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Snohomish Co. residents speak out on nearly naked baristas

by ROB PIERCY / KING 5 News

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Posted on December 2, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Updated Wednesday, Dec 2 at 5:26 PM

EVERETT, Wash. - The Snohomish County Council is considering two ordinances that target "nearly naked" espresso stands and what some baristas are doing at those stands.

The Council got an earful at a public hearing Wednesday.

"I pull up into the parking lot and there are men masturbating in the parking lot to these women," said Kris McLeod.

It's enough to make you blush.

"Even our prostitutes on 99 are wearing clothing, they're not standing out there in G-strings and pasties," said Lea Coats.

The few dozen people at the hearing spoke in support of regulating coffee stands like this as adult entertainment.

Many saying they're tired of children being exposed to live-action porn on the way to school.

"This is his bus stop. This is directly in front of where he catches his kindergarten bus," said Kimberly Cole.

Cole worries about her 5-year-old son, Adan.

She took the day off work to be at the hearing. She happens to be the top legislative aide to Council Chair Mike Cooper.

She spoke as a concerned mom who says there's a big difference between skimpy baristas and what kids can see on TV or at the beach.

"We can choose that, we can't choose what they see out the car window," she said.

The county delayed voting on the regulations, angering some people. It was put off next until week because county prosecutors want to make a few minor changes.

Chairman Cooper says the change these people want is coming.

"I believe we will leave here with a regulated industry when leave here next week," he said.

No coffee stand owners or baristas spoke at the hearing.

If passed, any stand in unincorporated Snohomish County, where baristas wear pasties, G-strings or thong underwear will have to license as an adult entertainment business.

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rachelelizabeth said on December 3, 2009 at 1:58 PM

these are just mothers that dont have a life and need to find one. stop bashing on the coffee stands. and i agree that if your driving down the road i dont think your kid is going to be able to look out the car window into the little coffee shop windows and see the girls.

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dea6969 said on December 3, 2009 at 12:29 PM

I don't get pub hair in my coffee!!! They all have "Brazilian wax jobs"!!! For you fatty's that complain about these places, a Brazilian is when a female or male shaves all thier pubic hair. FYI.

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dea6969 said on December 3, 2009 at 12:24 PM

I don't get pub hair in my coffee!!! They all have "Brazilian wax jobs"!!! For you fatty's that complain about these places, a Brazilian is when a female or male shaves all thier pubic hair. FYI.

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fckthis said on December 3, 2009 at 11:08 AM

"Something better and more up-lifting," chuckstr76, would be fighting to end sex trafficking and sexual exploitation in Washington. That's what these people are trying to do. I understand both sides of the argument.....however, what the proponents of these stands DON'T realize is that these girls are being SEXUALLY EXPLOITED for money. It's just not right. That is why people are upset....not because they are wearing bikinis. There is nothing wrong with bikinis. There is everything wrong with sending the message that women are sexual property that can be bought and sold. That is why people are upset......not because their sons and daughters will see girls in bikinis.....but because they will learn that it is perfectly acceptable to treat women like pieces of garbage. :(

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chuckstr76 said on December 3, 2009 at 10:49 AM

If you think its appropriate for these girls to be dressed they way they are, THEN DONT VISIT THE COFFEE STAND, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. HELLO… IS THIS SO DARN DIFFICULT. I am amazed all the effort put into criticizing these people, put your efforts into something better and more up-lifting. Like helping the homeless, eliminating cancer or maybe getting a life. Make them but up blinders so those who are embarrassed wont be able to see them, but then you may run into a line for those of you who are closet voyeurs.

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fckthis said on December 3, 2009 at 9:24 AM

Hey dougtingvall.....yes, we know "sex sells," but that doesn't mean we have to tolerate it in our community. Most of us believe exploiting someone sexually for money is wrong. Prostitution is illegal. Some of these stands are busted for prostitution. Does that surprise you? Itt's a legal issue. Also, did you know that Seattle is the biggest hub for human trafficking in the US? Girls and women are being sold and traded every day in our community. The government SHOULD protect girls and women from abuse and exploitation. It's a matter of treating all people (WOMEN INCLUDED) with dignity and respect. Everyone is so hung up on "rights". It is this obsession with not violating "rights" that is sending our communities to hell in a handbag. It's the fear of violating "rights" that sends criminals out on the streets so they can open fire at innocent police officers in a COFFEE SHOP. Something needs to change. People have every "right" to speak out against hate in their communities.

