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Starting today, loaded guns allowed in National Parks

by ROBERTA ROMERO / KING 5 News

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Posted on February 21, 2010 at 4:54 PM

Updated Monday, Feb 22 at 8:41 AM

SEATTLE - Mount Rainier, the North Cascades and Olympic National Parks are breathtaking, and they belong to us. They are an American ideal, providing protected land to its citizens.

Just as American is the Second Amendment, the right to bear arms, and now it will be perfectly legal to combine the two.

For years, federal law at National Parks allowed people to bring in unloaded weapons as long as they were stowed away. But starting Monday, that will change. Now anyone with a legal permit can bring in a loaded gun, concealed or otherwise, as long as it concurs with state laws.

Sean Smith, policy director for the National Parks Conservation Association, is deeply concerned about the effect this will have on parks and how it will even be enforced.

"The parks are one of the safest places in America, the amount of crime is almost unheard of in National Parks," said Smith.

Dave Workman, Senior Editor of Gun Week, says it's just a matter of education.

"What people need to understand is that they are not going to be confronted by herds of armed people running down the trails. This is not a gathering of some militia. This is just an opening of a civil right inside the National Parks," said Workman.

Hikers we talked to had mixed reactions.

"I don't understand why they think they need them," said Sue Hoffman.

"I'm not sure that it's going to bother me all that much," said Donna Lamb. "I think in most cases you're not going to even notice someone even has a gun."

The new federal law will have no effect on existing laws and regulations that are already in effect in National Parks that means hunting is still not allowed and guns are already banned from federal facilities like visitor centers.

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readingseattle said on March 2, 2010 at 7:59 PM

Dear Roberta, AND to the NWNC, Roberta, your clip which I can't find at this moment IS extremely BIASed, and hurts, and is very OFFENSIVE to law-abiding citizens. Your piece about the new law is EXTREMELY inciteful and incinerating. YOU showed a picture of our beatiful national forest, THEN you showed a picture of someone shooting a gun at a range--YOU connected the two things that people who have guns will BLOW UP OUR NATIONAL FORESTS..... YOU need to be reprimanded right now Roberta. You say NOTHING about the Pilipinas (the Philippines), and Mexico being dominated and conquered by the Spaniards for 4-5 hundred years... I can't believe I have to write this, but GUNS DON't KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE... Please do a piece on social mores and family values before you incite the illiterate to think that taking away basic rights is good, and personal responsibility (like not hurting people) is bad. YGTBSM!

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wildwilly said on February 23, 2010 at 5:05 PM

You dont need a permit to carry concealed if hunting fishin or camping or in the outdoors. Read the ammendments to the RCW" http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.060

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wildwilly said on February 23, 2010 at 4:47 PM

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.060 Number 8...

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wildwilly said on February 23, 2010 at 4:45 PM

I think the news may have it screwed up. In Washington while hunting, fishing or camping, or going to or from, you do NOT need a concealed weapon permit to carry concealed. Id like to read the actual law.

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halipino808 said on February 23, 2010 at 8:10 AM

I don't see what the big deal is here. The "bad guys" who actually intend to do bad things with their guns have been carrying whether its illegal or not. Do you think that criminals stop to think about whether they"re "allowed" to do something before they do it? The folks who will now legally carry most likely have no intention of discharging their weapon, just having it for protections sake.

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simply_entycing8 said on February 23, 2010 at 4:02 AM

I'm curious. How many of you realize that not all National Parks have wooded areas or wild animals? If you visit the Jimmy Carter national park in Plains, GA for instance, why do you need a loaded weapon? My best friend happens to be a park ranger there and that makes me feel safer but still...I will be very nervous about visiting National Parks from now on.

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al1213 said on February 23, 2010 at 12:28 AM

You know that the criminals are the ones who bet on law abiding citizens not having a weapon. Maybe now they will think twice before trying to make some hiker/camper their victim, then everybody can keep them concealed.

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al1213 said on February 23, 2010 at 12:19 AM

I believe state parks require their own permits reguardless of state law and I don't think they will allow target practice.

