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Wash. officer shootings may lead to new laws

Wash. officer shootings may lead to new laws

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Wash. officer shootings may lead to new laws

by Associated Press

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Posted on December 26, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Updated Sunday, Dec 27 at 12:14 PM

OLYMPIA, Wash. - The murders of five police officers and this week's shooting of two more have lawmakers thinking about more than a looming budget deficit as they prepare to return to the state capital in January.

A handful of bills sparked by the recent shootings have already been prefiled in advance of next month's start of the 60-day legislative session, and more are expected.

Gov. Chris Gregoire has called on law-enforcement groups to meet next week to compile a list of potential changes to state law, policy or the state constitution, and to meet with her on Jan. 8. And one lawmaker already has a public hearing scheduled to discuss the circumstances surrounding one of the shootings.

"The bottom line is we owe it to our law enforcement personnel to do everything we can to make sure they're safe and secure out there," Gregoire said in a phone interview with The Associated Press.

"When you have a tragedy of this magnitude, you've really got to be thoughtful, you've really got to be deliberate," she said. "Your impulse is to just go enact legislation, but good intentions don't necessarily bring about good results. So I defer to those who have boots on the ground."

The rash of shootings began in October, when Seattle Officer Timothy Brenton was killed as he sat in his patrol car Halloween night. Christopher Monfort, 41, has been charged with aggravated first-degree murder in Brenton's death.

Less than a month later, four Lakewood police officers were shot and killed at a coffee shop before their shift. After a two-day manhunt, suspect Maurice Clemmons was shot to death by a Seattle police officer.

After those shootings, Rep. Chris Hurst, D-Enumclaw, announced he was going to hold a public hearing to look into why Clemmons was out on the streets in the first place.

Hurst, chairman of the House Public Safety Committee and a retired police officer, said that his hearing, planned for Jan. 18, will examine every aspect of the Clemmons case.

"These are horrifically shocking crimes to the public at large and we need to have some answers," he said. "What are some of the factors that caused this to occur? What are some things we can do to make sure this never happens again?"

Clemmons had a criminal history in both Washington and Arkansas. His 108-year prison sentence for armed robbery and other offenses was commuted by then-Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee in 2000. Six days before the shooting, he had posted bail on charges of raping a child, a charge that could have potentially put him in prison for life under Washington state's "three-strikes" law.

Rep. Mike Hope, a Republican from Lake Stevens and a Seattle police officer, has introduced a bill to change the state constitution to exempt potential three-strike offenders like Clemmons from being able to post bail.

"If they're facing life in prison they have nothing to lose," he said.

Another measure, sponsored by Rep. Troy Kelley, D-Tacoma, would exempt people from bail if they are potentially dangerous and had a prior felony sentence commuted or pardoned by a governor of any state.

Kelley also has introduced a bill that would waive all tuition and fees at state colleges for children of police officer or firefighters who die or become totally disabled while in the line of duty.

The most recent shootings were on Monday night, when two sheriff's officers were shot after they were called to a domestic disturbance at a home near Eatonville.

The officers killed the gunman before they were rushed to the hospital. Sgt. Nick Hausner, 43, is in serious condition at Madigan Army Medical Center near Tacoma, and Deputy Kent Mundell, 44, is in critical condition in the intensive-care unit at Seattle's Harborview Medical Center.

Doug Honig, a spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union of Washington, said that his organization will look at all of the proposals that are filed in the wake of the shootings.

"Our concern would be measures that are proposals that sound tough, but in practice won't do much to make us safer, but will restrict people's rights," he said.

Don Pierce, executive director of the Washington Association of Sheriffs & Police Chiefs, said that with lawmakers facing a $2.6 billion projected deficit, cuts to things like mental health treatment and community services could hinder any measure that is passed.

"If we don't have the money to fix those things, let's not make ourselves feel good by passing legislation that doesn't do anything," he said.

Pierce, whose group is among those meeting with Gregoire next month, said he hopes everyone can come to a consensus about what can be done to improve the system, and that the Legislature will act.

"If all of that happens, then something good will come of this," he said. "It certainly doesn't undo the tragedy. If we don't take the opportunity to learn from these sorts of things, we've really missed the boat."

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The "Lakewood Law Enforcement Memorial Act" bills are HJR 4213 and 4214. The tuition bill is HB 2479.

