Citizens voice their opinions about suspension of I-960

oldguy said on February 15, 2010 at 11:52 PM

You guys are right to point out waste in government, but are you going to sing the praises of corporate rule? Corporations are worse. They don't even pretend to have ethics. Their bottom line is their ONLY interest and they don't care who they lie to or cheat to get it. Their only rule is not getting caught and they find ways to escape regulation. Market place controls, don't. We need government. We're dead without it. We need to hold government's feet to the fire, but do it in a constructive way instead of the stupid destructive way warring pied pipers are doing. Those who argue to weaken government are getting close to treason. As a nation, right now we are injured and wounded. If it gets worse, it could be fatal. What were “3rd World Countries” not long ago are passing us up. Our own corporations have helped it happen. What if they decide to take us down? If we get taken down, at least let’s not deserve it.

allfacts said on February 15, 2010 at 8:11 AM

factoid is right to a point. We do need to eliminate waste, fraud, and inefficiency. Here in our state we have already cut to the bone last budget, and any further cuts will hurt a lot of people that did nothing wrong. We are short 2.6 billion. Either raise taxes, or cut services, jobs, support of people that CAN'T work. I hate paying taxes as much as the next guy. Instead of complaining, I do all I can to be sure my tax dollars are spent as wisely as possible, and not just "lost" in Iraq, or in Olympia. I decided to get involved in making my government better, instead of just complaining. I try to listen to all sides, and call em as I see em. I also don't like being lied to by the Fox News gang (there were no wmd's in Iraq Hannity) or told to blame "liberals" by hate radio "I want Obama to fail" traitors. I know who to blame. Corporations, and corporate owned consolidated media trying to distract us.

factoid said on February 15, 2010 at 7:54 AM

"oldguy" While I agree with you regarding basing opinions based on facts, I for one listen to all sides. Over half of us believe Government has enough of our money. I also believe that they can easily cut 1/3 of spending and we as the taxpayer would not even notice. Government is wasteful, inefficient and more than likely corrupt. If you have ever been to a Government office, you will know what I mean. The people voted to make tax increases the last resort and difficult to do. The politicians are defying the will of the people and are taking the lazy, easy way out. They need to do their job and make the hard choices.

oldguy said on February 15, 2010 at 1:51 AM

I've enjoyed reading these comments. A forum like this helps to form better opinions based on truth rather than bombastic rhetoric. People like Rush, Hannity, Beck, etc. remind me of the parishioner who saw his preacher's sermon notes with a comment in the margin that said, "Argument weak, pound pulpit and shout like hell." Based on my experience, It’s difficult to disagree with "allfacts" since so many are quickly led by the verbosity of well-dressed pied pipers. It's a proven fact that humans believe anything their mind is exposed to often and long enough. They are influenced more by appearances than truth. The pied pipers know this and their sinister method is working. Sadly, the public is so busy with daily necessities that they quickly forget history and fall sucker to the piper's pitches. The best way to enslave people is keep them poor, in debt, and struggling so they have no time to remember and think. Trust your memory more than verbosity. Keep thinking and writing.

allfacts said on February 14, 2010 at 11:16 PM

It is amazing how many people complain about what happens in Olympia. It is a lot easier to complain about "them politicians" than offer solutions that are anything more than dishonest campaign ad material, and think tank talking points. - jah20 calls programs that help the folks not born with silver spoons up their arses "handouts for votes". The day jah20 falls off his horse it will be him needing the same stinking handouts though. Amazing... - gadaki, yes voters are not only stupid, they are so ideological that they support policies that are openly destroying their lives, their families, and the planet as a whole because the likes of Hannity and Rush told them to. Why do our prescriptions cost so much more here? Our health care? Almost twice as much per person as the rest of the developed world. - Because it is so much easier to blame "others" than face reality. Especially blaming people striving to make government better, and work for all, instead of just sabotaging it. -

sls41 said on February 14, 2010 at 7:44 PM

Follow the money it seams that both party's are in someone's pocket. I wish we could vote them all out and start new with a party that will follow the state and federal constitution. Lobbyist should be banned but that would be dreaming to think that could happen.

peterh said on February 14, 2010 at 6:28 PM

I cannot believe that our lawmakers have the audacity to suspend a law that the citizens put into place to begin with. This shows just how arrogant and out of touch the bums in Olympia have become.