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texasham said on February 22, 2010 at 9:37 PM

"Anyone carrying a gun, permit or not, has every intention of using it." ARE YOU KIDDING? "Should they shoot someone, it should automatically be considered "first degree assault or murder!" It WILL be unless they have a "defense to prosecution" as defined by state law. Educate yourself

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texasham said on February 22, 2010 at 9:24 PM

It is not the legal gun owner you need to worry about. Where I live, my state has a full set of my finger prints, the FBI has a full set of prints. The state and FBI both have my picture. The state has done a background check on me, and the FBI has run me through the National Crime Information Center. I have no criminal record, I am not wanted for anything. No legal gun owner would shoot ANYONE except in self defense. The California murder rate is the highest in the nation BECAUSE they took away the right to defend yourself from attack. The bad guys KNOW their victims can't fight back. We're sitting ducks for the crooks that are going to get guns anyway. Don't worry about me, I'm not your problem. Worry about the guy that has one when he's not supposed to have one. Sign me: Concealed Handgun License holder. A TRAINED CHL holder. "When they outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns." Always was true. Always will be true.

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trojan33 said on February 22, 2010 at 7:54 PM

aziza- Future Darwin Award winner. I don't know where you heard that bears only attack if you get between a mother and her cub. It simply is not true. Quite honestly saying that only female bears attack people is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. I would normally give up on talking to someone that says something like this. But, just in case you have children that you may take with you. Please do some simple research. I cannot stress this enough. It's not just bears that you have to worry about either. The guns I was speaking about are allowed into the parks. I do have quite a bit of outdoor experience and have been traumatized by some bear encounters. I have an everyday reminder and feel lucky to be alive several times over. Be careful out there.

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stratcat1 said on February 22, 2010 at 7:31 PM

yessir... You must have heard me play!

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anonymoususer said on February 22, 2010 at 5:59 PM

criminals always carried their guns in national parks - why do the blondies and liberal kooks think they obeyed the no-gun law??? Now people can legally defend themselves from the pot growers and shroomers not to mention wild animals that sometimes attack. It is only common sense to allow people to carry their weapons legally especially since the criminals always carry theirs.

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alaskan1944 said on February 22, 2010 at 4:27 PM

I lived in Alaska for fifteen years. Been to Denali and Katmai many times. Never carried a gun in the parks, and was more afraid of the "Smokies" (park rangers) than of bears or wolves. Not unlike the mean streets of Seattle, the bad ones (bears or otherwise) seem to know when you're packing. I carried my trusty .44 magnum during thousands of miles of travels in the Alaskan Bush. Proud to say, I never had to fire the weapon.

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magj0y said on February 22, 2010 at 4:12 PM

People are already bringing guns with them. This law just allows people to legally do it. I've gone hiking out there a few times and would have appreciated being able to bring protection with me with out breaking any laws. We've been having problems on the Appalachian trails for years, it would be nice to be able to carry there, as well. Just because you carry, doesn't mean you have ill intent to use it. Maybe if it was legal in CA, the girls Stayner killed could have been more equipped to defend themselves.

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tracer2009 said on February 22, 2010 at 2:35 PM

STILL haven't heard how our NP will be safer today... keep trying boys!

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the_commando said on February 22, 2010 at 2:26 PM

You know what this means! Do not go to the national parks if you don't have a gun! One argument with a jerk, that will be the end of your life.

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fearnofish65 said on February 22, 2010 at 2:18 PM

This is a great ruling for the sportsmen of America. Like many, I enjoy fishing the great salmon runs of Alaska. And my safety, and the safety of those around me is my highest priortiy. For those who enjoy recreation in the lower 48, you can never be too prepared. Having somebody, who is properly trained in it's use, carry a handgun with you on a trip (whether it be a day trip or a long camping/fishing trip) is one of the smartest things you can do. You never know who/what is out there with you. And, you don't have to be that far from home to run into an animal capable of taking your life. Parks more than anywhere else pose a significant risk, if you ask me. Animals are protected and are able to grow very large. They're also desensitzed to people, virtually making them unafraid. And to the guy who said: "Shoot a bear with a hand gun? You'll only make him angry! Then what will you do?" I'm pretty sure my S&W 500 will do a little more than make a bear angry

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yessir said on February 22, 2010 at 2:04 PM

honda? You aren't implying all the anti-gun nuts are out to get you, are you? ; )

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yessir said on February 22, 2010 at 2:02 PM

Elkbow... thanks for the thought out reply... we are at least in partial agreement.

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yessir said on February 22, 2010 at 2:00 PM

Strat... some people can do far more damage with an improperly played guitar ; )

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tugthug said on February 22, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Ah! graham I was wondering when I would see your post show up here. I have read many of your posts on other blogs and always look forward to your negative posts. You are truly a disturb individual and I would look closely in the mirror the next time when you call someone a nut case. It could be one of us who just might save your bacon!

