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U.S. government won't recognize same-sex marriages in Washington

by JOE FRYER / KING 5 News

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Posted on February 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Updated Tuesday, Feb 14 at 8:01 PM

BOSTON -- Even if same-sex marriages become a reality in Washington, the federal government will not recognize those marriages.  That has already prompted federal lawsuits in states where gay marriage has been on the books for years.

"It's sad and discouraging to know that we're treated as if there's a first- and second-class system of marriages," said Marlin Nabors, who lives in Massachusetts and married Jonathan Knight five years ago.

Nabors and Knight are plaintiffs in one of the lawsuits, challenging part of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.  Congress passed the bill and President Bill Clinton signed it in 1996.

The law means that, even though Nabors and Knight are married in Massachusetts, they cannot file federal taxes as a couple; they must check the box that says "single."  They figure it costs them about $1,000 a year.  And for other couples, it can be even more complicated, they say.

"Tax time is never fun, but that makes it a little worse," Knight said.

Gay and Lesbian Advocated and Defenders (GLAD), a gay-rights legal group, is working with plaintiffs on the lawsuits.

"There's a whole scope of rights that accrue from the federal government that are basic bread-and-butter programs that same-sex couples at this point don't have access to," said Lee Swislow, GLAD's executive director. 

That includes Social Security benefits, something that upsets Maureen Brodoff and Ellen Wade, who married in Massachusetts nearly eight years ago.

"The idea that my Social Security that I've earned and the benefits that would be available to my spouse, were I to die, are not available to Ellen, that bothers me a lot," Brodoff said.

Click here to watch the first part of Joe Fryer's look at Massachusetts' gay marriage law

In 2010, a district court ruled in favor of Nabors, Knight and the other plaintiffs in their case. Their case will now go before an appeals court.

A similar case in Connecticut is also moving its way through federal court. 

The Obama administration has decided to not longer defend the Defense of Marriage Act, but Republican Congressional leaders are making sure the law is defended.  Many legal experts agree the issue might have to be settled by the U.S. Supreme Court. 

Other legal issues have also popped up since same-sex marriages became a reality in Massachusetts.  A few parents sued their school district a few years ago because they did not want their children to learn about homosexuality and same-sex marriages. 

But a federal court ruled against them, saying, "the constitutional right of parents to raise their children does not include the right to restrict what a public school may teach their children and that teachings which contradict a parent's religious beliefs do not violate their First Amendment right to exercise their religion."

Opponents of same-sex marriage are still upset with the ruling.

"Federal judges have ruled that we can't get around it, other than parents moving their children from the schools and putting them into private schools," said Kris Mineau of the Massachusetts Family Institute.

Mineau would like to see Massachusetts residents vote on the issue of same-sex marriage, but lawmakers have not voted to put the issue on the ballot.  Since Massachusetts became the first state to legalize gay marriages in 2004, several state lawmakers who initially opposed them have  changed their position on the issue.

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tootoo said on February 17, 2012 at 3:08 PM

@captjp From Rick Santorum's website.

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captjp said on February 17, 2012 at 11:32 AM

I can now say with pride that I'm a true Bigot. Where can I buy my T-shirt and bumper sticker???

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tootoo said on February 17, 2012 at 7:30 AM

@ThinkN-Do We'll be waiting for you at the finish line when you finally evolve tolerance!

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ThinkN-Do said on February 16, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Guess some haven't completed evolving, there's still time.

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tootoo said on February 16, 2012 at 7:00 PM

@ThinkN-Do Evolutionarily, we share a lot of genetic code and traits.

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ThinkN-Do said on February 16, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Guess what tootoo, Humans are not one of those species . . . . nice try though.

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tootoo said on February 16, 2012 at 7:29 AM

@ThinkN-Do Actually, in nature, there are plenty of species that have homosexuality. So in the end, your argument falls back to religion, which opponents of gay marriage are scared to admit, because they know that argument will never hold up.

