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Man dead in officer-involved shooting in Federal Way

by OWEN LEI / KING 5 News

KING5.com

Posted on December 19, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Updated Sunday, Dec 20 at 11:01 AM

FEDERAL WAY, Wash. – Police are investigating after a shooting involving a Des Moines Police officer occurred on Saturday afternoon.

"I was very scared, I'm still nervous right now," said Antonio Paz, who was at the nearby Revolution Cafe when the shooting occurred in the same shopping center. "It was like four or five shots, and i didn't know where the shots came from."

The shooting happened just after 3pm Saturday near the intersection of S 272nd Street and Pacific Highway South.

But the incident actually began about three blocks away with a domestic violence call at a home in the 27000 block of 15th Ave S. A 47-year old woman and other witnesses there told police the woman's boyfriend, who lives with her, assaulted her with a gun.

"He had pointed a handgun at her and had actually left on foot before the officers actually arrived," said Commander Stan McCall with Federal Way Police. 

Two Des Moines officers found the man, described as a 40-year old Filipino male in the strip mall south of S 272nd Street, across city lines, said investigators.  They confronted him, ordering him to the ground, but the man refused to comply, McCall said.

"They knew he was possibly armed, and in fact he pulled a firearm and pointed it at them, and they fired," said McCall.

The man died at the scene.  The two officers were not injured.

The King County medical examiner will perform an autopsy and officially identify the man. The two Des Moines officers are being put on paid administrative leave, while a separate agency, Federal Way Police, conducts the investigation. McCall said part of the investigation will determing if the suspect fired first, or at all, and if one or both officers discharged their weapons.

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chgofam said on December 28, 2009 at 11:38 AM

thank you smhr 141/holynight! like what you said, nobody really knows exactly what happened that day...was there really a gun? if there was, was he pointing the gun at the officers or was it pointing up to show he was surrendering? nobody knows that for sure..we were not there to see it live...life is really tough right now especially with the economy. we have no right to be judging anybody...we are here to learn from it. emil was a family man ...a man just like anybody else who makes mistakes. why are people crucifying him and his family also? my family are professionals who saves lives on a daily basis(a lot of us work in the hospitals) we do a lot of volunteer work especially for the bone marrow foundation....also hoping to save more lives.... and yes, we're emil's family! honestahol, for a professional, you know you should think first before you say anything...well, maybe you've never made a mistake ever; enjoy your perfect life....yeah right!

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smhr141 said on December 23, 2009 at 2:36 PM

XLITTLEGIRL AND XEUPHORIC-LET ME TALK DIRECTLY TO YOU: I want to tell you first that I am sorry for your loss! What happened between your father and the police is a tragedy all the way around. I will not make any assumptions about who was right and who was wrong. I have read the comments here and it appears that both sides have often been harsh in sharing their feelings. Please pay no attention to the things that are said here. The important thing here is that you have lost a father. I am a firm believer that every negative thing that happens in our life is an opportunity to learn so what will you learn from this? Here is my hope for you: I hope you learn that no matter what anyone says, your dad is the person you believe he is! And I hope you learn that there are good and bad people everywhere.. in every profession but it is important not to lose faith. My prayers are with you and your family as well as the officers that had to make a snap decision. May God be with you all.

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shadowstorm said on December 22, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Whatever...

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holynight said on December 22, 2009 at 9:41 PM

We should not judge anyone but to be able to resolve the issue. Emil sounds like a great person and his family, lets not make it harder for his family to move on during christmas without a father. We all make mistakes so it was just a accident due to the sad weather we have here in Washington and the poor economy. Its just a lesson to be learn carrying a gun during this time when officers has been killed and who knows what can happen. Stay safe and wish this world a better place.