gadaki said on February 14, 2010 at 5:13 PM

Allfacts, you know, I keep hearing about how stupid the voters are. And yet, it's the voters who seem to be better able to handle their financial affairs than the government. I'm beginning to consider myself Republican (previously had always considered myself "independent") but things are getting ridiculous when lawmakers choose to ignore our rights. "IF' the american voter is so ignorant and uninformed, why aren't we educating them? Then again, that's a completely different issue I have. When I went to school we were taught about this country, our rights, and our responsibilities as citizens. I've met many more people who vote based on research and mature thought than on "fear tactics" or "ignorance". To assume that the people who live in this country are stupid is pure arrogance.

jah20 said on February 14, 2010 at 5:09 PM

Those clowns on olympia just don't get it. Higher taxes means less income, and less income means there's less to tax. They're running this state into bankruptcy and dont' care because they keep buying the votes of the lower class via handouts. This state needs to wake up to the fact that the government is encouraging laziness and supressing independence from the government. Karl Marx would be proud.

gadaki said on February 14, 2010 at 5:09 PM

And by the way, if the "will" has changed, then what is so difficult in putting it before the people as a vote, rather than taking away their rights to choose? That's my objection. I really don't care what law they are overturning, as much as the fact that they are overturning the laws we put into place.

gadaki said on February 14, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Jackwong (cont.) As far as helping others, I'd guess that a higher percentage of my income goes to helping others than average. In spite of being on unemployment comp right now. I share what I have with others. Just because I expect lawmakers to obey the laws we've voted in, doesn't make me any less compassionate. Someone who is compassionate gives to others, doesn't take from others. Someone who is compassionate doesn't usurp the rights of others.

gadaki said on February 14, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Jackwong, am assuming you were talking to me? Anyway, yes, I am talking about the will of the people. The law didn't say they couldn't raise taxes, it said HOW to go about it. They thumbed their noses at our votes. As far as disadvantaged, I grew up in a very low income household. Wore hand-me-downs most of my life due to not being able to afford buying things like clothes. I raised three children as a single parent, most of those years without the help of child support...they learned about hand-me-downs too. Nevertheless, I still say that the lawmakers were wrong to discount the people they supposedly represent. How dare they take away our rights. Our rights aren't theirs to take away.

rmo70 said on February 14, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Lawmakers, Stop spending and call the governor of Virginia to see what he's doing. Many steps to save huge money in his state including closing the state's liquor stores and privatizing that industry, increasing the money realized by his state.....please!!!

allfacts said on February 14, 2010 at 2:54 PM

I am sure everyone remembers McKenna complaining about being threatened by the Bush Crime Family if he tried to enforce our own state's banking laws right? It's like the lunatics want to ignore the criminals that caused this financial mess, people like Phil Graham, and the Bush Gang, and then attack the people that have to clean it up..... Amazing. Blaming Dems for what Bush did. What a laugh. Cutting the rich's taxes, and letting the banksters steal all they wanted, and then leave the next administration to clean up the mess, along with all the states. And then blaming "Gregoire" and our legislators for the tough choices they will have to make. Like being responsible for EVERYONE. Gosh I wish I could convince myself reality doesn't matter so I can be another greedy Republicon living in a fantasy world. Government isn't the problem Ronnie. It is letting Republicons get away with attempting to destroy government is the problem.

allfacts said on February 14, 2010 at 2:16 PM

gadaki you have a very good point. There is only one major problem. Many of the "people" voting are so ignorant and uninformed that saying "tax cut" makes them pee their pants while implying "socialism" makes them wet their beds. Did you see the Research 2000 poll of what "Republicans" really believe? These people are certifiably insane, and yet they are still allowed to vote. I could fund a referendum and scare greedy ignorant self centered zombies into supporting almost anything. Even if it was not responsible. We face tough choices here in Washington. I trust Gregoire far more than any dishonest clown with a -R after their name... And factoid. I used to be poor, and now I have a bunch of employees. It's because I was allowed to prosper in a society that worked. Take away the security, and we are a 3rd world country. Now SCOTUS determined the corporate death dealers can spend unlimited $$ buying politicians, and influencing elections, it will only get worse. Goodbye America

jackwong said on February 14, 2010 at 1:00 PM

I keep hearing you all talking about the "Will of the People". That "will" was 3 years ago before things went sour with the bad economy. The will has changed now. There are a lot more people who relies on food stamps, DSHS, basic health, etc to get by. Wait until you meet some of these people who are disadvantaged and grew up in an unjust society - and try to say "no" to their faces. The "will" now is more taxes... this "will" was shown in the 2008 general election, when all the tax hikes were passed by the people, and the recent school levies which passed with flying colors. The "will" has changed. Americans(mostly the democrats) are an compassionate group of people who likes to look out for eachother. Just as Gov. Gregoire should expendiently change her stance on taxes, as the conditions have changed.