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elkbowhunter said on February 22, 2010 at 1:53 PM

yessir i have to agree with you that there are too many people out there that dont know what they are doing with a firearm.when i say most i am going off of personal expierence.maybe instead of trying to take everyones guns away we should come up with more training restrictions. to be able to buy firearms or get a concealed weapons permit you should have to pass training course or something to that effect.im not for putting a gun in every joe shmoes hand.we as legal gun owners and even non gun owners have a responsibility to make sure those who do carry them do so in a safe and responsible manner.we dont need more restictions on what guns we can and cant have.we do need more restiction on who can and cant have them.but the bottom line is those who want to do something illegal with them will get them illegaly that s what needs to stop.

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hondaxr650 said on February 22, 2010 at 1:51 PM

I love how the anti-gun fanatics are coming out of the woodwork yet again with their predictions of wild west style shootouts and mass slayings and then have the nerve to call me paranoid because I own and carry a gun...............

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stratcat1 said on February 22, 2010 at 1:47 PM

Oh, eeek, a gun!

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yessir said on February 22, 2010 at 1:32 PM

Elkbow... I accept you've taken the time to develop your skills and ability as a firearm owner. You are likely responsible and safe. Of course I have to take your word for that not knowing you personally. Your comment that the cops Psych evals and weapons training "doesn't mean anything" is an unrealistic stretch. I realize you've listed an example... I could list more indeed, but compared to the thousands of examples in the general populace every year, the statistics wouldn't even be remotely comparable. Again, I concede you've personally trained extensively with your weapon, but to conclude that means "most" do? Once again, I think that's an unrealistic stretch. I know quite a few gun owners personally who've shot their weapon once or twice total and then tucked it away "in case they ever need it". I suspect there's a lot of gun owners in that category. I'm not implying that means people shouldn't be allowed to bare arms... but I think we should try to be realistic about this.

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tracer2009 said on February 22, 2010 at 1:24 PM

ELKBOWHUNTER... Not a very intelligent comeback there. But then you probably didn't have too much time during recess to think of one. Ask your teacher for help next time and... don't shoot yourself in the foot!

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tracer2009 said on February 22, 2010 at 1:22 PM

Who, with a straight face, can honestly say that our NP will be safer?

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beetle73 said on February 22, 2010 at 1:11 PM

I have always carried in the woods after i came across the remains of a meth lab. I really don't worry about the wildlife i am more worried about the meth heads and crazies out there.

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elkbowhunter said on February 22, 2010 at 1:03 PM

everyone says cops can have guns because of all the checks they go through to be able to carry.well you have to go through most of the same checks to get a concealed weapons permit.just because cops go through a little more doesnt mean anything anyone remeber David Brame?just because your a cop doesnt make you any safer than anyone else with a concealed weapons permit.most legal gun owners have just as much training as the police force and military.and we practice constantly with them to make sure if we ever do have to use them we eliminate the threat safely and effectively.

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vantuckykain said on February 22, 2010 at 12:47 PM

That provision was put in there exactly because people need to be able to defend themselves while out in the woods away from fast emergency response. It is sad that people think law abiding gun owners are going to start shooting up everything in the parks now. Ignorance and intolerance comes in all forms and unfortunately people fear what they don't understand.

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curtdavis said on February 22, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Ahhhh vantuckykain, You beat me to it, but thanks for posting the real RCW. "If you dont feel safe in the park with out a gun, stay home." Well, maybe if you dont feel safe in the park with a lawabiding gun owner, than you should stay home.

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think said on February 22, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Please see the current article on King5.com entitled...Stabbing victim: 'I'm a lucky guy'. This is a real world example of why some us elect to take advantage of the protections allowed us under the law. This situation could have occured in the parking lot of a campsite in any park, including our huge, National Parks.

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vantuckykain said on February 22, 2010 at 12:11 PM

A permit is NOT required in Washington to carry openly or CONCEALED while engaging in a legal outdoor activity. http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.060 The provisions of RCW 9.41.050 shall not apply to: ( 8 ) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area

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spokanistan said on February 22, 2010 at 11:49 AM

If you think you need a gun in the parks to protect youself from wildlife, you shouldn't be in the parks in the first place.........