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jonapallo said on December 22, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Fair_guy, for a guy who's so fair, you should consider asking your question in a more polite way. Go ahead and be a tough guy over the internet. Find out where the funeral is and tell my grandmother to shut up to her face. Yeah. That's what I thought. Problem with the internet is that it gives people a false sense of testicular fortitude. judgedredd, you may be a minority but I appreciate your voice in this manner. It's nice that some people have compassion towards the mourning. donaldduck, Emil used to do the BEST impression of you. Always made me laugh.

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donaldduck said on December 22, 2009 at 2:43 PM

guess NOT.

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fair_guy said on December 22, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Gee, does this woman ever shut up?

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jeank said on December 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Honestahol: For your information, Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ, our Savior., It is not a celebration of the death of someone. It is not partying and bragging your 2 cents ideas. And do you know the meaning of your name in our language? Barking. Stop barking! You are cold, ignorant and insensitive. Emil is not a murderer, rapist or a thief. He did not deserve to be shot 10 times! Thieves who rub banks, rapist who rape young children and murdering innocent child perhaps deserve 10 shots. But not Emil who stayed away to cool down and walking at the shopping mall and suddenly was subdued by cops and killed him without mercy. We will be in funeral for Emil instead of having a feast with my children but we still thank God for giving us Emil for 40 years. We enjoyed him and have a lot of precious memories.about him.

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holynight said on December 22, 2009 at 2:32 AM

This shooting shook-up everyone mostly all the women. I can't believe the spirit of Christmas has turn too serious a sad one for families. This season alot of people died to show that Christmas is all about love and goods. Wish everyone a happy holiday and a better year. xlittlegirl just no that your father will always be there for u and only u as a woman can make a difference for your family. The christmas forgiveness reach out to show ur supports to the community. We can still make it work 1 week left countdown till christmas. hohoho

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judge_dredd said on December 21, 2009 at 11:28 PM

Shut up, everybody. I'M THE LAW!!!!!! honestahol is right in many ways, but he was being slightly sadistic toward other people's tragedy. And so-called family members were busy defending the dead man and blaming cops for firing many shots. Even so-called the girlfriend defended the guy who assaulted her with a gun. Let the law enforcement investigate this and come up with the result. In the mean time, let's try to enjoy Christmas. And the family members, try to have a good funeral. Until next time, good night and good bye. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Peace! - Judge Dredd -

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jefflee said on December 21, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Yep, they're living in denial.

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bigmeanie said on December 21, 2009 at 9:35 PM

I think the family and friends of the deceased hates honestahol because truth hurts... Sometimes, you have to restrain yourself from telling the truth because of people like this...

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honestahol said on December 21, 2009 at 9:05 PM

mr_cnn, tell that to yourself because I know you're exactly that. Oh, I forgot: what you think is not important. Read all the comment again and find out who started making a personal attack involving friends. Okay, kid?

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honestahol said on December 21, 2009 at 8:55 PM

I'm also married, and my wife can anger me from time to time. That's called a relationship. But what I NEVER do is assaulting a defenseless woman. Especially with a deadly weapon. The perp was a sick SOB. Just admit it. Do not deny it. And to you, Mr_CNN, I know you're a piece of cr%&.

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honestahol said on December 21, 2009 at 8:50 PM

All the supporters of the deceased love to engage in personal attack. Once again, stick to the issue. If he just kept his gun in his pocket and cooperated with police, he would have been home safe and sound. I understand some emotional guys can lose their cools. That's fine. Just don't cross the point of no return. Period.

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honestahol said on December 21, 2009 at 8:44 PM

@mr_snn(street news network): You only think so because you're a piece of c%$p! Let's stick to the issue. The perp has made a wrong choice. That's what got him shot and killed. You got that, piece of shiatt on the sidewalk in front of your ghetto house!

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__m96__ said on December 21, 2009 at 3:33 PM

any trophy pictures like maurice clemmons they make great christmas cards!

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kenpomaster said on December 21, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Suddenly, I remember the family members of Maurice Clemmons.... I don't know why...