gadaki said on February 14, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Phaedrus...an initiative still has to be voted on BY THE PEOPLE. Regardless of who gets the signatures for submitting it. It is OUR votes our lawmakers are flushing down the toilet. I am American and I want to live in a country that is set up the way this country was. I want to have my vote count, I want a government 'of the people, by the people, for the people'. Overturned what we have passed into law, is telling us that we don't count. Our rights don't count. That's not the way this country was set up, that's not the way it should be run. There are other countries that don't have those rights, be we still "supposedly" do. If we stand up for them and let our legislators know that we won't vote them back into office is they don't recognize our rights.

gadaki said on February 14, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Allfacts...I'm one of those people....I'm on unemployment insurance right now...but I'd FAR rather be off it than have our lawmakers totally ignore OUR votes. That is the real issue. What vote they are changing is a red herring...all this talk about raising taxes is a red herring... the real issue is that they are making a mockery of our choices, our votes, our voices. What about that?

factoid said on February 14, 2010 at 12:08 PM

"pixelater" Great comment, I had not heard of Margaret Thatcher's quote. jackwong just throws out comments with no regard to the truth, so I have learned not to get frustrated by his intellectually corrupt statements.

beetle73 said on February 14, 2010 at 11:56 AM

jackwong, hmm cali is having a major budget crisis right now. hell, last year they sent out iou's for tax returns. so please tell how they are a rich state? how much am i supposed to give and give to the state? hell, they do what they want to regardless of what we the voters say.

pixelater said on February 14, 2010 at 11:22 AM

jackwong AKA tomlee, to paraphrase Margret Thatcher" socialism works great until you run out of other peoples money" The working middle class is tired of supporting those that feel the government owes them. Two years ago I had 40 employees, now we are down to 25 and some are job sharing so that they can still get their benefits. My wife hasn't drawn a wage for over a year and my wages have been cut 30%. We haven't cut our employees’ wages, they didn't create this issue. The middle class working Americans have had enough.

factoid said on February 14, 2010 at 11:21 AM

Well for all you tax enthusiasts, what would you say to 10.8% sales tax, graduated income tax, $700 car tabs, higher tolls, tax on food, higher gas tax, property tax increases and all the other fees and fines they will raise. Sure, tax the rich and give to the poor, great idea. Problem is, I have never been employed by a poor person. The point is that the initiative was passed by the people, regardless of who gathered signatures. If you condone overturning the peoples will, with what can only be described as corrupt and dishonest tactics by the Democrats, you deserve what's coming.

allfacts said on February 14, 2010 at 9:06 AM

oldguy. The think tanks where they get the Ronnie Raygun talking points never seems to want to talk about the fact that Jimmy Carter, their "arch enemy" created more private sector jobs in 4 years than Ray Gun created in 8.... Am I willing to pay a little more in taxes to support our economy so I can make money later, or should the government go bankrupt, and we can live like all the folks do in Mexico.... Take your pick.... Everyone here does know that our tax system in this state is one of the most regressive in the nation right? The poor pay more and the rich, and the super rich pay less. My Republican Tax Assessor friend explained to me how expenses go up and taxes go up. Simple math. For me it is all about what we get for our tax dollars. I prefer funding infrastructure, and job creation instead of endless war with zero return other than hate.

phaedrus said on February 14, 2010 at 9:03 AM

For those of you who think this is about government going against the will of the people think again. Every state that has tried to run government by initiative has neither solved the perceived problem nor been any better off for it. The initiative process in WA recently received an "F" rating. There are no checks and balances to the process. Signature gatherers are brought in from out of state and paid by the signature. This turns it into a tool for those with money to force the government to enact legislation that is not in the best interests of the people of the state. Worse yet, it removes the ability of our elected representatives to debate and compromise; which effectively removes the representation of the minority voice. I-960 was bad law that needed to go and I applaud the legislators who had the strength of character to get rid of it.

