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WA House Dem. budget plan puts tax on candy, bottled water

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Posted on March 1, 2010 at 12:03 PM

Updated Monday, Mar 1 at 5:15 PM

OLYMPIA, Wash. - State House Democrats want to raise about $760 million in taxes by closing a long list of exemptions and collecting more money from smokers, banks, lawyers and accountants.

It's the latest of three competing tax proposals floated by state leaders as they try to balance a $2.8 billion budget deficit.

The House's five-part plan is heavy on closing tax exemptions. That includes sales tax exemptions on bottled water, candy and gum, and custom software.

It would also increase business taxes by half a percent for service providers such as lawyers and accountants.

Gov. Chris Gregoire and Senate Democrats have already put different tax plans on the table. The House, Senate and governor will now have to hammer out an agreement.

Gregoire said she likes the House version better because it stays away from a general sales tax increas.

Republicans have argued all session that the budget can be balanced without raising taxes.

"It's $858 million our economy cannot afford," said Rep. Ed Orcutt, R-Kalama.

One of the common tax increases found in all of the tax proposals raises the tobacco tax $1 for every pack of cigarettes.

Smokers currently pay just over $2 a pack in taxes for cigarettes.

"I don’t think it's fair at all," said Cassandra Johnson, of Lacey.

Johnson, 19, said she's been smoking since she was 13.

She figures she spends about $100 a week on cigarettes and said she does not know if she can afford to smoke if the tax is raised one dollar.

"It would probably get me to stop smoking," said Johnson.

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teabagger said on March 4, 2010 at 6:36 PM

Rep. Jim Moeller's HB 2388 defines candy as: '"Candy" means a preparation of sugar, honey, or other natural or artificial sweeteners in combination with chocolate, fruits, nuts, or other ingredients or flavorings in the form of bars, drops, or pieces. "Candy" does not include any preparation containing flour and does not require refrigeration.' Really? Using that definition means means granola bars are candy, but licorice is not. Hmmm. Makes a lot of sense to me. NOT.

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unhappy said on March 2, 2010 at 6:52 PM

why dont they just get rid of all the unproductive and criminal illegals that are on welfare and other state services. the budget would bunce back and we could have cheap candy

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gritz said on March 2, 2010 at 9:19 AM

It is not fiscal responsible to increase a tax at the same time you are trying to encourage growth and decrease unemployment. Businesses are not going to hire until the state releases it's budget and tax increase plans. I also find it funny that the State is saying a penny per ounce. Most people will say, thats not too much, until you do the math. A case of water just doubled in price. .16 X 24 = 3.84. That is a drastic increase.My question is, whats going to be the next step when the State doesnt make enough revenue with these increases?Maybe she is smarter than all of us.She might be thinking that if she takes all our money, we will have to take our vacation locally.

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ferryrat said on March 2, 2010 at 8:51 AM

Lets also put a $1.00 tax for every litter of liquor sold. The only way the state going to get in the black is to look in it's own back yard and cut spending not raise taxes.

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hillyard said on March 2, 2010 at 1:44 AM

I can walk across the line into Idaho and buy this stuff without supporting bailout taxes, no skin off my sack. The big cities that voted for these clowns can pay their tab, meanwhile I'm sure Idaho will welcome my revenue at a reasonable rate.

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angelainbothell said on March 1, 2010 at 9:52 PM

Ironically, the legislature is VERY aware that they can create a black market if they raise taxes too high on things like cigarettes. I think they're trying to find the balancing point, between 'taking as much money as they can' and 'not creating a black market'. They know perfectly well that taxing a thing reduces it - thus, if you tax cigarettes, more people quit. Somehow, they don't take that one logical step further and say 'less taxes encourages a thing', ie, reduce taxes on businesses, to encourage business. No. They need money, and evidently the rest of us can do without, so they stick it to us in every way imaginable. Meanwhile, I have to keep finding new and creative ways NOT to spend money, in order NOT to be in debt.

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gritz said on March 1, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Uplink, The United States financial system, the world financial system was on the brink of collapse. I have never figured out why the near miss to total financial disaster was never fully explained by the media .Anyhow, the blame for most of the problem can be blamed on the US. Our loose regulation of the banks and credit companies, the culprit. Most of those loose regulations happened and were under the supervision of the Bush Administration. His eye wasn't on the ball and you have to wonder about why it is that the one big business that did well under Bush was the oil companies. Haven't heard about record profits lately have you?My point is, Bush dug a deep hole and we all are digging out. My issue with Gregoire is, she knew there was a problem, she gets weekly budget reports and prognostic overviews.Yet she went in front of the cameras and said no new taxes.She has taxed almost everything that is taxable.What she hasn't taxed, she has left for the locals to cover through levy's.