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alex206 said on February 15, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Its not real marriage anyway so who cares. Marriage is between a man and woman. Gay marriage is the same thing as me going out and "marrying" a phone, cat, cow, ipod, car, table, skyscraper, airplane, or stop sign. Its not a reall marriage and shouldnt be recognized as one.

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ThinkN-Do said on February 15, 2012 at 7:28 PM

This is about more than civil rights, it's about the laws of nature as they apply to mankind. It's interesting how often the pro-anything goes side talks about losing benefits, as is mentioned in this article as well. If we were to discover that millions of people have molested children or animals (there probably are) should be make that legal too? Why not?

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tootoo said on February 15, 2012 at 7:22 PM

@mr_conservative @Thatgirl No one is preventing your free speech. No one is saying you have to like or support gays or gay marriage. We are saying that you can't push your personal beliefs onto them, just like they can't push their personal beliefs onto you. Is that such a hard concept?

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Thatgirl said on February 15, 2012 at 5:35 PM

I think it's hilarious how the gays & their supporters start name calling because we disagree with them. We have the right to our opinion too ya know. Your not the only. You act like spoiled little kids.

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drbooman67094921 said on February 15, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Thanks @agarmy, @genagee, @omajean8, @tootoo, and @c8lsonics, for you truely understand that this is an issue about everyones civil rights, and that marriage does not have to be about procreation. There will always be the naysayers like mr_conservative and other bigots who wish to deny the rights and ideas of anyone who is different, usually on religious grounds. @mr_conservative- you say just a few posts down, and I quote "The upholders of free speech aren't too interested in the free speech of those who disagree with them." You seem to want to uphold marriage, but are not interested in letting others receive the same benefits. Hypocrite. And even though the immediate tax break/penalty of marriage is a big deal to some, the real benefit has to do with inheritance, insurance, and medical access, the same benefits that some have based on their religious marriage but would deny to others based on their lack of a civil marriage proces. Now how discriminatory is that?

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seattle_fudge said on February 15, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Hey genagee: A little basic science for ya. Sperm Egg = Baby Takes a male and a female for that. And, btw, have you seen any stats on the differences between when a child grows up with a dad and mom versus just a single mom?

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seattle_fudge said on February 15, 2012 at 3:28 PM

LOL, scott_bellevue, So dramatic!

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omajean8 said on February 15, 2012 at 3:15 PM

I don't understand what religion has to do with marriage, which is a civil institution that accords certain rights to the two people in the marriage (mostly to do with the division of jointly held assets, child custody and emergency medical care). Making marriage legal for any two humans who want to make this committment puts a few extra dollars into the state budget, and doesn't preclude all you religious folk from practicing whatever you believe to be right. Personally, I pay extra in Federal Income taxes every year for the privilege of being married (although I probably save a few bucks because I don't need to see a lawyer and file a document in order for my husband to see me at the hospital!) Hmmm... that's it - all this who ha is a conspiracy promulgated by lawyers to keep them in business...

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mr_conservative said on February 15, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Wow! The upholders of free speech aren't too interested in the free speech of those who disagree with them. Such is liberalism I guess. These are very sad days for the State of Washington.

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tootoo said on February 15, 2012 at 1:41 PM

@c8lsonics The funny thing is that I actually pasted the definition of "bigot" into my comment, so that people like you couldn't weasel their way out of being a bigot. So I would suggest YOU go look up the definition, because you, in fact, look like the ignorant fool. And for the record, people can be bigoted and spew hate all they want, and I would defend their right to say it, although I may argue with them. What I don't like is when people try to push their bigoted views onto other people. That is un-American.

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jackwong said on February 15, 2012 at 1:15 PM

We need to rally President Obama for another term to fix this.

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mickeygirl03 said on February 15, 2012 at 11:58 AM

I am baffled. Why does it matter if your gay or not? What business does the government have telling people who they can and can't marry? I am not gay but don't care if some one is. A human being is a human being and I am sure that God loves us not for weather or not we are gay but because we are his children. Equal rights gay,straight, bi-sexual who the heck cares!