oldguy said on February 14, 2010 at 8:56 AM

What! no one defending Reagan, the darling of tax complainers who took America from being the long time world’s largest lender to being the world’s biggest debtor? The Cheney-Bush Administration exceeded it. They did more in half the time. Worse, we’re in deep doo-doo with our Republican led businesses outsourcing American jobs and ingenuity to “third-world” countries trying to reduce American workers to the same level…and Cheney-Bush gave them tax breaks to do it. If a business is down-and-out, the only way up is either to borrow and gamble on their ability to climb out of the hole, declare bankruptcy and leave all their creditors holding the bag, or find a sucker to sell out to. Government is like a family. We don't send Mom out on the street or eat the kids. Either we have to borrow and work our way out of the hole, declare bankruptcy and suffer a hostile takeover, or be sold out by a traitor. Cut our legislators some slack. Let's roll up our sleeves and go to work.

oldguy said on February 14, 2010 at 4:04 AM

All the Reagan banner wavers should check the records instead of the hype. The actor and former labor union leader ran to be California's Governor on a cut-taxes and increase freedom ticket. It sounded good until everyone found out what he meant. All he did was shift taxes from the rich to the middle class. He lowered the upper bracket income taxes, got rid of the state's luxury tax, lowered corporation taxes; and then raised the biggest income producing tax, sales tax, a whopping 50%. Don't believe it? Check it out. While you are doing that take note that in terms of income percent, the middle class pays far more sales tax than the rich do. When people complained, he proclaimed that "TAXES SHOULD HURT." That's the truth and exactly how he worded it in his weekly radio broadcasts...until someone got a peek at his own income tax return and found that he hadn't paid a red cent on over a cool $million for each of the last two years. Check the newspaper records on that too.

oldguy said on February 14, 2010 at 3:32 AM

Anyone who thinks Ronald Reagan was a hero should talk to family farmers during his Presidency. I remember newspaper headlines that mourned the high suicide rate of farmers hurt by RR’s policies that “farming is just a business and if you can’t make it without government help, get out of the way and let the big boys take over.” Well the big boys did take over and guess what? They got government help. RR was no hero. He was just a slick script reader for whomever had the most money to spend. Some credit him for ending the Cold War with Russia, but when he died, Pope John Paul was eulogized for doing that. I think that the one good thing he did was wage war on the Indian’s revenge--tobacco. His whiskered Surgeon General, C. Everett Koop, took them on and saved a lot of us from our own stupidity.

oldguy said on February 14, 2010 at 3:22 AM

Republicans complain about BIG GOVERNMENT. If you want to know what they mean about that, just check to see what they do when they get in power. For them it means getting rid of truth-in-lending laws, truth-in-advertising laws, lemon laws, and every other consumer protection laws. If they can’t get them legislated out, they just cut the funding for the agencies or gut their authority. The mess our nation is in now is a direct result of these policies. The financial gurus like Alan Greenspan, Dick Rubin, Ben Bernanke, Hank Paulson, Timothy Geithner all opposed regulatory controls of financial fraud such as “derivatives.” Since when do American’s endorse fraud? Look what a mess that has created. It’s time the Republican "Party of Responsibility" stood up and took the blame for the messes they make.

oldguy said on February 14, 2010 at 2:59 AM

Allfacts is right. All the Reagan wannabees complain about Democrat's open and upfront tax-and-spend policies, but only replace them with sneaky borrow-and-spend policies that bankrupt everyone for years to come. They replace welfare fraud with wealthy fraud. Heyler7 noted that California is in a fiscal mess. Ever notice that happens with each Republican governor they've had since Reagan? Don't believe it? Check it out! In the 1999-2000 Presidential campaign Howard Dean proclaimed that it was a Republican goal to deplete the nation's treasury so badly that programs like Social Security and Medicare would die for lack of funding since they had been unsuccessful in getting them legislated away. It looks like the "R's" are right on track both nationally and in California. Howard Dean was vilified for saying it, but he was right and the truth is still hurting.

allfacts said on February 14, 2010 at 1:40 AM

Remember, every single person commenting here are one slip on the ice away from needing the same "services" we want to "cut" from others. There is more to life, and serving our country than the endless pursuit of compounding our wealth while others never have a chance to ever get ahead. And if they do start to get ahead, they are one bout with sickness, or one outsourced job away from losing everything.... I wouldn't want to live in a "conservative's" dreamworld where it is the wild wild west, and winner takes all the the rest are left to rot. The folks in Olympia are doing their best to be responsible. Sorry for the newsflash. We may have to pay a little more through tough times. The alternative is horrifying. Unless of course "they" can come live at your house. By the way "fellowtraveler" when you mention welfare you must be talking about corporate welfare. For every penny a single mom gets, a corporation somewhere gets $1,000. Welcome to today's corporate controlled America.