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fckthis said on December 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM

And, you guys don't know what that lady saw. If she said she saw men masturbating in the parking lot, she probably did. It's funny how you all claim to know what she saw, as if you were there too. :P

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fckthis said on December 3, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Mandipoo....I applaud you. "No one wants to lose a weenie" haha!) But it IS dangerous. These girls open themselves up to assault, etc. Men perform sexually motivated crimes at these stands (anyone hear about the flasher who was scalded?) People don't understand how this is hurtful to the community. Not only to these individual women, but to kids growing up learning that it is perfectly acceptable to exploit and disrespect 50% of the population. It's sad. People see their communities going to hell in a handbag and they don't want to sit by and let it happen. They shouldn't have to. All those citizens at the council meeting were there before bikini baristas...they are defending their home. Gypsy, of course you can sunbathe in your yard. But perhaps you will have to leave the giant sign inside that invites people to check out your jugs and your hot, naugthy-nice pasties, etc....because that would be an offer for solicitation, and would be considered adult entertainment.

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mandipoo said on December 3, 2009 at 8:40 AM

To Waituhminute.... that was the funniest (and true) thing I have heard! And might I add that it is all fun and games til it's your daughter or little sister in there. I am young, very in shape, and beautiful - but I have couth and there is a time and a place for everything. I agree that coffee stands are NOT the place or time for nudity or masturbation.... although I am curious to know HOW this came about: Isn't anyone nervous about the fact that someone could be badly burned? I am sure that there are people who would LOVE to gaulk at half naked MALE construction workers, but we wouldn't do that because children would see and because of the obvious hazards of the job (no one wants to lose a weenie) as well as distractions to the public. I don't think that this issue has anything do do with being 'fat' or 'ugly' and honestly anyone who would think that is just plain naive and ignorant. When you ARE older with children... and it's YOUR daughter on the pole then..............

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hmmmm said on December 3, 2009 at 8:17 AM

The fat ugly women are at it again!!!! What out for the heffers they filled with envy.

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dougtingvall said on December 3, 2009 at 6:55 AM

Sex sells -- there's no denying it! Americans are far too up-tight about sex. Most of them are hypocrites. Government cannot and should regulate morality. Government should devote its limited resources to more productive and appropriate issues and get out of our personal lives.

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gypsy said on December 3, 2009 at 5:48 AM

I happen to agree with airsignal on this, They are grasping at straw! Masturbating in the parking lots? I highly doubt it. The police busted the Everett Coffee stand for the girls soliciting there and the men, who were going there. I don't think the other stands want their license revoked. @Kim Cole, I hope your reading this. I have 4 children and teach them the difference between right and wrong. Choices. You have the choice not to drive by there, you have the choice to put your kid in a different environment. Teach him, but don't take his rights away. This will come back to bite you. Living in unincorporated Snohomish County, will this mean I cannot sunbath in MY yard because the bus goes by here?

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jackwong said on December 3, 2009 at 4:12 AM

So glad the city council is doing something about it. So they may not spread their bad morals to other parts of the great community of Snohomish County. Do we have to see prostitutes allover the street and crack dealers because of this before we WAKE THE ***** UP!!!!!???? I think the city council is heroic for doing this. Only with the bad video games and media have our morals degenerated like this. We definitely need old fashion, goodness back.

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fckthis said on December 2, 2009 at 11:54 PM

Airsignal.....your article is from NY. I'm talking about Washington. I was explaining that it is considered a misdemeanor in THIS state to expose yourself in public. If they aren't "exposing" themselves, and that is your argument, than that's fair. It wouldn't be an "arrestable" offense. However, that doesn't make it any less pathetic. If people are upset because they feel like these stands are trashy and they don't want them in their neighborhood...they have every right to speak out and try to change it. People don't appreciate sexual exploitation. That's nothing new. These girls should just get a job at a strip club if they want to sell themselves. They'd make more money doing the same s**t and it would save everybody the grief. Better yet, these girls should get some respect for themselves, get over their daddy issues, and find some ambition in their lives. They should do something to benefit society. They sold out. I don't respect that.