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yessir said on February 22, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Mike... sheesh... relax... people have a right to have an opinion different than your own and it doesn't necessarily make them ignorant, immature or hateful. I realize some of the comments made on these blogs aren't well thought out and some get quite emotional, but others pose valid concerns (whether you and I agree with those concerns or not). Regarding your comments on cops and soldiers... I suspect most people appreciate that both of these groups receive professional training in the use of firearms, both to make them more safe, and more effective. That's not to say there aren't many responsible civilian gun owners out there. I'm sure many are safe with their weapons, well trained in their effective use, and responsible in their ownership. Of course, there's no ultimate requirement that civilians HAVE to be safe, or effective, or responsible with their weapons and little accountability to that end, until something goes terribly wrong.

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mikewalking said on February 22, 2010 at 11:22 AM

The ignorance, hatered and immaturity expressed by many of those against this is appaling. But not surprising. The Anti 2nd Ammendment crowd has always relied on lies and unreasonable emotion. "Men who carry gun are not real men, but cowards"? So Cops and Soldiers are cowards, huh? What are Women who legally carry? Despite what King TV suggested with it's broadcast Target shooting will not be allowed, any kind of recreational shooting is banned. "Anyone carrying a gun has every intention of using it" ? Do you really think everyone who carries, either open or concealed with a Permit is a Psycho Killer? You need help. Grow up.

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nativeteacher said on February 22, 2010 at 11:11 AM

People, the crooks and bad guys were already bringing guns into the park, now the honest law abiding citizens can be armed as well.

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rickomatic said on February 22, 2010 at 11:11 AM

Carolyn said "....What idiot lawmaker decided it was cool to allow folks to carry in loaded weapons - ...." That idiot would be President Barack Hussein Obama. HE is the one who signed the bill. Granted, it was in the credit card bill, but he knew it. I'm sure it was on his teleprompter at some point. I doubt that he missed it. If he thought it was so bad, I'm sure he would have made some noise about it. But, guess what. He didn't. You know what they say. "Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while" Kudos to President Obama for standing up for freedom. Let's hope it becomes a habit with him. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

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butch70 said on February 22, 2010 at 10:52 AM

To carry guns in our National Parks is riduclous. I have worked at Yellowstone Park and saw no reason to carry an firearm while working there.

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elkbowhunter said on February 22, 2010 at 10:47 AM

anyone who is going to go into a park or anywhere else to shoot someone is going to carry a gun there regardless of the legality of it.

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elkbowhunter said on February 22, 2010 at 10:44 AM

tracer2009 may every idiot that cant handle a gun and is going to make a statement like that get eaten by a cougar.

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graham said on February 22, 2010 at 10:38 AM

More work of the nuts at NRA. Loaded guns in the parks more chance for some nut case to shoot someone

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tracer2009 said on February 22, 2010 at 9:39 AM

May every gun-toting Rambo fall in poison oak.

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tomahawk said on February 22, 2010 at 9:25 AM

it's about time!!!!

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r3ddy said on February 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM

dcstad64 - "Think of the children!" Great argument; never heard that one before. :-\ If you don't even know how a gun is holstered, don't try to create an argument that it could "fall out." You probably have a greater chance of being hit by lightning. Seriously, if that's your argument, how many times have you heard about that happening? I'm guessing zero. Whether you like it or not, you HAVE been around people who were carrying a concealed firearm. You just never knew it because they were responsible.

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duanesworld said on February 22, 2010 at 9:00 AM

Someone mentioned women wishing they had a gun in their back pack. Lets see; women get attacked by a deranged hiker, take back pack off back, open back pack, rummage around "I know it's here somewhere..." (while attacker awaits cue)

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duanesworld said on February 22, 2010 at 8:56 AM

Predict within 6 months the headlines will be announcing a gunfight in a Natl Park, sorta like "Gunfight over tent space at Hurricane Ridge!" "I'll Give you my fire pit, when you pry it from my cold, dead, hands." - Moses.

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dcstad64 said on February 22, 2010 at 8:30 AM

why do you need to take a gun to a park? why? if you feel like you're not safe out in public, then stay home. if you don't feel safe with little kids playing around, dogs chasing toys and such, then stay home. what were to happen if that "concealed weapon" happened to fall out of your jacket or holster or where ever, and a child picked it up? you know where that is going....

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carlconstantine said on February 22, 2010 at 8:24 AM

If you are ever in a National Park and a mountain lion or bear comes along, I sure hope that someone will be there with a large caliber handgun to shoot the beast off you! Otherwise, you'll probably be dead.