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yessir said on March 1, 2010 at 8:48 PM

personally... I directly blame uplink for the whole mess and hold them absolutely responsible ;)

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uplink said on March 1, 2010 at 8:03 PM

ngs4509, Tell me how this is not the democraps fault? They have been in power for many years in this state. How can you blame Bush for the mess the dems have made of this STATE??????

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scott_bellevue said on March 1, 2010 at 7:54 PM

Gov Gregoire: Remember I-960? We do, and your days are numbered. btvsrcks: The reality is that without a car it is very difficult to get a job. If you don't have a car, your opportunities are limited. The reality is that we are a car society, and without one you're destined to poverty. So don't be so elitist with your nonsensical talk of entitlement. flasher702: tax on food items hits poor people far more than those who are not poor. Some people simply can't afford to have their cost of food raised by 10% overnight by some elitist who thinks poor people have it easy and don't pay their fare share. Show some compassion already. markf: Just because lawmakers CAN overturn a referendum doesn't mean they should. It's political suicide and an insult to the voters. You may know the letter of the law, but you have some learning to do on good politics. Cassandra Johnson: if you smoke $100 a week in cigarettes, you might want to see a doctor. In fact, I'd say you need help.

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emptynestr said on March 1, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Well buy up as many of your "vices" as possible so you will be well stocked before she taxes them all. I think it is just rediculous the way she is going about trying to balance her budget. These are NOT fair taxes and she seems to be counting on getting her moneys worth. There are ways to get around it I am sure. : ) Good luck with using Y/OUR own imagination. That is what it will take to get around these stupid taxes.

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tranzor said on March 1, 2010 at 5:45 PM

What I find funny is these politicians think raising taxes on non-essential items like cigarettes, bottled water and candy will equal X amount of tax revenue. What they don't seem to get is that if you tax people something ridiculous on items they don't really need... guess what? They make changes... so what taxes will they raise a year from now when they figure out that cigarettes, bottled water, and candy sales in the state dipped 20-25%? Oh wait... they aren't paid to think about those things. Instead of raising taxes during tough times, maybe they should learn to do what the rest of us have had to do... cut our budget down. They have a $750 million deficit, cut the budget by that amount. And don't threaten to take it out of police/fire/transportation and other necessities... they should start by trimming some of those useless upper level managers, trim down on the abusers in the DSHS system, as well as give all legislators (governor included) a pay cut of 25%.

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javajoe said on March 1, 2010 at 5:44 PM

Looks like we need to do our part to help the state and start smoking or start smoking more. These people are fools.

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markf said on March 1, 2010 at 5:41 PM

danbob: The law was NOT broken when they set aside I-960. If you knew Washington state law you would know that the house and senate can overturn or void any inititative two years after it is passed. And specifically for reasons such as this. Things change, the laws should too. And kudos to the person who misspelled "typo". Type-o? Really? That had me rolling on the floor.

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fellowtraveller said on March 1, 2010 at 5:39 PM

This is not the total tax package and certainly not the final one for this session. Another bill, passed out of the House Finance Committee this morning (before the press conference on this package) increases the tax on petroleum products. That tax increase was originally to triple the rate imposed at this particular level -- no, not at the gas pump but some increase will be inevitable there if this sticks. House and Senate are still pretty far apart, so the final product is anybody's guess but don't become distracted by the media's fascination with a tax on candy or more tax on tobacco. That's not where the real sums they need to balance the budget are.

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blankingout said on March 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM

Instead of taxing candy, they should tax organic food, milk and soy products...

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blankingout said on March 1, 2010 at 5:02 PM

While the house is at it, put another tax on business like Boeing and Microsoft... ( Yes I am for destroying the Washington economy)

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yessir said on March 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM

I quickly researched it and found Gregoire has stock in the Britta filter company... dang it... she's getting you there too! Crafty!

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yessir said on March 1, 2010 at 4:59 PM

Britta water filter??? Think of all the sales and Britta manufacturing jobs... Stimulus... way to go people... you are the "Change!"

