is easy to be cynical and put others down who do. It is your choice to believe what you want to believe. The fact is you have not learned the truth of what Christianity is really all about and even, sad to say, many who SAY they are Christians don't understand it either so Christianity and Christians get a bad rap because of those who don't understand the truths. I can't in a small place like this undo all the bad rap that has been done in the name of Christianity. I am just very sad that it has and that so many like you have been so jaded against it. Only the Holy Spirit can touch yours and other's hearts to bring you to understanding of the truth. I would just challenge you to do a thorough research and study for yourself and then decide.

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emptynestr said on January 1, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Note to cyrixlord: God has used many who are afflicted in some way to His glory and to inspire and encourage others who are also aflicted. I know a wonderful woman named Ione who had polio and was near death but she lived and walks with crutches, but a more joyeous woman one could not find. She was such an inspiration to me. Even a child of rape went on to become a famous singer...named Ethel Waters who sang His Eye Is On the Sparrow ...and I know He watches me...! Life is what WE make of it. We either CHOOSE to be angry, hurt, resentful, bitter, hateful, negative, pessimistic, OR we can CHOOSE to be grateful, positive, happy, productive IN SPITE OF not because of the circumstances that come our way. Life is a GIFT and every day is a GIFT. It IS hard to understand why some die and some are allowed to live but we aren't to be the judges of that...God is. He knows each mans heart and who will and who won't come to Him.

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pamby said on January 1, 2010 at 4:18 PM

Oh Goddess please.... :P

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emptynestr said on January 1, 2010 at 4:17 PM

There are so many good answers here. But I am sad for those who have trouble believing in God. Those of you who don't believe or think God is a mean hateful God really do not understand God at all. First of all God gave us all free CHOICE to accept his plan for us (His created ones) or to reject it and go our own way. He is always there for us but, He won't protect us nor save us from the consequences of OUR OWN wrong or bad choices outside of His will for us. Plus you need to understand that others sins and bad choices WILL affect us as well because we ALL live in a fallen and imperfect world. God provided a way for all of us to be forgiven and redeemed from our own sinfulness through the sacrifice of His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ once for all for all mankind. And by accepting Jesus as OUR Savior we CAN be forgiven and cleansed from all our unrighteousness. God LOVES US ALL that much! He didn't promise us a painfree life, Just a forgiven one. I hope this helps.

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obadiah said on January 1, 2010 at 3:59 PM

97850, What case, what evidence? Where are you witnesses?

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97850 said on January 1, 2010 at 3:55 PM

I rest my case.

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obadiah said on January 1, 2010 at 3:37 PM

Davidadams, continued... This likeness is not physical, it pertains with our capacity to love, reason, create and provide justice and mercy accordingly. But like any good father He delights to see His children stand up for what is just and right and good in defending the honor of Him. So it is not that He is incapable, for He condescended to take on human form in the person of Christ Jesus. Jesus clearly demonstrated which the historical evidence supports that He is the Son of God and He has the word of life and power over death. Therefore it is because of His goodness and grace toward us that we have not yet received the full penalty for the sinful desires of the heart. God has nothing to do with the alarm or lack of at the Church but He will ultimately meter of justice and mercy in the end.

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obadiah said on January 1, 2010 at 3:35 PM

Davidadams, Your logic is right God does not need us; in fact His word to us says He made us for His good pleasure. But your wrong in saying He is not grieved by those whom think they know better than what He has clearly declared and made know to mankind through the ages. For all of creation declares a creator there is no logical way to deny this. In fact our conscious testifies against us should we attempt to declare we are without error or unaccountable for our actions. For the pot to say to the potter you do not exist is foolishness. So again you are right being omnificent He could very well raise up stones and sticks to praise Him, but they are not made in His likeness, we as human beings are His grandest creation, for His word tells us we are more valuable to Him than the rest of creation for we bare his likeness.