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yessir said on February 22, 2010 at 7:59 AM

I'll start this off by saying I'm not losing any sleep on this issue... but... when I'm at the gift shop at Paradise, and I see a park ranger or police officer (though I can ever recall seeing an on duty police officer there), carrying a firearm, I recognize that they've had psychological screening as part of their in-hire process, and I recognize that they've had training in how to safely use their weapon. Meanwhile... some other bloke with a bushy beard and a 44 mag hanging off his belt... well... I have no idea if he's had any psychological screening or weapons safety training. He might be a great guy... I dunno.... he might be handy with that gun.... I dunno.... or he might inadvertently shoot 4 bystanders while he was trying to plug the bad guy robbing the till. So.... before you arbitrarily dismiss everyone's concerns about everyone and anyone openly packing... we should probably recognize that there might be some understandable concerns about a guns galore sorta world

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aziza said on February 22, 2010 at 7:55 AM

trojan? faced with a grizzly, I would feel rather vulnerable with a handgun. This "simple minded fool" as you put it? Actually read the article and big game guns are not allowed in the parks. This is for handguns. Bears don't bother you as long as you don't get between a mother and her cub. A crafted and skilled hunter knows this. That is how come they only hunt what they plan to eat and can carry. Animals pretty much avoid humans at all costs- so it is obvious that you don't know much about the outdoors. 1000's of people walk the Pacific NW Trail annually and nobody or animals bother them. You are in more danger of hypothermia than an animal attack, and SKILLED hikers are prepared. They don't need a handgun.

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pdx97206 said on February 22, 2010 at 7:33 AM

If some of you people are going to stay away from national parks because someone might carry a gun, you might just consider staying home from everywhere. Since Washington and Oregon both have Concealed Carry Permit laws, you are going to be exposed to someone carrying a gun nearly everywhere you go. And if a gun isn't needed in a park, please go to a national park and let every park service and law enforcement officer you see know that they need to take their firearms home and leave them there. I'm sure they will be relieved to know that guns aren't necessary in parks....

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yessir said on February 22, 2010 at 5:38 AM

When do I get my right to bare bazookas? Bazookas are arms after all.

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copperheadcsa said on February 22, 2010 at 5:30 AM

Why carry a gun? A cop is too heavy.

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scott04 said on February 22, 2010 at 2:05 AM

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. George Bernard Shaw It is your responsibility to carry arms under the 2nd Amendment just because you have the right. A coward skulks away from responsibility. Not like a patriot who looks forward to their own independent contribution.

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w7rkd said on February 22, 2010 at 1:46 AM

For those who think that Bear Mace is a great idea, you go right on ahead while your hiking up in the Pasaytan Wilderness and spray that Capsasin in a 1000lb Silver tips face, the bear will just be happy that you spiced up his/her next meal because humans probably taste bland. Or do your shrink-thing and put your arm around the bear like it was your best friend and see if you could get a dialouge going and come to an agreement. If your against this passing of this law, then you condone the mauling and death of those in the past and that no one should be able to defend them selves in such a circumstance/s. I am sure these passive people have never been out in the bush up in Canada or Alaska nor do they even have knowlege of those places existing because of their narrow minds and lack of education, the combination of marajuana, burlap, and a shelterd life in the big cities has a way of doing that to a brain. I just pray that while I am out on the PCT that I don't find your body shredded.

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logic14 said on February 22, 2010 at 12:59 AM

I wish for one day all the people that carry concealed weapons carried them in view so all the liberals would see how many of us carry all the time which excapes thier notice. It is hard to see guns threw rose colored glasses. Many, amny people carry responsibly and that is why you don't know about it.

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scott04 said on February 22, 2010 at 12:40 AM

Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. Thomas Jefferson Guns obviously are for the protection of an individuals rights, good luck taking em!

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think said on February 22, 2010 at 12:33 AM

About time! Real men have always carried their firearms into the Frontier and that's exactly what a National Park is. Get into any type of trouble and 911 doesn't bring your local PD to the rescue. The anti-gun crowd is just misinformed as usual. In this case they want to believe our massive national Parks are just a fairly-tale land of 'you go', 'no you go guys'! Sorry Charlie, simply isn't so. Maybe Walla-Walla, wine-wine, woman-woman will be sitting there having a glass Chardonay and some chesse-and-crackers, right...wrong! I won't bothe ryou in the Park, so don't bother me. If you do, well that's going to be another story.