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oldmossback said on March 1, 2010 at 4:58 PM

The "Great Recession" has set everything back by about 30%, give or take a little here and there. A decent recovery play would be 10/10/10. That's a 10% reduction in state employees; a 10% cut in state employee wages and benefits; and a 10% increase in taxe revenues. Rather than increase the taxes on people and organizations who already are paying taxes take a hard look at who isn't and remove their exemptions.

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whatever81 said on March 1, 2010 at 4:37 PM

I can afford to smoke but that doesn't mean I'm willing to spend another dollar for them. I've been debating on quitting for sometime but this will be the thing that forces my husband and I to quit. We already have the highest tax on cigarrettes. This will backfire on the government. People will quit smoking which is what they want too but they would prefer for us to give them our money and not quit. We also will start using our Britta water filter more and not use bottled water. These taxes will just cause people to change their habits for the better and the government wont get thier money. They want us to not use as many bottles of water and they want people to stop smoking CONGRATS with these ideas you will succeed!

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tj1999 said on March 1, 2010 at 4:34 PM

A tax on bottled water? Really? So if I'm somewhere where the water fountain looks like a urinal, I'm gonna have to pay the tax? Taxing candy and other harmful items? No problem but water? Come on. Are you going to start taxing air inside buildings next? I mean, I can just outside to breathe, right? Also, the tax on cosmetic surgery seems punitive and aimed mostly at women. It is also going to run cosmetic surgery practices out of the state.

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sears1234 said on March 1, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Who cares, I won't buy any bottled water or candy in this state. governor and Deocratic congress keep your changing!!

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intell said on March 1, 2010 at 4:23 PM

They are sticking to you any way they can. Remember this at voting time. They need to learn to live within their budgets like we have to.

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watts said on March 1, 2010 at 3:58 PM

Tax weed and you'll feed the governors greed!

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the_realist said on March 1, 2010 at 3:54 PM

If you can't afford a tax increase on your cigarettes, bottled water, or candy, you shouldn't be spending money on them in the first place (re –fedupinwa/gritz). I also don’t understand how some of you can connect the dot between spending more money on ‘needless items’ and higher unemployment (re – redsoxfan). I would rather have them tax these items than my house, or actual necessities. It is funny that some of you sh*t a big brick when stuff like this happens, yet you can’t think of anything worth saying other than “vote them out” or “cut the fat”. If you are so concerned, run for office and come up with solutions. Easier said than done.

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chuckstr76 said on March 1, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Lets raise taxes so we can ballance the budget, Wish I could give myself a pay raise to offset my stupid spending...lets not figure out why we cant ballance our check book, lets just ask for more money...idiots

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yessir said on March 1, 2010 at 3:48 PM

kss... blame it on Abe Lincoln? come on... you can do it! Keep going!

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watts said on March 1, 2010 at 3:46 PM

Lets tax the Witches wrinkle cream and depend diapers.Oh that right she doesn't use wrinkle cream.

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speedracer said on March 1, 2010 at 3:44 PM

well it just keep's getting worse daily....Thank's Uglor....

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draz1040 said on March 1, 2010 at 3:33 PM

Maybe you whiners should run for office! I sounds to me like it would be a good thing to get people to recycle and quit their cancer stick habbit!

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freddy6666 said on March 1, 2010 at 3:19 PM

The Democrats just shot them selves in the foot, thanks to our so called governor. They just made more poor people in the State. Democrats, just keep thinking about the election this fall and the next ones to come.

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sc_ef67479056560 said on March 1, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Maybe we charge KING 5 $1 for every type-o on their website?

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kss123 said on March 1, 2010 at 3:16 PM

ngs4509, you might want to look up a few things; In this state, which is what we're talking about, it's been under Democrat control for well over a decade. Nationally, Greenspan warned congress in 2005 of the financial crisis from the banking industry. S.190 would have given regulator power to crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate their investments in risky assets.....but Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter. BTW, all the sponsors and writers of the bill were Republican. Actually Carter, then reinforced by Clinton, started this with the Community Reinvestment Act.

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redsoxfan01 said on March 1, 2010 at 3:04 PM

But Queenie said their would not be a budget deficit...she said so again and again and again and bragged about her rainy day fund. The worse thing is these taxes will not bring in half of what they think they will because the sales of these items are going to plummet. That plumment will lead to lost jobs. Ohhhh Queenie you are sending your fellow democrats away from the party in droves just to escape you and the legislators voting for this. We need some people with common sense and respect for the voters to start running for office. I don't care what party just some average middle of the road citizens that will represent the PEOPLE!!!