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mr_cnn said on December 21, 2009 at 3:18 PM

I think its sad to hear people celebrate a man getting shot. Its really pathetic and I hope nobody's clanking beers at this news. Especially at a "Christmas Party". It sounds like "honestahol" and "sumithryo" would be one of them. And to put down the deceased family, or rub this incident in their faces on this msg board is really, really low. honestahol - I don't care if you ride the coat tails of your lawyer friends or think you've catapulted your self to a new status in society over those relationships. Really? really? Do I care you know lawyers? I'm friends with lawyers and proffessionals... so what?! You sound like a piece of cra$#% to me. Its Christmas, let's celebrate peace and hope everyone stays safe.

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honestahol said on December 21, 2009 at 3:03 PM

jeank said ----> honestahol: I bet you must be one of the killers or friend or relative of the killers. I feel sorry for you because this murder will haunt you for the rest of your life. Well, jeank, i guess you're calling the cops the killers. I don't have any cop friend or relative. AND I'M NOT A COP, EITHER. I'm just a law abiding citizen just like many others. Yes, I'll have a merry Christmas with my friends and family. And you'll have to go to a funeral. But it's the dead moron's fault. He's made a stupid decision and a dangerous decision. Do not blame cops or accuse me of being close to cops. I'm actually mad at cops because I find them very lazy and stupid. I wish they catch more criminals, but they don't. That's why I'm mad at them. But, in this case, they did everything correctly. Best of all, they didn't become a victim of another homicidal maniac with a gun. I'm really glad for that. So stop making fun of yourself, him, or your entire family.

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jeank said on December 21, 2009 at 1:56 PM

honestahol: I bet you must be one of the killers or friend or relative of the killers. I feel sorry for you because this murder will haunt you for the rest of your life.Shooting someone 6 more times after shooting the person 4 times in my book is murder. Someday, his death will be vindicated. He not only ;had professional friends but he also had a lot of highly educated and successful family. Some of his friends might be poor, but this is just to show you how kind he was. All I asked of you is to be supportive and compassionate to his family,but you just keep on attacking not only him but his whole family. Don't feel sorry for me. Feel sorry for yourself, because you know the saying: you reap what you sow?

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jkd_expert said on December 21, 2009 at 1:47 PM

well...the way i see it...............DARWIN'S LAW#4958585777373

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xeuphoric said on December 21, 2009 at 1:47 PM

you have to remember he had a family and children. I.E, Me and my sister. Stop trolling, fellas. I put way too much faith in humanity these days and people like you set my expectations back down. Congrats, go home, have a good Christmas with your family, I have a funeral to go to. Honestly, not your place to judge.

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honestahol said on December 21, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Believe me. I'm kind to all the less fortunate who don't commit any crime and who don't use violence to others. But I'm very strict toward criminals or criminal wanna bes. I've lost a close friend of mine due to a gun violence. So do not ask me to show any compassion to your boyfriend.

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judge_dredd said on December 21, 2009 at 1:35 PM

well said, honest a hol.

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honestahol said on December 21, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Oh my god, what is wrong with these people! Hey, Onelimeloved, I didn't say all the educated professionals are crime free. Do not put words in my mouth. I said clearly all my friends are law-abiding citizens plus educated professionals. You got that? Man, when i read this story, I really felt sorry for you. Now, I really don't. Because now I realized you two are made for each other!

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jefflee said on December 21, 2009 at 1:23 PM

@onelimeloved--------NO, NO, NO! I am the girlfriend of the deceased! Stop posing.

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onelimeloved said on December 21, 2009 at 1:22 PM

@honestahol, It probably means you're better at getting away with it. I am a professional myself but I do not have the mentality you do. I was raised not to be judgmental and be kind to others. Which seems like values a professional like yourself never should have learned growing up.