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Comments: Displaying 1 - 15 of 21

factoid said on December 28, 2009 at 10:13 AM

We don't need more laws, we need to tighten and enforce the ones we already have. When we have Judges with bad judgement and pinhead bureaucrats making bad decisions during the parole process, what is the good of more laws?

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stryker said on December 28, 2009 at 6:37 AM

New laws aren't going to do much if the justice system fails in the first place. Clemons should not haven been on the street! They should execute this other guy they have for the first shooting. I don't want to pay for his life and medical expenses!

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fghdgh said on December 28, 2009 at 6:25 AM

Build more prisons??? We should be so lucky, Where do you suppose the money will come from? Perhaps you think your idiot governor will provide it? Yeah, right. All she's gonna do is cut programs for seniors and disabled so she can provide for your wonderful tunnel. Thing is tho', I don't see your lowering her wages. lollololo

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emily_litella said on December 28, 2009 at 2:02 AM

@mitch22 Yep, if everyone is armed, they will think twice. Seem radical? Think about it. You would sure as hell be less likely to try to rob someone KNOWING they ARE armed wouldn't you.

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reb362 said on December 27, 2009 at 6:53 PM

How about 3 strikes and your executed? Obviously these offenders are just a hazard to society, we need to get rid of them for the sake of civilized society. Plus, once their dead we won't have to worry about paroling them! Yes, I firmly believe that executing murderers, rapists, and child molesters is far more civilized than the current status quo of punishing the victims and weeping for the criminals.

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leprekhaun said on December 27, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Its all about manipulation of the masses. Its all a matter of what the News reports on that will get the public outraged and demand action. Lets say if the all the "news" stations had breaking news coverage of thousands of people dying every year from cigarette smoke, the people would demand action. Lets just hope major corporations dont manage to get a monopoly on our information resources.... As far as im concerned Police officers know the risks of their job before they respond to a call. They should also know that especially their job, when confronting American citizens and enforcing laws that come down from the capitol is a very dangerous job in the land of the gun. I think its importaint to understand that when we hear of these police shootings that we must realize there are two sides to every story, and as I mentioned before the Job of a police officer is a dangerous one especially when you deal with peoples civil liberties and personal freedoms.

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billwa99 said on December 27, 2009 at 12:47 PM

While new laws may or may not be beneficial. I feel (especially in the last shooting, involving the domestic affair) police procedures need to be investigated. According to the news report, there were two officers dispatched, they initially received the suspect at the door and then let him go, unsupervised to his upstairs room to pack. my question is why was he allowed to do this? Why was he trusted? Either he should have been removed from the residence (taken outside and searched) while his relatives delivered his belongings; or he should have been followed and watched by one of the officers while he packed, I prefer the first choice.

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butch70 said on December 27, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Enough said. New laws don't change a thing and offenders will commit more crimes.

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excoastie said on December 27, 2009 at 9:28 AM

Well said clydehill.

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denismenis said on December 27, 2009 at 7:47 AM

(con't) - budgets should again focus on public safety (cops and judicial administration). Pierce County cut out one judge position with the resignation of Hecht in an embarrassing spitting match between the Exec and Council. We deserve better than the chest thumping, folks.

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denismenis said on December 27, 2009 at 7:44 AM

Try these on: it's time to not have to worry about honoring "no-bail" holds from other states - if a "no-bail" hold was issued, the other state should have the right to honor that fact that there WAS ONE, not dependent on the other state to keep it active. make a "no-bail" hold on the third strike offense. I agree with the statement that a criminal facing that has "nothing to lose" atitude and may be a motive for doing something more heinous. Refine "third strike" offenses to violent crimes against people to focus on incarcerating those who jeopardize public safety. Look at the prison population and find (a) how many we lock up for minor drug offenses. Clear the stoned and stupid from prison to make room for violent offenders and find other punitive measures. At the increase rate of incarceration, every other one of us will be imprisoned by 2040.

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clydehill said on December 27, 2009 at 5:14 AM

New law number one: enforce existing laws.

