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Geocachers victims of 'geo-smashers'

by ERIC WILKINSON / KING 5 News

KING5.com

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 3:46 PM

Updated Monday, May 31 at 4:50 PM

SEATTLE - Geocaching is a popular pastime here in the Northwest - but one that is now being targetted by a small group of environmentalists. Geocaching is fast becoming "geo-smashing," with vandals destroying caches in the name of protecting forests.

Geocachers use GPS systems to search for hidden treasures left behind by fellow game players. Hiking trails are among the most popular spots.

"It's so peaceful. It's just beautiful out here," says David Vaughn as he hunts for treasure on Cougar Mountain near Issaquah.

"This is one of those places that I may not have even known existed," says David's wife Jacquie. "It probably never would have been on my beaten path."

But it's what happens off that beaten path that has some taking matters into their own hands.

People calling themselves "Forest Defenders" have been searching out the caches themselves and destroying them - tossing them in the trash and posting pictures on the internet.  They say cachers are harming habitats and destroying fragile vegetation by traipsing off the trails.  They even claim caches have been planted on a sacred Indian burial site on Whidbey Island. 

Geocachers admit there are some who head off the trails to places they shouldn't be, but they also say they're working to educate those folks about responsible geocaching. Geocachers say they regularly clean up trails and parks.  They held an Earth Day event earlier this year in Carnation. 

"It wasn't just plastic bottles and cigarette butts," says Jacquie.  "We ended up pulling out a lawnmower. Parts of bikes."

But even as geocachers continue their quests -- critics are hot on the trail.  One blogger posting "this will not be tolerated" and "not on my watch."

 

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caredus said on October 7, 2010 at 6:54 PM

Geocachers are "destroying vegetation by traipsing off the path"? LMFAO. I will traipse off any path I please, geocacher or otherwise. This is my planet as much as it is theirs, and "traipsing off a path" does not equal vandalism. Lunatics.

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crabapple86 said on July 19, 2010 at 10:58 PM

Slugman on June first said in part: "First, geo-caching is not legal in National Forest or National Park wilderness areas." Not 100% true. In National Forest Wilderness areas it is illegal. However, in normal National Forest parks it is perfectly legal. WITH permission. Without permission is illegal.

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justabry13 said on June 2, 2010 at 1:13 PM

As an avid geocacher, I would like to point out that 98% of all caches hidden in the outdoors follow all the rules and guidelines set up by Geocaching.com. These rules are designed to PROTECT the environment and areas surrounding the geocache location. The 2% of caches that are not hidden correctly and are violating... See More the rules should be reported by ... See Morethe members out looking for it, as that is our responsibility to do so. This "Forest Defender" is also a cacher themselves and admits it in the blog. Why cant he or she just report the ones that they finds inappropriate instead of going to an unnecessary extreme that somehow makes him or her feel extra special? I for one am absolutely furious with this person and would like to say he or she wants to be special and known for what they are doing, why be such a coward and hide your name, your face, and not even let anyone post any comments on the blog. Are they afraid of the criticism that will come their way?

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affis said on June 1, 2010 at 12:38 PM

I find it interesting that "Forest Defenders" follow the same routes to the caches that caches do, but it is OK for them to do this, just not the general public. To me this group is just a common gang, advocating thievery as an accepted action. I hope they get caught, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. This has happened elsewhere. The blog provider for their blog does not allow complaints to be registered, allowing free speech, but when that free speech is advising breaking the law, it should. Perhaps if the geocaching.com site itself approached the blog provider, something could be done. In the meantime, let's just call this "Forest Defender" group, or individual for what it is...a thug, punk, common criminal, whatever one wishes to call it. The word coward comes to mind, and in capital letters. The geocaching community does pretty well at policing itself. We don't need dimwits stepping in, but apparently they have.

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peterjweber said on June 1, 2010 at 12:00 PM

Er, down in Arizona we have a real cache - a lost goldmine and an unfound, 120-year old gold cache in The Superstition Mt Wilderness area, and this is a very real pursuit; many have died trying to find it. Those in search of this treasure are called 'Dutch-hunters' after Jacob Waltz who left the gold cache, he a German miner-farmer known erroneously as "The Dutchman." He died before revealing the mine's location to friends, and the search was on. Yes, gps is a great help and sometimes a lifesaver. Er, when you're lost, you know exactly where you're lost at! Har! That an outdoor game involving gps would develop is not surprising, but what is surprising is that some take it upon themselves, for whatever reasons, to define the use of our public lands which we all share. Now, if you are against destroying 'the environment' or into "protecting" anything, why not just buy yourself some land and protect it? Otherwise, share. There are laws against threatening others. Watch what you say.