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onelimeloved said on December 21, 2009 at 1:16 PM

I am the girlfriend of the deceased and my only wish is for you all to stop making assumptions, I lived with him, loved him, and in return he had loved me back. It was a terrible situation and I wish it never happened. Please respect the fact that he's gone and what happened was strictly between the two of us. So, I wish you keep all your assumptions to yourself because believe me, you have no clue. You weren't in the situation, I was. He was a great man and loved his family. So, to all making these cruel comments about him, please shut up. I loved this man with all my heart, regardless. I'm sure you all are gonna be judging me, too. But I want to know, who all made you God to judge anybody? To @honestahol, I wish you'd keep your comments to yourself. Just because you and your friends are so-called "professionals" that does not mean that you do not commit any crime and you and I know that that's a lie. Being a professional does not mean anything.

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jefflee said on December 21, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Jesus Christ! He was about to become the next Christopher Monfort or Maurice Clemmon. I'm glad cops succeeded in defending themselves in time. Otherwise, I'm going to be late for work again due to a police funeral. Gee, I don't want to go through another police funeral.

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jonapallo said on December 21, 2009 at 12:55 PM

bigmeanie: As an uneducated heathen, I take offense to you specifically stating educated people have legal knowledge and self-control as if the rest of us regular people have none. I'm going to have to ignore you from here on out. It's obvious you're here to rile the feathers of the people in this thread and I refuse to give you that kind of satisfaction. You've missed my point completely. kenpomaster: I hope to someday become as wise and psychically gifted as you are. It's amazing that this day in age, you are able to judge all the friends and family of Emil, based on one adrenaline fueled mistake on his part. God bless you, sir. ninjaassassin: You wish there was a more effective way for guns to be owned by "good guys" only....even if that happened, people will take a note from your namesake. Do you really want ninja stars and katana blades to run the streets of washington?

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honestahol said on December 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM

@jeank: Wuahahahahaha! He loved his girlfriend??? Is that why he assaulted her with his gun? Ma'am, just shut up. It looks like dumb@$$ genes run in your entire family. And did you say I don't have many friends? Ma'am, I don't have to know his friends to know they're also similar category losers. All my friends are educated professionals. They're all law abiding citizens. A couple of them are as a matter of fact lawyers. And not only they don't own guns but also they don't believe in guns. To them, assaulting a spouse or girlfriend with a gun is completely unthinkable. Soon, we'll have a big Christmas party. At the party, I'm going to bring you up and what you mentioned here. Don't worry. We won't laugh at you or him. Instead, we'll feel sorry for you.

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kenpomaster said on December 21, 2009 at 11:55 AM

@JeanK: Really? He also has a lot of loose cannon friends? But you know what they say: Birds of a feather flock together. Well, ma'am, I don't think honestahol will envy this guy at all.

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kenpomaster said on December 21, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Des Moines PD have lost one of theirs by an armed criminal. Federal Way PD also have lost one of theirs in slighly different but similar gun violence. Did someone say they shouldn't fire ten shots at the armed gunman? Well, don't be so selfish. They should fire as many shots as possible to ensure their safety. You got that?

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jeank said on December 21, 2009 at 11:37 AM

bigmeanie: your name fits you just right. honestahol: having a sense of humor is a great asset! I bet you don't have as many friends as he had. He was not a murderer or a thief. He loved his girlfriend and family. His house is now full of friends supporting and grieving for his death. He was just at the wrong place at the wrong time. Someday, you might just be in the same situation as us. His mother is shocked and grieving, so your moral support is more appreciated than judging a person who has grieving, under age children.

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bigmeanie said on December 21, 2009 at 11:31 AM

@jonapallo "If there were more love and compassion in the world, there would be less need for law and order." Well, jonapallo, what everybody needs are strong legal knowledge and self-control. Most educated people have both of those whether they like it or not. But some people don't. That's the difference. And that's why we need law enforcement.

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dirty_harry said on December 21, 2009 at 11:04 AM

I know what you're thinking, punk. You're thinking "did he fire six shots or only five?" Now to tell you the truth I forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and will blow you head clean off, you've gotta ask yourself a question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?

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ninjaassassin said on December 21, 2009 at 11:01 AM

I wish there was an effective way for guns to be owned by good guys only.