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mitch22 said on December 27, 2009 at 3:47 AM

What needs to be proposed is a bill that will require all households to be Armed with at least a high caliber handgun... Like a .38 or .45... Of course with background checks and concealed permits... If the customers / owner of the coffee shop had been armed, we might be talking about these tragedies in a different light... ( Like no friendly's were killed)... Look at Kennesaw GA... They passed a law in 1982 requiring gun ownership. There has never been a murder since... Just think if a criminal is walking around in Wash. DC or Detroit or Orange County, CA, do you think they are going to follow the gun ban laws?Yeah right... An Armed society is a polite society... If a Criminal has his eyes set on shooting people, he might think twice if he KNOWS that everyone for the most part around him is ARMED... It's common sense, and nobody in this country can figure it out, except in GA... Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world... Guess why... http://www.rense.com/general9/gunlaw.h

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littledude said on December 27, 2009 at 2:25 AM

how about you kill every criminal!

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winginhack said on December 26, 2009 at 11:56 PM

People are quick to pass new laws to lock people up, but we have plenty of current laws on the books to use. Also, the public is not willing to pay for these new laws. Ask any police officer how many times a month the jail is closed because it is full. The courts have ruled they can't over crowd the jails, which means if you let one in, another must be released. We have to be willing to pay for additional jails, additional prosecutors & judges along with the additional police officers. The general public will not do this, but they still want their entitlement of feeling safe.

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kingsolver1000rr said on December 26, 2009 at 10:52 PM

All the bills mentioned, seem reasonable to me. Also need something more painful for the scum of the earth that aid the criminals. I sure hope the current few- don't get away with what they have done.

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carlconstantine said on December 26, 2009 at 10:42 PM

The criminal just system In the State of Washington operates on the "Cash is King" model. Maurice Clemmons posted BAIL. So basically it doesn't matter if you are a danger to society, if you can raise a large amount of cash in order to pay into the system, it doesn't matter how dangerous you are... In fact, the criminal justice system does not serve the interest justice. It serves the interest of money. If you are unable to raise enough money to mount a proper defense, you always lose, even if you're innocent. In Washington you can be arrested based on the testimony of someone else, even if there is not a shred of evidence to support their claim. You will sit in jail for several weeks and if it is determined that the person LIED on a police report in a personal vendetta against you, they will not be charged. This happens more often than you think... Women in this area often call the police and report that their husbands or boyfriends threatened them in order to have them arrested.

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kenpomaster said on December 26, 2009 at 9:56 PM

Build more prisons! Keep the violators and criminals in there for a long long time.

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sumner_son said on December 26, 2009 at 7:22 PM

The question is, will changing or adding new laws really change anything? Laws are followed by law-abiding citizens, not criminals. I have no doubt that new laws will be passed, there will be plenty of photo-ops, smiles and handshakes all around in the feel-good sessions at the legislature. But will any of it really make a difference? No. Case-in point, we already have numerous laws concerning drinking and driving, killing people while drunk, etc., etc. If those laws were truly effective, why are we still reading about a death caused by a drunk driver practically every week, not to mention the myriad collisions caused by drunk drivers? In this state of Washington in 2008, there were roughly 200 fatalities as a result of drunk drivers. That's roughly 4 a week! How many this year??? Once again I ask, WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE? Where are the 20,000 people gathering at the Tacoma Dome to feel THAT loss? When are we going to stop the carnage of drunk drivers killing our citizens?

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noskills said on December 26, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Apparently Clemmon's had a warrant out for his arrest in Arkansas but his name wasn't filed in a particular database that is available to all law enforcement around the country. And if you listen to interviews with Huckabee I can kind of understand his logic for commuting the sentence. He was going off the advice of the prison board or something like that. This stuff is done all the time and it doesnt always blow up in our faces. All any of us can do is our very best and hope that that is good enough. Unfortunately, sometimes our best isn't good enough. Our legal system is far from perfect but we are not perfect so to expect the legal system to be perfect is a bit naive. It is really easy to pass judgment about what happened after the fact. Lets try to learn from the mistakes that were made here and move on.

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creole1953 said on December 26, 2009 at 3:37 PM

If they can pass the laws, or tighten current ones, to keep violent offenders behind bars then I am onboard. I still cannot understand why a dude facing 108 years in prison would even be considered for commutation! And it seems the justice system here had their chance with Clemmons, but he posted bail and was released. He should have never been allowed to post bail, or even be considered for bail. And the more recent shooting of two officers, from what I hear about this Cable nut, how he could have access to his daughter. Just craziness....I know you cannot deny individual rights, but something has to be done.

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