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ohcmon said on June 1, 2010 at 11:21 AM

To be fair, It is true that there are some persons in the geocaching community that aren't following the rules. Items in caches that are forbidden. Caches placed in areas where they should not be. Some cache seekers are not respecting the land around it. BUT , Geo-Smashing is not a proper response. There exists a mechanism for reporting these problems. A problem cache can be reported to the cache owner, to the webmasters or even appeal to other nearby cachers, caching groups, or event attendees. One of the first steps that "Forest Defender", should be doing is to contact the land owner or land manager. If the cache is authorized at its location and within the rules and isn't causing undue problems in the land manager's opinion, then it belongs there.

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apstyle said on June 1, 2010 at 11:00 AM

As a geocacher and an environmentalist, it is unfortunate to see so many characterizing environmentalists as "terrorists". I do not stand for what this one single anti-geocacher has done. If they do not support geocaching, then they do not support trail-building, they do not support humans allowed in the forests, and they do not support any other activity that changes the ecosystem in minor ways but allows us all to get out and enjoy Mother Nature. I have met hundreds of geocachers since I started this wonderful hobby, and I must say, they are extremely respectful of the rules and rights of private property as well as sensitive land. If something is not in the right place, they should contact Groundspeak and get it archived on geocaching.com immediately.

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slugman said on June 1, 2010 at 8:55 AM

I noticed several interesting things in this article and the comments. First, geo-caching is not legal in National Forest or National Park wilderness areas. Stashing of equipment or other items is specifically prohibited. Personally I think it's harmless, and even if I didn't I wouldn't touch someone else's geo-cache. Secondly, the right-wing nutcases who haunt these comment boards are using the actions of perhaps just one person to denigrate all environmentalists and even Subaru drivers. So, I guess all neo-cons are torture-loving Nazis because of the actions of a few at Abu Grahib? And you are all pedophiles because of the actions of a few "conservatives" in the Catholic church? I'm glad we cleared that up. Also, did you notice that these neo-cons can't spell, can't write a coherent sentence, can't think clearly, and tend to be violent psychopaths? It shows just what a stupid, violent, ignorant country America is becoming due to the sheer idiocy of right-wing talk radio.

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lcwnw said on June 1, 2010 at 8:14 AM

Forest Defender is not a group - duh. It's just one person. I've read the blog. I know about one of the caches that was trashed. He/she/it so completely misrepresented the facts about this cache to justify what he did. I have no respect for someone who needs to lie in order to convince others that what he/she/it is doing is the right thing. Wrong. Get a clue, people. This person is doing it for attention, nothing more. If I had to guess the age, I'd say in their late teens...

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jebediahyoder said on June 1, 2010 at 7:21 AM

If your a geo-smasher, you might wanna think twice before you venture out . Do a search for Paul Repak and geocaching and read about what happened to him. He was caught, arrested, emabrrassed in front of his family, job, and Adirondack Community(where he was a professional Guide, paddler, troop lewader, ect). If you continue to smasg geocaches long enough, you will get caught. Some geocachers use trail cameras (me being one) and other methods of caching geocache thiefs and thos ewho destroy them. IT IS ILLEGAL AND YOU WILL BE PROSECUTED!

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nugent said on June 1, 2010 at 6:22 AM

I'm gonna head out this weekend and will chop down a couple trees and make a giant bonfire out of them in honor of the "Forest Defenders" self righteousness. Oh, yes, I'm heavily armed as well so if it comes to that should be interesting.

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clear2copy said on June 1, 2010 at 2:24 AM

oh yes..and everyone follows the 'rules'..uh huh

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ohcmon said on June 1, 2010 at 1:29 AM

I play the geocaching game. I grew up near a national forest and I'm fairly sure I know right from wrong. BUT These self-proclaimed environmentalists are merely advocating teft and vandalism. In the early days of geocaching, the courts decided in-favor of the game; stating that geocaches are NOT litter because they are NOT abandoned. A cache container and its contents are owned by the person who placed it. The rules of the game require the permission of the land owner or land manager before the cache can be placed. The rules forbid geocaches on Indian lands; therefore, the "Forest Defender's" claim that a cache exists on a sacred burial sight is either a cache that is placed against the rules which should be, reported to the caching community. It is also possible that "Forest Defender"'s claim regarding misplaced caches is simply false.