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johnmcclane said on December 21, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Yippiekayay, m******f******!"

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jonapallo said on December 21, 2009 at 10:44 AM

If there were more love and compassion in the world, there would be less need for law and order.

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masterofall said on December 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Well said, bigmeanie.

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bigmeanie said on December 21, 2009 at 10:25 AM

They have a right to defend themselves w/o taking a chance. Supposedly, after one shot, what if the perp manages to shoot one bullet at a cop before he falls down? That bullet could killed that cop. Period! That's why once this kind of loose cannons becomes an obvious threat, cops have to keep shooting until he becomes no threat.

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bigmeanie said on December 21, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Oh my gosh, lots of idiots are supporting this dead moron. After Christopher Monfort and Maurice Clemmon, cops have to keep shooting until the gunman drops dead completely. They have a right to defend themselves. Let's face it. Who's fault is it? ----> The fools who has decided to take a shot at cops. So shut up.

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chrisgagnon said on December 21, 2009 at 10:07 AM

I knoow the pain the family is going through because I know the family, and no the do not deserve these comments.... Emil was shot 10 times, and coming from a military background, being in situations where i had to shoot people and restrain/detain people, 1 or 2 is always more than enough... there is no reason or excuse for 10 shots. Nor does the family deserve to be told that there family member who drew a gun on the police, which no one can even support happening, deserved to die. I do not support the fact that he assaulted his wife, or that if its true, he pulled a gun on the police, but those are deservant of being arrested and put in jail, but not of being shot 10 times. Please have a little empathy for the loss and learn a little class...

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honestahol said on December 21, 2009 at 9:58 AM

JeanKsaid, "He is full of life and has a lot of sense of humor. He always made me laugh and entertained." Well, JeanK, a dead man can't be full of life. And obviously, he had crazy sense of humor. Pulling a gun on cops is NOT FUNNY! That didn't make cops laugh or entertained.

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jonapallo said on December 21, 2009 at 9:19 AM

sumithryo, I'm sure that little girl appreciates your sensitivity. There are a lot of things that society doesn't deserve. For example: People with no empathy nor compassion for their brothers and sisters. I hope you pray and meditate on this so that someday you can find some kind of inner peace. You've a lot of pent up frustration, anger, and hate and I hope that it's dealt with so that you don't keep emotionally and mentally abusing children on the internet.

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jeank said on December 21, 2009 at 8:33 AM

I am Emil's aunt. Yes, he has a name. You people are so insensitive to judge him without really knowing him. He is full of life and has a lot of sense of humor. He always made me laugh and entertained. He was also a hard worker. He was employed by an Airline for 13 years.! He is a very smart boy and not so stupid to draw his gun in fron of the police. Did anyone of you see him draw his gun? Shoot him once would have been enough to disable him. Okay, 4 times. But shoot him 6 times more? A total of 10 shots! That is police brutality!

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honestahol said on December 21, 2009 at 1:01 AM

Well, gun manufacturers didn't need any bailout money. This country is rich because of guns. Guns create strong economy.

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kenpomaster said on December 21, 2009 at 12:00 AM

By the way, why is it so easy for these loose cannons to get guns????

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jefflee said on December 20, 2009 at 11:47 PM

@chrisgagnon: Well, what's more important? His family feeling sad? Or the death of the returd who was willing to use his gun on innocent people? THINK HARDER! If he pulled his gun on cop, you'll know what kind of homicidal maniac he was. He's no different from Christopher Monfort!

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chrisgagnon said on December 20, 2009 at 8:47 PM

I see where you are coming from as the fact that the suspect pulled a firearm on the police, but lets not forget that the man had a family who loved and cared about him also, despite your feelings of what happened, have any of you thought about the effect your comments have or are having on the mans family, they are going through a loss right now also, and some of these comments would do nothing more than make them feel even worse. So to the family, I am sorry for your loss, death is not kind to anyone, the deceased, their families or the men who killed him... prayers are with you all...