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collegeguy said on February 22, 2010 at 12:06 AM

@bartender57, I have to agree with you pointing out to carolyn11110000 how stupid her post was, her post was one of the MOST unintelligent comments I have EVER seen. If you don't like guns, tough. They are a protected RIGHT given to us by the Constitution of the United States. Maybe the reason it was put in the Constitution is not as valid as it used to be but there is a reason for it. And no, I do not own a gun other than my pellet rifle. I do not hunt. But yes, I know how to use guns and have shot my share. And no, I am not a gun-toting, NRA card carrying republican.

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persuader590 said on February 22, 2010 at 12:04 AM

LIsten folks, carrying a gun into the widerness is no different than carrying a first aid kit, space blanket,or an emergency beacon. It's basic survival gear for those who actually leave the visitor center parking lot. There are two and four legged predators out there. Just look at the recent mountain lion attacks in California or the rash of rapes and murders on the appalacian trail for examples. Those of you who feel so threatened by your fellow citizens exercise of their second amendment rights should probably stick to the REI clinics, because reality is obvciously too much for you to handle. Stick with your bear bells and pepper spray and I will pack a trusty magnum revolver thank you very much.

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collegeguy said on February 21, 2010 at 11:59 PM

It is so awesome to see a semi-real discusion taking place. However, I laugh my behind off at the anti-gun people posting because they are so funny with their phobias of the only people carrying the guns are those who intend to use them.. but of course they are going to use them to protect themselves if need be. Most of the people who would carry them would NOT use them but for maybe target practice, which is still illegal and dangerous. They will use them to make themselves feel safer, which is an honest need out in the woods if you were to run into a hungry animal, or a momma bear, or something to that effect. My favorite line those from the article is the statement of "the parks being one of the safest places in America, ... crime is almost unheard of..." Why is this funny? Because inside the park itself, it is mostly honest people hiking, but in the parking spot were you left your car, more than a few people have had their cars broken into while you are off hiking...

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131313bpg said on February 21, 2010 at 11:50 PM

It baffles me why so many people cry about this. It's not a big deal. So many people are so anti-gun, yet they completely fail to think about the Founding Fathers who demanded that we be able to carry weapons for our protection. It's so funny that there are so many people who think that the 2nd Amendment is so terrible, but they'll jump right on the 1st and 5th Amendments every chance they get. I'll stick with the Founding Fathers on this. And for those of you who aren't aware that we have a State Constitution, or have never read it, scope out Article 1, Section 24. (Page 7 / Rev 2-08). "The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired." I'll carry my .45 and I'm not going to bother you with it. The problem here is that no one seems to want to disarm a cougar, or a bear. They are armed with teeth and huge claws; I'm just leveling the playing field. They mind their business, I'll mind mine.

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bigdave55 said on February 21, 2010 at 11:41 PM

roberthartman I stand corrected in Washington State Open or Concealed with a permit is allowed. CREDIT CARD ACCOUNTABILITY RESPONSIBILITY AND DISCLOSURE ACT OF 2009 SEC. 512. PROTECTING AMERICANS FROM VIOLENT CRIME. Approved May 22, 2009. (8)(b)(2) the possession of the firearm is in compliance with the law of the State in which the unit of the National Park System

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elkbowhunter said on February 21, 2010 at 11:31 PM

aziza carring the right handgun will kill a bear.but forget the bears im more worried about a cougar.since their population is on the rise and has been since our wonderful state decicde to get rid of hound hunting.they are more likely to attack you than a bear.and even a small pistol will take them down.any of you who think this is a bad idea go hike up a trail and have a cat jump out and maul you then you would wish you had a gun to protect yourself.

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oregonn8tive said on February 21, 2010 at 11:20 PM

I request anyone who is against the 2nd amendment to please post a sign saying something to that effect. That way I will not have to go out of my way to protect you if need be. In all reality, I read a lot of phobia here in these "opinions" that do not make any sense. I/we who do carry do not infringe on any of your 1st amendment rights even while you spread uncalled for fear amongst the rest of the people who read these articles. We will still let you spout and show your ignorance.

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sixgun_symphony said on February 21, 2010 at 10:42 PM

The hoplophobes are going into a meltdown. I love it! Now we just got to change the law to allow hunting on the parks. It is a way for the Park system to pay for itself rather than be a tax burden.