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fckthis said on December 2, 2009 at 11:45 PM

One of those girls in the clip actually took a drink out of one of the coffees she was serving.......SICK!!! I was kidding about the herpes....but these stands really are potential health hazard. hahaha. Serves all those sad men right!!!

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airsignal said on December 2, 2009 at 11:11 PM

http://slingshot.tao.ca/displaybi.php?0064017 Breasts are not genitalia... "I definately support the county council defining bikini coffee stands as adult entertainment and regulating them as such." I do too. If you do it to make money, that falls under different laws boys and girls. If they are actually showing off. if your nipples are covered pasties, paint or otherwise then your not showing off. Get a life!

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sandrat said on December 2, 2009 at 10:54 PM

If these comments are actually a sample of Northwest Women,it's little wonder their hubbies and boyfriends go to these coffee stands!!!! Talk about UPTIGHT!!! Q: What's a Seattle "10" ? A: A "4" with a sixpack !!! This is the truth,when I first moved here over 20 years ago,my friends asked me about the women here.All I could say was,"Fat,Ugly,and Stuck-up" for the most part.A few fall through the cracks and are appreciated for being nice in addition to nice looking.I always said I'd never spend $5 for a cup of Coffee,but someone needs to support our "Bikini Barristas" !!!!

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bazwest said on December 2, 2009 at 10:46 PM

I definately support the county council defining bikini coffee stands as adult entertainment and regulating them as such.

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rainierian said on December 2, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Hard working? No offense but they are making coffee. That's not a career, its a paycheck. I've been a barista before and it's whats students do for some money. Theres really no hardwork in chatting with people and pouring one liquid in one cup while frothing another. :-) Hardwork is building houses, or calling 100 people in a day discussing why thier insurance didn't cover thier last procedure so they owe a couple grand. FCKthis- Haha I know right? VS is at malls next to the childrens store, so when thier kids are grown up they can go buy the appropriate clothing. But there are no pasties, or thongs on women walking around. That's nasty. If I want to go to a strip club then I will go to vegas to the pro's. ha. :-O

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airsignal said on December 2, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Quote= Topless women in Tacoma are arrested. "RCW 9A.88.010 Indecent exposure. (1) A person is guilty of indecent exposure if he or she intentionally makes any open and obscene exposure of his or her person or the person of another knowing that such conduct is likely to cause reasonable affront or alarm. (2)(a) Except as provided in (b) of this subsection, indecent exposure is a misdemeanor. (b) Indecent exposure is a gross misdemeanor on the first offense if the person exposes himself or herself to a person under the age of fourteen years." You need to do your research. If Tacoma is arresting, they need to be sued! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19293933/ http://inkslwc.wordpress.com/2009/04/01/judge-topless-text-messages-of-teenage-girls-are-legal/ A woman arrested for exposing her breasts has accepted a $29,000 settlement from [New York City], her lawyer said. see next

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shoebox said on December 2, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Oh no, they are wearing a bathing suit, better not ever take your little kids to the beach, or a public pool, oh the humanity, give me a break, these people need to get off their high horse, I live down in Thurston County, do not even drink coffee but am thinking of making the trek, just for fun.

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timenow said on December 2, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Are you kidding me???? If you saw men masturbating in the parking lot, why didn't you call the police? I call BS on that one. And for the people that claim their kids got an eyeful when they went there. Can't you read ? It was pretty obvious from the readerboard what they were about. I can't believe that people will run to government over this. IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEE IT THEN DO NOT GO THERE ! From all the coverage I have seen on these coffee stands, I have yet to see how driving by at 35 miles an hour or so would give you a "show". How can you even see what is going on behind the windows? As a parent, I would be more concerned as to why the bus stop is on a busy street for a Kindergartner. Use your head people. It is not up to the Govt. or officials to take care of our kids , it is our responsibility as parents. Shoot, they can't even balance a budget. If Bikinis or skin upset you, go back and take a biology class. Sheesh, get a life !!!!!!!

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rachelelizabeth said on December 2, 2009 at 9:37 PM

She is probably ugly. Only ugly chicks complain about this because they are jealous of sexually attractive women who dress in a sexual manner.