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jkd_expert said on December 20, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Shoot to kill! Shoot and kill all the f-tards who abuse their guns! Guns are for self-defense ONLY!

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edwardb said on December 20, 2009 at 12:14 PM

That was absolutely a bad job as far as the outcome, at least for the people who loved and knew the person who got killed who I happened to know. He is not the son of Mother Theresa (if she had one) but neither is he a hardcore criminal. We have always known Law Enforcers as our heroes. We rely on them whenever we are in a predicament. This is the job they chose and are trained for. I will never understand why hardcore criminals are still out there doing what they are doing and this person who had a decent job and in fact was a father of five is gone. I was never a trained law Enforcer but my common sense tells me a shot on a leg or any non fatal technique is enough for this kind of situation. Now I'll probably think twice on calling for help. I am beginning to doubt these High School graduates' Law Enforcement training and I definitely expect the city or Government to act on this Officers' bad judgement.

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sumithryo said on December 20, 2009 at 11:44 AM

taxdollarsponge - I don't think 3 years working at Taco Bell is going to impress anyone. Hope you've got a good cover letter.....

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sumithryo said on December 20, 2009 at 11:43 AM

xlittlegirl - maybe you feel that you deserve to have your father. I feel that society didn't deserve your father. He's right where he needs to be.

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taxdollarsponge said on December 20, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Adisabledvet said those who do not trust the police: One day when you call 911 and no one answers what will you do?? Put in a resume.

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touchme said on December 20, 2009 at 10:13 AM

Why didn't the police allow the TV crew to take pictures or video if the suspect was really armed? Checking all other news, no one could show the "gun". do we just believe what the girlfriend reported to the police? How can we be proud and say to the cops they did a good job when infact there was a lost of life? Are the police not trained to at least disable the suspect instead of popping the suspect 10 times? now can the police give back the life of the man now? I wish the investigation will be fair and no cover ups as the suspect is another Asian. I was there!

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sumithryo said on December 20, 2009 at 9:50 AM

I love stories like this with happy endings.

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adisabledvet said on December 20, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Ok, I have been reading these posts and I would like to add a word or two. For you xlittlegirl sorry you lost your father, yes he did have a family, but was he thinking of his family during this incident, or the one at the apartment, I doubt it. No we did not know him, but he did know the woman he assaulted, but if that is the man he was I would not have liked him. But if that was not him, what happened, and why did no one seek help for him. He did not know those officers he pointed his weapon at either, what would have happened if he shot and killed one of those fathers, or sons that had a family. What would your thoughts be then? The words that were posted here were not hatred they were anger, from a group who are tired of the violence against those who can not defend themselves, and a justice system that ties the hands of the Police and let the criminals go untouched. Those who do not trust the Police: One day when you call 911 and no one answers what will you do??

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sumner_son said on December 20, 2009 at 7:15 AM

The suspect assaulted a woman with a gun, then took off, still carrying the gun. Per reports, the man didn't stop when ordered to, and aimed the gun at the police. Police fired to stop the suspect. It is a relief that there wasn't a second person dead in the story - the woman. How many times do we read where a woman is shot dead in a domestic violence dispute, then it's usually a suicide afterward by the man. xlittlegirl, if this man was your father, my condolences. However, he made two very bad choices. He assaulted a woman and pointed a gun at her, then didn't stop and evidently pointed a gun at police.

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buildmuscle said on December 20, 2009 at 4:39 AM

The officers were informed by the girlfriend and others there that this man had a gun. That is why they proceeded to track him down as soon as possible. Nobody knows what his further intentions were. Remember the Tacoma Mall Shooting? Happened because the guy was mad at his girlfriend.

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xlittlegirl said on December 20, 2009 at 4:23 AM

That man who was shot was my father. What he did wasn't right but he was a father. Mine. My apologies to everyone involved who risked their lives but to say these hurtful things about him. You didn't know him. You didnt know that he had a family. We might not be the best but we were a family. The man who everyone thinks 'deserved' to be dead had a family. Please just think about the hurtful things you decide to post before saying them because my mother, my brother, nor I "deserved' this.