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robertlhartman said on February 21, 2010 at 10:20 PM

bigdave55 you state this "new law" stating concealment only, could you please reverence it with a link to the actual law. I am interested in seeing it. For some reason I do not believe any new law states that one must conceal any firearm. But I am open to new news and ask for proof of this new law you speak of. thanks.

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bigdave55 said on February 21, 2010 at 9:59 PM

machinehead you are incorrect as to citing RCW 9.41.050 Carrying Firearms, the wording I believe you are referencing is (2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol IN ANY VEHICLE unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol Note IN ANY VEHICLE is it legal in Washington State to Open Carry and the Carry in the Federal Parks is Concealed Carry thus the Concealed Pistol License.

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bigdave55 said on February 21, 2010 at 9:53 PM

robertlhartman the new law requires you to conceal carry, thus in Washington a Concealed Pistol License is required.

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bigdave55 said on February 21, 2010 at 9:51 PM

This new law provides for those license to carry a concealed firearm in their State to carry in National Parks but not in the Federal Buildings and they will be posted. These people have past a background check into a criminal and psychological backgrounds which is more then I can say for some of the idiotic posters here. We are not looking for trouble nor are we cowards to take on such a grave responsibility so if required at some point we will have a chance to protect ourselves or others with us. Those on the trails and an animal attacks, you have children with you, who is the bait? It will not be me as I would put an end to the threat protecting myself and those with me. Should I just ignore when I come around the corner and you are cornered by a wacko attacking you? You make the choice, but do yourself a favor and at least be honest. It will be highly unlikely you will ever know someone is carrying concealed as required.

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bartender57 said on February 21, 2010 at 9:48 PM

@carolyn11110000 - It was those stupid idiots that drafted the Constitution, you know John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and all those crazy Colonials that wanted to break away from the motherland. I can only imagine the gun lobby back in those days, it must have had a stranglehold on the Founding Fathers. The only idiot I see here Carolyn is you because you don't seem to have learned much in US History. You see as Americans we have the RIGHT to bear arms. What is it that scares you about Law Abiding citizens carrying guns? Do you think criminals would NOT carry guns if there was a law prohibiting it? If you think National Parks aren't safe any more then stay home.

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trojan33 said on February 21, 2010 at 9:21 PM

mlloyd- No, it simply means that there are bears out there. And only a great fool would not take a weapon with them. Jesus. Don't people read the paper. Or have common sense anymore.

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organdonor said on February 21, 2010 at 8:50 PM

I've always taken my gun into the National Parks when it was illegal. I don't venture into the woods without a handgun period. I never worried about getting caught because I didn't take a gun to show off or act ignorant. I took a gun in case I ran into a wild animal or even worse a crazy person. Do you read the news? There seems to be an increasing supply of nuts out there. Also if I ever got lost or injured I figure a gunshot can be heard from a good distance. Firing a shot into the air or ground every few hours could let a search party know your alive. Not to mention if I were severely lost I would have a better chance to obtain food. I guess either way this bill doesn't matter to me. I've never thought twice about anyway.

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trolg said on February 21, 2010 at 8:43 PM

You may well be perfectly safe with a dozen other people on a paved trail, but there are places in National Parks where there are no trails and no other people for miles and miles. The only people this will have any effect on is people who obey the law, the bad guys had guns all the time, you just didn't know it. Remember a couple of years back when two Women were shot hiking in the woods? Bet they were wishing one of them had a gun in their backpack. Carrying a gun is a right we have in this country, some people don't like it, but then some people don't like it that you have freedom of speach either, now both are legal in National Parks, just like a lot of othere rights you enjoy. Dosen't bother me at all, and if you ever need help in the woods, that hiker with a pistol in his pocket will probably be your new best friend. Larry

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trojan33 said on February 21, 2010 at 8:20 PM

aziza- Obviously, you don't know much about the lethality of handguns. Some people only hunt large game with handguns. But, no one here said anything about only carrying a handgun to shoot a bear anyway. And to 21leea82 it is simple minded fools like you that have to be saved from dangerous situations and later say "Gee, I never thought that could happen". How about I make it my life's work to keep people like you out of parks so I don't have to patch you up later.

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nogunsever said on February 21, 2010 at 8:16 PM

This is an inexcusable decision and simply reflects the power of the gun lobby everywhere. Why would anyone need a gun in the National Parks? It is completely bogus reasoning that the "hunting is still not allowed" clause will have ANY effect on those who bring guns into parks. People who carry guns will ALWAYS want something to shoot at-- be it deer, squirrel or (oops) person. Why else carry them? Oh, to protect themselves from all those 'dangerous' hikers?