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genagee said on February 15, 2012 at 11:33 AM

It ALWAYS cracks me up when someone has a username that attempts to profess authority or intelligence in some way and then the stuff that is spewed forth by this "individual" is pure drivel! "medicalknowhow" did NOT disappoint! Maybe you need to go back to school and learn the criteria for becoming president. While your at it please document your source for knowing what would have caused the founding fathers to "rise from their graves" (again, surprising comment from someone with "medicalknowhow" considering the fact that the founding fathers have been dead a really long time and the ONLY thing that would make them rise from their graves is a backhoe). Seems to me the ONLY thing you "knowhow" to do is be an ignorant bigot!

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genagee said on February 15, 2012 at 11:26 AM

In case you didn't notice people have babies without the benefit of marriage EVERY DAY therefore why in the world would you try to validate your stupid argument that marriage has to be validated by reproductive abilities. Do YOU abstain from sex when you are not actively trying to conceive a child? If not then you are a HYPROCRITE (but we already guessed that didn't we?) There is NO scientific or biologic argument FOR marriage. Marriage is a business arrangement at worst and a man-made cultural ritual ritual at best. Science is not needed for that. Biology is not needed for that. Ever met a married couple that chose NOT to have children? Could not have children? Did we void those marriages? What about marriages so someone could stay legally in a host country? What about arranged marriages? Nothing scientific there. Don't look now Roadwork.. but your homophobia and ignorance is showing!

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roadwork said on February 15, 2012 at 10:07 AM

My what a cute couple. Let's see em make an offspring together then I'll side with em. Sorry gays but all science and biology says you are wrong.

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c8lsonics said on February 15, 2012 at 10:03 AM

WOW! kewfly can spew hate speech, but doesn't think anyone else can have an opinion! TooToo, for the record.. look up the definition of bigot. You throw out that word all the time and have no idea what it means! YOU are being bigoted when you are obstinately or intolerantly devoted to your own opinions! You continue to amaze me in you ignorant stupidity!

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tootoo said on February 15, 2012 at 10:00 AM

@mr_conservative A bigot is not just a racist. A bigot is a person devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially ones exhibiting intolerance. By trying to deny gays the right to marry, you are exhibiting bigotry. And as a bit of irony, I'm bigoted towards your bigotry and want to deny you the right to marry.

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kewfly said on February 15, 2012 at 9:35 AM

I think we should vote on whether or not conservatives should be allowed to marry. I mean, do we really need more hate and judgement in the world? I am sure there would be complaints from the conservatives, but they deserve to be treated the same way that homosexuals are treated now. THAT'S fair!

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agarmy said on February 15, 2012 at 9:18 AM

I don't see why gays can't be married, or shouldn't be married. People were so angry when blacks and whites were able to get married, they got over it. People now are against gays marrying, and guess what, you'll get over it. Don't sit here and claim to be a fair and equal society when you give "rights" to some people, but not to other equal taxpaying citizens. If you don't extend the same rights, then they shouldn't have to pay into the system the same way that hetero's do. Why should they? They don't have the same rights. Funny, cat*mice that you talk about the diseases they spread, when there are way more straight people getting diseases, rampantly popping out kids they can't afford, or put into the foster/adoption system. Get a reality check, homosexuality has been around longer than the bible, it was only a matter of time it was actually addressed.

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saynotolibs said on February 15, 2012 at 9:03 AM

I certainly don't see how it can cost them $1000 a year by filing single. Look at a tax table! Up to about $70K income each they pay nearly the same total regardless of if they file as single or married. Over that level they would pay MORE if filing married.

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scott_bellevue said on February 15, 2012 at 8:55 AM

With the federal government increasingly not recognizing laws passed by the states (marijuana laws, marriage laws, laws to check immigration status), it's only a matter of time before the majority of people see no legitimacy in the federal government. I see a growing trend of states not recognizing the fed, and the fed not recognizing the rights of states. Now that the house is divided, the fall begins.

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spacedover said on February 15, 2012 at 8:55 AM

The federal government did one thing right now we need to figure out to get of Obama.