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manifest said on December 20, 2009 at 3:29 AM

so, you're saying that the guy in this video deserved how police treated him? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKy-WSZMklc b.s. lets face facts... police arent perfrect... what happened in lakewood was tragic... but this man dying in federal way was just as tragic... no ones a winner here... the suspect should be innocent until proven guilty... my big question would be why would they look for a domestic violence suspect asap? he left the area... why not diffuse him, diffuse the situation, and get him after he's cooled down...this was a domestics beef, he wasn't a murderer, rapist, thief, or any of that... he could have been any joe-shmoe, having a bad day... anyone that cheers the cops "bravery" should have their head examined... i got one thing to say, 1 death for the cops and 5 for the suspects(in washington) equals 6 unecessary deaths.... tis the season...

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dragons1 said on December 20, 2009 at 3:24 AM

Maybe now since we, as Americans are losing our own Police Officers on our own streets, just maybe we can stop crucifying our Marines and Soldiers for protecting themselves in combat. A Marine loses another Marine in combat, the first thing you want to do is to protect yourself against ANY threat. Just like the Police Officers are now. We say the Police are being courageous and fighting back. How about not taking rank or military careers away for protecting ourselves in combat? I am all for what the police are doing now. I know I will think twice about pulling a cell phone out around one.

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bigmeanie said on December 20, 2009 at 2:03 AM

I wish every criminal ends his destiny this way. I really do. Then, we won't have to worry about the prison space or the food that enters their mouths. It can be done! These days, these @$$wipe criminals always want to take a shot at cops before they die. So it's a good thing.

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jonapallo said on December 19, 2009 at 11:26 PM

bouncer,it's funny you say Iwatch too much television and read too much news because I watch zero television (besides It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia) and do not read the news because I hate to hear about all the terrible things that happen to my brothers and sisters. I'm not sure what would make you think that my train of thought is influenced by anything other than my personal observations of the world. I live in Sacramento and I don't make it a habit of checking out Seattle news. I was pointed in the direction of this story by a family member. You can cling to hope. That's fine. I personally believe in non-violence and as much fault as the man is for what happened, it still hurts deeply that something happened. The main point I wish to get across is to those who are so quick to give these murderers a high five without having been there to see what happened.

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bouncer22 said on December 19, 2009 at 11:10 PM

If you are pulling a gun on a person be it a cop or not, then you deserve to get your just reward. Be it shot in the arm or death. You play with the devil you pay his terms. If a "law" abiding citizen is minding their own business and doing things right a cop will never need to pull a gun on them. Let alone kill them. People do stupid things when they are in the wrong. And as to the fellow who doubts the police all the time. You've been watching way too much television and reading the news. But to your side there are some bad seeds no matter what line of work we are in. If something is happening where a cop is doing something wrong, it'll come out in the wash. We just need to let the cops do their job and justice will prevail. That's all we have to hope on.

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davidadams said on December 19, 2009 at 9:33 PM

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taxdollarsponge said on December 19, 2009 at 9:27 PM

AAhhhh,back to shooting people as normal.

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snkkrm said on December 19, 2009 at 9:17 PM

My wife and I were in the Nail shop, in the strip of shops, near where the shooting took place. It was approx 2:55 pm when we heard someone shouting " Don't Move, Don't Move, Don't Move" Then there were approx 3 to 4 popping sounds a pause, and then an officer ran by the front of the nail shop with rifle in hand. Then we heard a series off popping sounds again apprx 6 more. Then it was complete silence for about 3 to 4 min while people starting filling the parking lot to see what all the comotion was.