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blankingout said on December 2, 2009 at 8:16 PM

"but theses bikini baristas make women look bad and doesn't represent our gender in a positive light..." someone might say.. Well as a switching roles example: some men hate on gay males with reasons it feminizes their masculinity and makes men look bad... But today, a gay male is mostly accepted in culture and so should a bikini barista!

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bruce1949 said on December 2, 2009 at 8:06 PM

Does that mean that that certain class of people that wear their outer garments down to the anus?

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blankingout said on December 2, 2009 at 8:04 PM

What bs! The things jealous women will do when men don't pay attention to them... whine and insult other hard working women... even going as low as calling them prostitutes... And women wonder why some men cannot respect them when men see women don't even respect those in their own gender...

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ccole said on December 2, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Get them some palm trees, some grass skirts, some tastefull bakinis and they would be much better off. Make it something fun, cleaner, but still sexy. They are just TOO SLEEZY right now.

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fckthis said on December 2, 2009 at 7:47 PM

browndog, I don't understand....."if your child goes to a public school their is nothing to complain about." What do you mean? Are faculty at public schools now wearing pasties and crotchless underwear?? What are you talking about?

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fckthis said on December 2, 2009 at 7:43 PM

rainierian....that's true. They DO wear shirts and pants. What VS was that guy shopping at!?! haha! :P

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rainierian said on December 2, 2009 at 7:31 PM

The women who work at victorias secret wear pants and shirts, they just sell bras and thongs, and panties. Which isn't innapropriate since they do watch who comes into those stores, and they are not wearing thier products out in the open for everyone to see. As for the baristas wearing this stuff is nasty. I'm not a health freak but with everything from the common cold, swine flu straight down to stds could be coming in contact with with my/your coffee. Nasty. I'll stick with people wearing actual clothing, that show some sort of professionalism. And yes, these stands should be counted as adult entertainment. So atleast then you can automatically expect bad coffee. Yes, I have tried thier coffee, I'm a true washingtonian I drink Starbucks. :-)

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fckthis said on December 2, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Airsignal - g-stings on the beach are fine. I wear a bikini @ the beach. Not an issue. The issue is that where these items of clothing are appearing is inappropriate. It is unacceptable for a man or a woman to have their junk hanging out in public. Which Federal Laws do you speak of? Topless women in Tacoma are arrested. Perhaps you would be interested in the WA state laws governing indecency: "RCW 9A.88.010 Indecent exposure. (1) A person is guilty of indecent exposure if he or she intentionally makes any open and obscene exposure of his or her person or the person of another knowing that such conduct is likely to cause reasonable affront or alarm. (2)(a) Except as provided in (b) of this subsection, indecent exposure is a misdemeanor. (b) Indecent exposure is a gross misdemeanor on the first offense if the person exposes himself or herself to a person under the age of fourteen years." These stands are near school bus stations! Sounds like a gross misdemeanor to me!

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browndog said on December 2, 2009 at 7:12 PM

If your child goes to a public school than there is nothing to complain about. Dont take your kids to malls because they will see Victoria Seceret. Dont take them to public pools and beaches. Keep the TV off. This is a joke.

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airsignal said on December 2, 2009 at 7:06 PM

I seriously doubt that anyone is masturbating in anywhere near those stands. If they were the cops would be all over it... Dont Lie! Go to the supermarket stands if you dont like it... Lying just shows your grasping at straws...

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airsignal said on December 2, 2009 at 7:02 PM

[quote] seattlelovemonge said on December 2, 2009 at 5:32 PM you guys are down playing the "Bikini issue"...it's not a bikini that offeneds..its the pasties and G-strings......stripper clothes..which you "do not" see at the beaches....I agree they should be classified as "Adult Entertianment" as zoned as such...away from schools,daycares,parks!!! ............period. fckthis said on December 2, 2009 at 6:01 PM G-strings and pasties belong in strip clubs! Who wants nasty girls shedding viruses and pubes into their food and drinks, [/quote] You guys have never have never been to a beach have ya? Yikes! I see more gstrings there than anywhere. Federal laws that say that women have the same rights as men apply here. Women can walk around topless legally! Its federal law... Adult business laws also apply to guys the same way. This means if you mow lawns for a living, you will need to be an adult business if you do so without your shirt guys of girls. Construction sites... same thing.

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blankingout said on December 2, 2009 at 6:21 PM

Support your local bikini espresso stand!