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davidadams said on January 1, 2010 at 2:29 PM

you know, fundies.. your god being omnipotent and omnipresent most likely doesn't need little knats like simple humans to stick up for it. something that could create everything on a whim and snap of the fingers probably has thick enough skin to withstand the horrible assault that comes from the thinking non-sheep. Still.. with all those supernatural powers...your god doesn't make a very good burglar alarm

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obadiah said on January 1, 2010 at 1:02 PM

Duncanhi Well said!

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obadiah said on January 1, 2010 at 12:31 PM

97850, Oh about blind faith you say I have, I don’t have blind faith. I have faith rooted in the historical fact of the resurrection of Christ. If Christ did not rise from the dead, conquering death and the penalty of sin, then my faith is useless. But since He did and the historical evidence confirms this event and that in the course of human history as foretold by God’s word hundreds of year prior, I have to go with the risen God and what He said “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through me” over the multitude of dead whom claimed to have a better way cause they are still in their graves.

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obadiah said on January 1, 2010 at 12:21 PM

97850 continued.. Since there is a God and everything exist because He does, just because your parent gave you something you wanted doesn’t mean they won’t take it from you if it is for you good. God allows evil in this world, apparently you haven’t learned from this object lesson yet. God gave us dominion over the world and all it’s creation, it’s our doing all our responsibility. God made a perfect world we introduced sin into it by our disobedience. It is mankind’s fault for the world’s woe; God didn’t create this world we now live in. We did. He in His wisdom allowed us to fulfill all our sinful desires, therefore all the things that you accredit (why is m suffering, non-believers?) as evidence there is no God, actually supports the existence of a God who loves us that allows us to muck things up down here (which is temporal) so we might seek Him out for that better way, Eternal life in His kingdom. For He is a rewarded to those whom diligently seeks Him, they will find Him.

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obadiah said on January 1, 2010 at 12:20 PM

97850.. Atheist exists because there is a God. Just like the universe exist because there is an uncaused cause behind it. Nothing came from nothing, nothing never could. He did not make us auto bots programming us to return love to Him. Love does not force one to love back. Love is a gift, and because He loves each of us, He allows us each to choose to respond to Him. He does not force us into a relationship with Him. In fact those who find themselves eternally separated from God got there because they loved the darkness over light. If God’s son suffered in this life, why would you think He would remove it totally for us? I know for a fact if I received all I deserve for my actions in my life, my life would be unbearable. You may deny Him as you pointed out there are plenty to do. Why do you think God said, board is the path of destruction, narrow is the path to life?

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mango said on January 1, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Wait, I changed my mind. I don't believe in Santa

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mango said on January 1, 2010 at 12:00 PM

I believe in Santa Claus

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mango said on January 1, 2010 at 12:00 PM

I believe in Santa Claus

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duncanhi said on January 1, 2010 at 11:01 AM

I was asked once why I'm a Christian when so many are flawed and suffering. Whereas scientologists, hindus, buddhists and the like are experiencing such success and peace in their lives. My answer is from Satan's standpoint. If I knew all I had to do was disprove God, not turn them to me. Who would I bother? The scientologists? The hindus? why, when they are not choosing God? All he has to do is make belief and faith in God seem like the poor choice. Plus, God gave us free will - how easy to sway us. Throw in some hardship and suffering -- whose faith wouldn't be questioned? For something to be this hard to keep the faith, it must be real and true. This is why I believe.

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duncanhi said on January 1, 2010 at 10:56 AM

I was asked once why I'm a Christian when so many are flawed and suffering. Whereas scientologists, hindus, buddhists and the like are experiencing such success and peace in their lives. My answer is from Satan's standpoint. If I knew all I had to do was disprove God, not turn them to me. Who would I bother? The scientologists? The hindus? why, when they are not choosing God? All he has to do is make belief and faith in God seem like the poor choice. Plus, God gave us free will - how easy to sway us. Throw in some hardship and suffering -- whose faith wouldn't be questioned? This is why I believe.

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duncanhi said on January 1, 2010 at 10:55 AM

. . . you may not always benefit from the good of the situation. Like an unhealed amputee or a down syndrome child. There are many of these people who have touched others in spite of their situation. From one point of view "sucks to be them!". From another, "why can't I have their happiness?" Too many people, fail to see the good if there is no self benefit - I'm guilty of it too.