allfacts said on February 14, 2010 at 1:23 AM

Reagan factoid? Borrowed 2 trillion from Social Security to make his disaster trickle UP garbage help the rich economy look better. Reagan's fantasies of destroying the middle class are the reason America turned from the world's largest creditor nation into the world's largest debtor nation. bobknowsnothing - Isn't it funny the folks that cry about taxes the loudest are the ones more than willing to spend 10K apiece on a needless war in Iraq. Go figure..... Tell you what. Let's just lay off half the cops, teachers, and firemen, and empty all the jails. Then we can cut some taxes yeeeehawwww!!! Let the poor starve, and the homeless freeze. Let the vets rot, and the old wander the streets. To heck with paying for them right "conservatives"? Right? (insert profanity here) If it was up to Republicans we would have no Social Security, no Medicare, no regulations, and the rich could feed off the corpses of the poor. America would be renamed Talibangelicaltortureland!

realitychk said on February 13, 2010 at 11:16 PM

jackwong needs to pony up and start donating all of his wages to support his special causes. jackwong probably doesn't work and wants his dole increased. anyone claiming to be that liberal with others' money is a recipient of others' money or is a troll. those who vote for increased taxes should pay them. when the gov't actually starts cutting the waste then they can complain about not enough money. trolls like jackwong are merely around to prove themselves jackdonkeys.

gloscot said on February 13, 2010 at 10:59 PM

Jackwong. Boy, you sure make a lot of assumptions about your fellow citizens. I for one am not weighing taxes versus a sports car or a vacation. I'm wondering how much more money I can part with before I can't save anymore or have a buffer of more than a few hundred bucks a month after I pay my mortgage and pay the rest of my bills. My wife and I have four kids and live off one income. I don't need the government taking any more of my money, especially when the people made it very clear they don't want them to do this. You mention we are in a recession. So what? Do you believe a government is going to roll back the taxes they placed on you when times get better? If government wasn't so blasted big we wouldn't be in the mess we're in. It's nice to know that you seem to value your liberty and freedom so much that you are willing to hand it over to a bunch of thieving politicians. A healthy amount of self respect you seem to have there.

gadaki said on February 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM

I am currently unemployed due to layoffs, but I'd much rather run out of unemployment compensation than have our lawmakers destroy our rights. We voted. They decided our votes don't count. I say we show them in November that our votes DO count.

jcman said on February 13, 2010 at 9:30 PM

mtrgphr: You say, "I say it is time we take back olympia and vote responsible people into office." Then you better find some people who aren't associated with a political party to run so they don't have any sense of obligation to either party but rather to the people. I say get rid of parties and then we can see what the individual running for office really stands for.

factoid said on February 13, 2010 at 9:27 PM

"fellowtraveller" You are absolutely right. I fear the 'tipping point' is very close. Unfortunately the tax and spend politicians in this State have adopted a 'it will never happen here' mentality, or they just have their heads in the sand. President Reagan gave us the longest peacetime economic expansion in history, not by raising taxes, but by cutting them. You can't argue with success. Studies have shown that most Americans don't mind paying their fair share of taxes, but when they feel like their are being over taxed, they either cheat or find ways to reduce their burden. In either case the net result to Government is less revenue.

jackwong said on February 13, 2010 at 8:17 PM

@mtrgphr: The education levies passed because a majority of people thought it was important. And that's that... there's no arguiing with the majority. You are at least working, how about the disabled, socially oppressed, or the low-income? @maltbymike: CA and NY are two of the richest states in United States, I don't know what you are talking about. They celebrate a diversity unlike any other state - because the people believe in more social programs and true social justice. If they are so bankrupt, how come they are still able to sustain a high level of welfare and healthcare for the poor there?

fellowtraveller said on February 13, 2010 at 8:16 PM

House Finance Committee Chairman Hunter began his introductory remarks by noting that 48 states are facing budget shortfalls. We've all heard about California but how about a potential $13 billion shortfall in Illinois? Most of these states have both state income taxes AND sales taxes (plus, as we do, a lengthy menu of other taxes and fees). At current rates, income taxes are not a panacea. Surcharges and "soak the rich" schemes are possible, as in Oregon, but it is far from certain that significant numbers of individuals won't move and take their businesses with them. California's experience suggests many will do so and we'll soon see if some Oregon businesses relocate to SW Washington. What will happen when 50%-plus-1 of our electorate is dependent on government for jobs or welfare is no trivial question. You can vote to confiscate the wealth of others -- once.