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anonymoususer said on May 31, 2010 at 10:35 PM

I've never tried geo cashing yet either - Since the environmental terrorists are out to destroy it, I'll be buying a GPS soon. Remember the tree nazis are dangerous - they are the same kooks who booby trap gates on forest roads. The tree nazis seem to think it's okay for them to be out on public lands but nobody else has the same right (narcissism at its "finest")

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outandabout said on May 31, 2010 at 9:48 PM

Unbeleivable. If they spent a bit more time and energy defending against the important stuff maybe gallons of oil wouldn't be spewing into the ocean as we speak. The outdoors are meant to be explored and enjoyed by all. I think I will give geocaching a try, sounds fun.

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clear2copy said on May 31, 2010 at 9:43 PM

looks like it's time for the weekend wanna-be REI dressing, Subaru driving bunch will have to find another way to damage the forests

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queenanne said on May 31, 2010 at 9:34 PM

The argument was about some people wanting to put their caches in forests and other people taking exception and destroying them... a minor disagreement in the scheme of things - then "anonymoususer" starts talking about shooting people on sight, and in the next breath calling them "terrorists." What have we come to, when the least little argument is excuse for shooting and killing. And who is the terrorist here. It's the lowest most animalistic reaction, except that he has guns. I think this species has about had it.

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funhog5368365882 said on May 31, 2010 at 9:07 PM

This has nothing to do with liberals or conservatives. All types enjoy caching. The first thing that strikes me is that the person (or persons) who have taken it upon themselves to be the Forest Police, fail to realize that what they are doing is more likely to lead to habitat destruction that merely leaving the caches in place. If coordinates or clues are published on the internet, seekers expect to find the hidden treasure. If the cache has been removed and the listing is still available online, folks might search, and search and search for a nonexistent box... in the process causing lots more damage than would've ever happened in the first place.

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cj_voges said on May 31, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Oh Shucks. the Green Wienies strike again. If these "people" put as much energy into saving the earth as they do ruining it for the rest of us, they'ed have to find another job

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gottabebacon said on May 31, 2010 at 7:15 PM

Oh goody, another hate group.

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anonymoususer said on May 31, 2010 at 7:04 PM

These environmental kooks need to be shot on sight - rid the world of eco-terrorism. .......................... If someone cut down a tree for every geo-cashe they smash, their terrorist activities will soon stop.

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cmncnts said on May 31, 2010 at 5:14 PM

How environmental is it to drive somewhere and ruin someone else's fun? How much waste is created with the maintenance of enviro-supremist websites? I have some questions for these enviro-supremists. How many of you enviro-supremist- -have an education in botany, biology, zoology or bio-chemistry? -are not actually educated by media and rhetoric? -can identify 5 Washington noxious weeds? -have volunteered your time removing such weeds? -grow your own food? -think buying organic reduces your carbon footprint? -buy biodiesel that was brewed from foreign sources? -contribute to solutions to environmental issues, rather than blame others for causing problems? An enviro-supremist cries about a small plant struggling to grow because of a geocache. What are those enviro-supremists doing about the scotchbroom choked medians while they create carbon on the drive out to remove these geocaches? Get a clue. Have some common sense you enviro-supremists.

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homerj said on May 31, 2010 at 5:07 PM

People calling themselves "Forest Defenders" have been searching out the caches themselves and destroying them - tossing them in the trash and posting pictures on the internet. They say cachers are harming habitats and destroying fragile vegetation by traipsing off the trails.....ummmmm aren't you as well....if they are traipsing off trails that means you are as well.....can' t you not see how hypocritical you are....if homer can see it and you can't..then you are pretty stupid.

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libhater said on May 31, 2010 at 4:35 PM

amazing..stupid liberals

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jake518 said on May 31, 2010 at 3:57 PM

Idiots. The geocachers are doing nothing wrong. I'm willing to bet that these geo-smashers are doing just as much damage to the enviroment . Geo-smashers: let these geocachers do what they want to do and have their fun.

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