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duncanhi said on January 1, 2010 at 10:44 AM

. . . at a glance, the items stolen appear to be "wants". However, if the purpose and/or service each item provided is looked at - the materialism fades. The monitors in the cafe allows those wishing to enjoy the service in the cafe to have a view from any seat in the cafe. Wouldn't sports bars be less effective if there were smaller or no monitors? The video games and tv in the game room also served to be a "cool" inviting, fun and safe place for teens. Would a bunch of board games and coloring books be as effective with today's youth? Provide and protect? yes he does. Protection isn't limited to physical protection, which is impacted by that darn free will he gave us. Good vs. Bad? We praise him for both. Should children only be thankful to their parents for gifts and "good" things? Should they not be thankful for the chores they have? Good and bad is a point of view that requires one to remove the focus from themself and see the whole picture. . .

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duncanhi said on January 1, 2010 at 10:19 AM

The existence of God does not equate to the non-existence of pain, suffering, evil, etc. Man has free will. Adam and Eve CHOSE to eat the fruit, Cain CHOSE to kill his brother Abel, Judas CHOSE to betray Jesus. As for atheists, that definition includes more than just a disbelief in God. Some attribute it to any deity. But, for the sake of discussion let's say it was just a disbelief in God. Is it possible to not believe in something that isn't? Everything has an opposite - one validates the existence of the other. Cosmic bell hop was an interesting take. I simply see him as always answering prayer. The important thing is to remember answering does not mean "Yes". Those of you with children can relate to saying "no" for their own good. Or "it's not the right time for that". Just as we know what's best for our children (or spouse sometimes), so God answers accordingly. One of the hardest things is the "best" may not be directly for us, but the benefit of others. to be continued . . .

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97850 said on January 1, 2010 at 8:59 AM

There is no god. Simple as that. If there were, why would there be atheists? Why would there be Hindus, and why would there be so much suffering in the world? You say god is not a cosmic bell hop that that just gives us what we want when we want it. Yet you claim all the stuff that was stolen was provided by him. Which is it? He has the power to provide but not protect? You conveniently attribute everything good to god, then when terrible things happen, that's just the way it is? Any why are numbers of Christians falling across the world? That is, except for the poor brainwashed children. There is so much evidence that there is no god, I am astounded by your blind faith. There is a better way- but you have a long way to go before you see it...

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obadiah said on January 1, 2010 at 7:00 AM

97850 continued ... Who has spoken through men through out the ages in various ways and times just as I bear witness to you of His existence and plan to provide us a future and eternal hope which lies in the work of His son on the cross, more so His word revealed prior to us and made manifest through out the course of human history is sufficient evidence to trust in his reliable authority on the matters of our lives.

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obadiah said on January 1, 2010 at 7:00 AM

97850 Don’t feel sorry for the pastor, he is not the pot telling the potter he does not exist. The heavens and earth declare His glory. You therefore are without excuse because God made you in His image. Therefore you have the ability to reason with logic. Last I checked logic states nothing comes from nothing, nothing never could. When it comes to creation, that is the heavens and the earth for there is no Hebrew word for Universe. But when it comes to the universe it didn’t come from nothing. Therefore logic demands a greater cause behind it may I suggest the eternal living being that always was, is and always will be.

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obadiah said on January 1, 2010 at 6:47 AM

Cyrixlord continued.... So kind hearted people that give are just responding in the nature of God, He gave himself on the cross and gave us reason to place our faith in him (Historical fact of Christ resurrection, thus He can be trusted when he says “I am the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the father except by me”. Our lives in this world are temporal and so are the challenges each of us face. So therefore as our bodies decay and go to the grave in God’s eyes it is just begging of eternal lives. The outcome of which depends upon if we truly have a intimate relationship with the lover of our eternal souls who has promised us new bodies that will not decay. A new world in which evil is removed and all those who choose to practice it are eternally separated from those resting in the presence of God.