maltbymike said on February 13, 2010 at 7:33 PM

jackwong is wrong again. The voters passed I960 and your liberal rats feel superior to the voters decision. If you have the spare funds you are more than welcome to pass it on to Gregoire and all her pals. The voters will see to their demise as they should. The wealthy are bailing on NY, at least the ones with common sense and CA is left to the hollywood types and illegal hispanics. Good riddance to them all. You CANNOT spend your way out of a recession nor can you tax your way out of it. Your social justice is social suicide to others.

ddw3579 said on February 13, 2010 at 7:27 PM

I expected this article to be about the true issue regarding the state democrats (except 1) going against the will of the people who voted FOR I-690 and suspending the law. It wasn't. I feel its like the health care debate. Democrats will not let it go away even though the citizens do not support it. Taxes never go away. The state needs to restrict spending. Start by requiring those on welfare to take drug tests sort of like how those on unemployment get called at random to get their work histories checked. Put limits on how long people are on welfare. Its a help up not a hand out.

fellowtraveller said on February 13, 2010 at 7:24 PM

As House Finance Committee Chairman said in his introductory remarks at today's hearing on I-960, 48 states are facing deficits. We've all heard about California but consider, too, Illinois with its potential $13 billion shortfall. Most of these states have income taxes AND sales taxes. A very high percentage of filers pay no federal income tax now and would pay no state income tax. Some would see this as only right; others would question whether we've reached a "tipping point" when the "beneficiaries" of government programs, including those who work for government, outnumber individuals involved in private enterprise at the polls and can then effectively confiscate that private sector wealth -- once. In any case, an income tax at the rates other states assess it does not appear to be an immediate panacea. And to say that individuals won't move if state rates get too high? California's reported net loss of businesses is pertinent. Oregon's recent vote is likely another test case.

mtrgphr said on February 13, 2010 at 7:17 PM

Jackwong sir I will ask one question When is enough enough? My house taxes raise because a levy passes. The tolls on the Narrows go up so it will cost me $80 dollars a week just to go to work to pay higher Sales taxes and Gas taxes. Every thing goes up but my Income. The democrates only care about taking my money and giving it to others. I say it is time we take back olympia and vote responsible people into office.

gadaki said on February 13, 2010 at 6:52 PM

I find it interesting that no one addressed the REAL issue. The fact that our lawmakers are completely ignoring the will of the voters. We voted that there be a 2/3 majority OR a vote by the people to approve new laws, and rather than following what WE voted to be law, they overturned it. This isn't about raising taxes, this is about breaking trust with the people that they claim to represent. If our leaders don't follow the laws we set, can we really trust them?

phaedrus said on February 13, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Ronald Regan coined the phrase "Tax and spend Democrats". Just like everything else about old Ron, it was a lie then and it's still a lie. The Democrats support tax money being spent on the poor and working people. The Republicans support tax money being spent on war and the wealthy. The biggest difference is that the Democrats raise taxes to pay for their expenses, the Republicans on the other hand just borrow to cover their expenses and then point fingers at the Democrats when the bill comes due and taxes have to be raised to pay for it. Blaming Democrats for big government is not only false it represents a pervasive ignorance that is itself, in large part, the source of the problem.

heyler7 said on February 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM

State income tax will take us down the road CA is currently in! You might want to brush up on your econ 101... increase taxes is not the answer. CA is broke, in months we will all see what will happen to the State of CA! Wake up people.

bobknows said on February 13, 2010 at 6:28 PM

Democrats never found a tax they didn't support. They hate it when the voters get in the way of their HIGHER TAXES. Democratic fascism is alive and well. Taxed Enough Already!!

jackwong said on February 13, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Definitely a victory for residents of Washington State! Stories of George Adams is all too common, and must be heard. Why couldn't Chris Williams just spare a little more and spend less to help the ones who can't help themselves? People ALWAYS feel tapped out, tapped out on what? Not being able to take a extra vacation? Buy that sports car? Our country is in a RECESSION! There are people who cannot work and needs benefits to survive. With I960 out of the way, we can definitely think about a much needed state income tax... California and New York has one, and the wealthy people still stay there. I will definitely vote Democrats again to do us more social justice.