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btvsrcks said on March 1, 2010 at 3:00 PM

You aren't required to have a car loan or internet to live. Gah, people are so self entitled they think that they should have high speed internet and a car loan? Give me a break. Save your money and buy a used car. That is what people do. And if you can't afford to buy a house, rent an apartment or save up more money for your down payment. Otherwise DON'T BUY. I am tired of people complaining about how they can't handle a small sales tax or gas tax increase but then can justify having a car loan... Stupid.

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redsoxfan01 said on March 1, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Now we will watch the unemployment rate go up even further. I will no longer buy bottled water, candy or gum. People will either stop buying or buy less and that equals lost jobs. Smokers will go out of state or use the internet as many have as the taxes have skyrocked on cigarettes in this state. They will also start doing like some people I know do and have family members and friends send them from out of state. Cigarettes in Washington are currently $65 a carton or more and in Idaho they are only $37. Those that live on the state borders will drive to get theirs. I will NOT vote for any politician that voted to repeal 960 or votes for these tax increases. Sit down and figure out how much you pay in taxes...property taxes, taxes on utility bills, taxes on your cell phone, sales tax, federal income tax, and all of the small taxes you pay and look at the percentage of your income goes to taxes!

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gritz said on March 1, 2010 at 2:46 PM

The average home income for Pierce County 50K. 30% Federal and State Tax-leaves you with about 35 K. Mortgage is about 12K (low) so that leaves 22K. Car is 4.8-5K which leaves you with about 18-19 K. Gas and utilities is about 2K. Phone internet is another 2K a year. So based off my low ball budget, we can see that the average Pierce County resident is left with about 1000 a month for food, clothing, gas, school supplies, Bridge tolls, medical. It appears that most of us are a blown gasket away from negative spending. Yet our legislature want to continue to press us for many of their mistakes.2.8 BILLION did not happen overnight, when they saw that they were in the red, they didn’t and have not stopped. They rely on taxes of products that people can no longer afford to buy, (cigarettes, gas, candy and bottled water) so they lose that revenue, which by the way, they are already spending.

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momuddog said on March 1, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Sooo, why do we put up with these people, they work for us?

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yessir said on March 1, 2010 at 2:32 PM

There's a lot of fat butts who could use a tax on their candy ;)

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danbob said on March 1, 2010 at 2:09 PM

It's time for a recall on the Gov. Chris Gregoire and antone who voted for this new tax because the law was broken when they set aside I 960 i think thats gounds for a recall i just dont know how to go about doing it but will find out

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ngs4509 said on March 1, 2010 at 1:52 PM

fishhawk...It's pretty hard to make changes when you're trying to dig out of the hole we were left with. Blame THIS on Democrats? I don't think so. Look at this mess this country was stuck with. "We" didn't cause this.."You" did.. How LAME.

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liveincovington said on March 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM

Taxes on food items? Really??? STOP IT WE DON"T WANT IT!

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fishawk said on March 1, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Now what did you think was going to happen here is all that CHANGE the democrats were saying they were going to do,May be next election you will vote all these idiots out .

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flasher702 said on March 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM

They should end the sales tax exemption for all food. It's not worth the effort to discriminate between food and non-food items (and who decides if something is "candy" or not? And then who reprograms all the databases to differentiate between tax-exempt food and taxed food?) just to preserve what is essentially a tax break for the rich. Ex: rich guy A saves $2 on his steaks by arguing that it's imperative to save poor guy B $0.09 on a loaf of bread. That's not altruistic, nor socially progressive, nor fiscally conservative; it's just a combination of greed and bad math. I'm sure our legislators could combine the measure with increases to food subsistence programs and get relevant NPOs to support it. Increased business efficiency would just be an added bonus.

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fedupinwa said on March 1, 2010 at 1:00 PM

I'm going to quit smoking. Start having my friend take me to Ft.Lewis to by my gum, candy & bottled water. I already buy all my food there anyway. Not going to give wicked witch of the west get's more of my money. Why don't they take a pay cut, learn to live like us commom folk's.?

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downwardspiral said on March 1, 2010 at 12:42 PM

more taxes for the working so we can give more to those who dont...yea!

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