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aziza said on February 21, 2010 at 8:03 PM

Shoot a bear with a hand gun? You'll only make him angry! Then what will you do? Also has anyone considered what this does for "homeland security"? Does that mean next we get to carry guns on the Washington Mall?

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inforelife said on February 21, 2010 at 8:00 PM

Careful, You'll shoot your eye out!

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ddw3579 said on February 21, 2010 at 7:59 PM

Even my wife who is not a fan of guns thinks this is a common sense law. She says, "Why shouldn't you have a gun? There are bears and moose out there that will charge and kill you."

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carolyn11110000 said on February 21, 2010 at 7:57 PM

Gawd--- how stupid is this law. What idiot lawmaker decided it was cool to allow folks to carry in loaded weapons - no doubt a legislator with a gun lobbyist in his pocket. Jerks in congress/house

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morganthomas said on February 21, 2010 at 7:55 PM

Old news.Been doing it since 1956.Hey "lee21",It is not matter of being an aggressor. It is a matter of protection from an animal or a human. Nutsos travel in the parks just like they do in Cleveland or Boston or the Grand Canyon.

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mlloyd said on February 21, 2010 at 7:53 PM

Quote " trojan33 said on February 21, 2010 at 4:39 PM Duh. Bears do their thing in the woods. So you might run into one." So you mean that if an armed hiker runs into the Bear taking a poop, you shoot it? I highly doubt the law is going to have any effect whatsoever. The people that wanted their guns in the past, probably carried it anyway despite the law preventing it.

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21leea82 said on February 21, 2010 at 7:43 PM

Anybody who thinks they have to cart a gun around everywhere is a real coward and NOT a man. How about not trying to scare everyone with a gun and just take a picnic lunch and be decent in the park- go for a hike- stop looking for trouble. I will do everything I can to see if we can keep guns out of parks.

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robertlhartman said on February 21, 2010 at 7:33 PM

machinehead I am sorry you misunderstood the law. It states, from http://apps.leg.wa.gov/Rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.050 "(1)(a) Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, a person shall not carry a pistol concealed on his or her person without a license to carry a concealed pistol." The law only pertains to "concealed". Open carry (not concealed) without a permit is not against Washington State law.

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bigmedicine said on February 21, 2010 at 7:21 PM

I am very pleased to see this finally happen. Chalk one up for freedom lovers.

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smiget said on February 21, 2010 at 7:15 PM

I guess I won't be going to any National Parks soon. Anyone carrying a gun, permit or not, has every intention of using it. Should they shoot someone, it should automatically be considered "first degree assault or murder!"

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persuader590 said on February 21, 2010 at 6:50 PM

Machinehead, if you actually READ the RCW you linked to, you'll see it applies to CONCEALED handguns and carrying in a vehicle. Washington is an OPEN CARRY state, meaning it's perfectly legal to carry a firearm in plain view while in public, without a permit

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phaedrus said on February 21, 2010 at 6:48 PM

The law simply defers to state and local laws. It does not change the federal restriction on the use of firearms or hunting in national parks. Those are still illegal. It just means that if you are out travelling you don't have to check your gun at the door (so to speak). However it doesn't bar a state or local jurisdiction from banning guns in the park.

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machinehead said on February 21, 2010 at 6:38 PM

@ robertlhartman: Not true... http://apps.leg.wa.gov/Rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.050 if you are carrying a weapon out in the open, you must have a permit to carry concealed.

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skippypotpiebaby said on February 21, 2010 at 6:10 PM

Oh boy Bears,Beers, Bigfoot & Guns Life can;t get no better then that!!

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hippiegirl said on February 21, 2010 at 5:43 PM

No smoking dagnabit, but don't forget the firearms! Just good ol' family fun in the outdoors!

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trojan33 said on February 21, 2010 at 5:39 PM

Duh. Bears do their thing in the woods. So you might run into one.

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yogibear said on February 21, 2010 at 5:27 PM

Let the games begin

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taxdollarsponge said on February 21, 2010 at 5:10 PM

Its ok Sue,there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

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robertlhartman said on February 21, 2010 at 5:10 PM

I don't see why the article says "Anyone with a permit". Washington State law does not require a permit as long as you are open carrying in a holster that is not concealed. But the instant you make it not visible is where you need the concealed weapons permit. I do wonder if it is now legal to discharge firearms within the park as well? For target practicing and such.

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