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mr_conservative said on February 15, 2012 at 8:36 AM

@tootoo - Gee...I don't know about bigots. I have nothing against people with different colored skin from mine. You may want to avoid traveling back East to visit the final resting places of our founding fathers...you might trip over the piles of dirt built up from their spinning in their graves.

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TheGuyNamedCris said on February 15, 2012 at 8:14 AM

I think our federal government should be doing its job, and focusing on things that actually will affect our country in a negative way. I don't see same sex marriage dangerous, or harmful to our country at all? Can't believe so many bigots of the government have been wasting tax-payers money to uphold same sex marriage. PATHETIC.

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tootoo said on February 15, 2012 at 8:02 AM

@mr_conservative What about bigots? Can we start recognizing bigots' marriage as second-class, since their behavior is not normal and is extremely detrimental to society? What about if we put it up to a vote? It'd probably be struck down because of first amendment rights, but so should anti-gay marriage laws be struck down because of fourteenth amendment rights.

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javajoe said on February 15, 2012 at 7:12 AM

At least the federal government has it right.

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s10maniac said on February 15, 2012 at 7:09 AM

Why does the government give married people a tax break? I like paying less taxes but I stay married to my wife because I love her not because of some tax break. Who cares if you are single or married you should pay the same taxes. There that takes care of that problem.

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mr_conservative said on February 15, 2012 at 6:57 AM

They're sad because their marriage is looked upon as second-class? Well...that's because it is. That's what this is all about. The Sodomites want their deviant behavior recognized as normal by society. But it's not normal. Unfortunately, science has yet to give a definitive answer regarding nature vs. nurture on this issue. But common sense tell me that this is not a hereditary condition.

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stonetrails said on February 15, 2012 at 6:41 AM

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I will be voting against same sex marriage WHEN it comes up for a (We the People and not we the pandering, whorish, bottom-feeding, unprincipled, inept, dumpster-diving government) vote.

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Mytake said on February 15, 2012 at 12:25 AM

come on Jackwong, your always sayin to support the gubmint in these tough times. So ghey is a foul term according to you.. Ghey means doin stupid stuff.. For once we agree!!

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robtom said on February 15, 2012 at 12:25 AM

Ummm... you do not have to be married to be president. The 3 requirements are to be a native born US citizen, be at least 35 years old, and have lived in the US for at least 14 years. Thats it, nothing to do with marriage or sexual orientation.

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medicalknowhow said on February 15, 2012 at 12:07 AM

If they did recognize Gay marriage, it won't be long until a gay married person becomes president. The found fathers of our country would rise from their graves if that happened. The rule to be a president says you must be married and at least 35 years of age, and a citizen of the United States. They will have to change the laws to include married and heterosexual.

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comiccon2010 said on February 14, 2012 at 11:33 PM

youd think the govt would have better things to waste taxpayers money on

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dale500007497751 said on February 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Let folks make up their own minds......

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realitychk said on February 14, 2012 at 9:09 PM

It's interesting that I keep hearing of the tax benefits of marriage. The cut off for many tax breaks is not double the single rate. Sometimes the tax break cut off is only at the single income level. This means that rather than qualifying for the credit, the married couple is essentially penalized for being married. If any tax accountants read this and can take time to explain, I'd be happy to learn about how there is a tax benefit to being married.

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jackwong said on February 14, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Well, the federal gov't is friggin ghey for doing that!

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chuckstr76 said on February 14, 2012 at 8:41 PM

a think? Hello....

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cat8mice said on February 14, 2012 at 8:36 PM

We will need the extra thousand a year to pay for the health care costs from the deviant sexual behavior that spreads disease.

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excoastie said on February 14, 2012 at 8:00 PM

The same will be for the legalization of marijuana laws, should it pass. The feds hold the trump card.

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savvydude2003 said on February 14, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Always a bride's maid but never a bride. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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musicfreak said on February 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Um, duh? I knew that long before Washington even adopted the "Everything But Marriage" thing.

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