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obadiah said on January 1, 2010 at 6:46 AM

Cyrixlord You bring up some good questions about God hearing our prayers. He is not a cosmic bell hop that just gives us what we want when we want it. However I can understand why your Theology is off key for there is a lot of ignorance in Christian circles about what God has to say on the subject. Therefore there are a lot of heretical teachings and traditions that couldn’t be farther from the nature of God. So remember God said “I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy”. Therefore pray isn’t to manipulate God to do something for us, but for us to become intimate with Him and trust His will is best. I believe your view that God is responsible for each and every act of free will of human beings is flawed at best and at worse is a straw man for people to live their lives without any accountability to their very creator. I have heard is statement more simply, “God made me this way”. God did not make us to choose evil; He made us to choose good.

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obadiah said on January 1, 2010 at 6:46 AM

Billiameveryman “Where is your god now?” Are you serious? Where was God when his son cried out “please take this cup from me?” “not my will Father but your will be done” referring to his imprisonment, beating and crucifixion to come? And what was his crime? He claimed to be the son of God, healed the sick, feed the poor and raised the dead. All historical facts witnessed by first century humanity and thus changed the world as you know it. God was there and saw him through it for in God’s infinite wisdom He knew what was best for all. It was best he paid the price for our sin so that those whom trust in him will not have to endure eternal separation. It’s obvious you are estranged from Him, by the tone in your statement. So I counsel you do not hold your distain for life and the consequences of free will choices made by imperfect beings as being God fault for your distain for life. God does not wish for you to perish, it is of your own free will to disavow him from your life.

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ginofelino said on January 1, 2010 at 1:40 AM

Typical liberal criminals, most likely Obama voters just looking for the reparations they were promised, just in the form of stereo equipment.

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cyrixlord said on January 1, 2010 at 12:02 AM

emptynestr: Then why, out of so many prayers and pleas, has God not healed one amputee? not one person with downs syndrome? Why do we need health insurance if God hears us? If God's plan for us is imprinted from our first heart beat to our last, why do we even bother praying for him to change His plan for us? Wouldnt that be selfish? If he knows when our last heartbeat is, then people who perform abortions or genocide are just guiltless puppets, because it is God's plan for us to die in such ways. My only prayer, in regards to religion would be for churches to lose their tax exempt status when they perform political activism and try to legislate their hatred into laws or make laws exempt them from discriminating and hate speech. Please do not mistake the work of kind hearted people to provide material things to this church for some invisible superhero to gives favors to people who like to fold their hands and talk to ceilings or at floors.

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emptynestr said on December 31, 2009 at 11:31 PM

I am saddened to hear of all that distruction of things that were used as tools to help troubled youth. But as Pastor Sean said they are just material things and they can be replaced, though not with out it costing those who feel led to help put things back to order. You see 97850, God does still exist. He touches peoples hearts in a way you may not understand. But I am more saddened for you because you are a lost soul and don't even realize it. Material things are merely "tools" by which any organization can use to help others but it is a whole other matter about finding God and finding a new purpose in life. My prayer is that in this new year you will find Jesus and realize how he has already paid the price for this injustice. That ministry will survive. And God will provide anew. Perhaps even better than before. You will see.

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97850 said on December 31, 2009 at 9:00 PM

Pastor Sean: I feel very sorry for you. billiameveryman simply pointed out yet more evidence that there is no god. God did not provide that stuff any more than he provides the food on the table. Hard work and generosity provided both. I really hope someday you can come to realize the strength and power of self belief, instead of putting stock in a non-existent being.

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pastor_sean said on December 31, 2009 at 8:46 PM

Wow, billiameveryman. Regardless of religion, this was a cold and heartless act, and your comments to praise such a thing shows that you need prayer. I helped build this youth group and room. God blessed us with every single thing that was in that room. We did not pay ONE PENNY for all of that stuff, because our God Provides. These are all material items, and does not steer us off of our relationship with the mighty Elohim! My God is still right here with everyone of us. He will get us these things back. Christians march on? That is where our God is... How about you?

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billiameveryman said on December 31, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Too soon? Yeah, probably so...

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billiameveryman said on December 31, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Where's your god now?

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