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thesnowqueen said on December 19, 2009 at 9:12 PM

If the guy would have been behaving himself, this would not have happened. So whose fault is it? Did the officers just see him and shoot him? No. He was the one at fault. He was running around with a gun and he pointed it at two officers. He could have shot anyone. Just an idea------if you are running from the police and you have a gun, DON"T POINT IT AT THE OFFICERS. Of the two sides, I am glad that the officers are alright.

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jonapallo said on December 19, 2009 at 9:00 PM

Well P-All, it is my belief that we should question any authority. Whether we're talking about the media, the police, or the government. These people are regular people. They're not gods. They're not morally perfect. In fact, many can be lazy. They're not all happy with their jobs. They're just like you. Just like me. I know I don't always do the best work I can at work. I coast. I earn a paycheck. Who's to say that they are any different? Take monks in tibet for example. Do you think they're all spiritually enlightened? What would you do if you had the decision to either 1) Haul heavy stuff up a mountain all day for traveling Westeners or 2) Chill by the river, chant, check out hot chicks all day and pretend to be holy? All I'm saying is that you should always question and like justria said. This was a man. An actual man who died tonight. Your brother. My brother. And his life is gone and we're all quick to say good job to the people who killed him without having any knowledge.

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justria said on December 19, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Yes. The officers "did their job" but someone else did get hurt. Many people were hurt by this. This man was someone's son. Someone's brother. Someone's father. Someone's uncle. Someone's nephew. Someone's cousin. We are thankful for the military and the police but we shouldn't be so insensitive to say "good job" just because they killed a man.

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puyalluprox said on December 19, 2009 at 8:29 PM

I am the polar opposite of jonapallo. My default is to trust the officers until something is discovered to the contrary. Why would anyone have such distrust for the police unless they have found themselves on the wrong side before?

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jonapallo said on December 19, 2009 at 8:14 PM

Unfortunately we'll never know what exactly happened, but anytime somebody dies...there's nothing good about it. When statements are released from officers, I will always question anything they say. You have to be skeptical and don't be blinded by the typically courageous sentimentality we all have for the police. Just my two cents...I'm just a guy.

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justthinkin said on December 19, 2009 at 7:57 PM

Great Job DMPD!!! Very glad no one else (officer's or civilians) were hurt.

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eddie94 said on December 19, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Great job Officers!!! I hope grandpa36 is right. Please don't take chances when someone points a weapon at you. Everytime I log on to see the news I'm afraid I'll see another Officer killed. I really don't know anyone who would die for me. But when a Law Enforcement Officer accepts the job, they accept that they might die protecting one of us. Think about that the next time you see Officers coming to your rescue.

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nedly said on December 19, 2009 at 7:24 PM

I'm glad to hear that the DesMoines Officers are ok. At a time like this we should be very proud of are police officers. I just hope that everyone sees what are police officers go through on a daily basis.

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justthinkin said on December 19, 2009 at 7:23 PM

bluemax2001: Because as I read the story it happened on the border of Des Moines, Kent and Federal Way. The "juristiction" at this particular intersection is confusing at best. Des Moines P.D. covers everything on highway 99 on the west side up to 272nd. Kent covers everything on the east side of highway 99 up to 272nd. Anything suth of 272nd is considered Federal Way P.D. Since the incident just happened an hour and a half ago, the scene is most likely pretty crazy.

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johnnypillz said on December 19, 2009 at 7:03 PM

GOOD JOB OFFICERS!

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bluemax2001 said on December 19, 2009 at 6:36 PM

So why do KCPQ, KIRO, and the Seattle Times reports it was a Des Moines officer involved shooting and KING reports it as a Federal Way PD shooting?

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grandpa36 said on December 19, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Bad guys better throw your guns away. The cops are not going to take any more chances waiting for you to shoot. GOOD JOB OFFICERS

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jimk162 said on December 19, 2009 at 6:22 PM

live in mobile home park just on other side of fence where this happened.. my wife and i heard maybe ten shots....federal way police came up our street to make sure everyone ok and if anyone heard yelling before shooting..

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bigmeanie said on December 19, 2009 at 6:13 PM

gj, officers.

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