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yogibear said on December 2, 2009 at 6:19 PM

These "ladies" seem to have no brain if they have to feel thay have sell their body at a coffee shop to make a buck.

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fckthis said on December 2, 2009 at 6:01 PM

G-strings and pasties belong in strip clubs! Who wants nasty girls shedding viruses and pubes into their food and drinks, anyway? It seems more like a sanitation issue to me!!! Plus, the dudes complaining that the people of Washington are shoving their morals and values down everyone's throats are the same pathetic losers wanking off in the parking lot to the average looking pathetic little souls in these coffee shops. To all you claiming this is "reality," I hope your daughters grow up to be "Pastie Baristas." I'm sure you'll be so proud! haha

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seattlelovemonge said on December 2, 2009 at 5:32 PM

you guys are down playing the "Bikini issue"...it's not a bikini that offeneds..its the pasties and G-strings......stripper clothes..which you "do not" see at the beaches....I agree they should be classified as "Adult Entertianment" as zoned as such...away from schools,daycares,parks!!! ............period.

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brewster said on December 2, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Theses whiners crying about the bikini baristas! I am so sick and tired of it, God forbid your child see a pretty girl in a bikini, hurry lets take our kid home so he can play war games and kill some people on his Playstation! Jeeez! Get real people!

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mmmm09 said on December 2, 2009 at 3:01 PM

I don't think they are all up in arms over bikini's, I think it is the g-string and pasties. It isn't saying they can't have their stand, they just need to be classified as "adult entertainment", so what is the big deal with that???

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averagejoe said on December 2, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Well, once again the uptight people of Washington state are trying to regulate what everyone can do based on their uptight moral values. I could see all the points brought up in the testimony in the video if the women were doing this nude. the distraction alone would make it dangerous. but in all of the coffee stands that utilize this type of Barista, I have yet to see one that was wearing anything you could not readily see in a store in the mall, or any beach in the USA (most foreign beaches do not have this problem, due to most everyone already being nude!) I have seen swimwear at my local health club swimming pool, on women who I am pretty sure are not of the age of majority (18 ) that left absolutely nothing to the imagination! If we are going to waste time regulating this, why don't we just use the laws we already have in place, (there are plenty) to do so. PEOPLE GET A LIFE!

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waituhminute said on December 2, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Hey, why isn't there a sandwich stand with chicks in swimsuits makin' it!? Are the health code standards less for a coffee stand and more stringent for "chewy" foods. It's all fun and business til someone gets a pube in their froth! I say, if Les Schwab can give away free beef these coffee slingers can serve it Luau style, right?

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zifnab said on December 2, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Ok, I watched the video, and I have to ask: Are these people serious??? "Bad people" visit these coffee stands? "my children are in danger because of coffee stands"?? Does ANYBODY really believe any of this stuff???? REALLY? WOW! ...... I ... am just speechless.... WOW!! BTW, I know LOTS of people who buy coffee and MOST of them are good people. Also rapists and murders purchase coffee at starbucks and groceries at Safeway. WOW....

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zifnab said on December 2, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Ok, I watched the video, and I have to ask: Are these people serious??? "Bad people" visit these coffee stands? "my children are in danger because of coffee stands"?? Does ANYBODY really believe any of this stuff???? REALLY? WOW! ...... I ... am just speechless.... WOW!! BTW, I know LOTS of people who buy coffee and MOST of them are good people. Also rapists and murders purchase coffee at starbucks and groceries at Safeway. WOW....

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collegeguy said on December 2, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Oh, good job snohomish county, way to show us all that you are full of people afraid of reality! Come on, the fact you can see them in their bikinis is nothing new and it is a joke to classify them as adult entertainment! They provide the same level of entertainment you would get from going to Victoria's secrets or the beach! Give me a fricking break! Kris McLeod, you are in need a reality check! If you are really about protecting these women from something happening to them, you wouldn't be trying to run them out of business! Based of this, we need to put armed police at beaches and pools and make those adult business locations too! This is just an example of uptight, snobbish people who can't deal with reality!

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440volt said on December 2, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Good thing there isn't a large, warm water beach in Everett. Just imagine all the women in bikinis. Oh the humanity!!

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adhtlhcdh said on December 2, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Sounds like Kris McLeod is going to do something naughty!

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