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Former Seattle U.S. attorney pushes pot legalization

by Associated Press

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Posted on June 22, 2011 at 6:39 AM

Updated Wednesday, Jun 22 at 5:38 PM

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SEATTLE  -- A man who once served as the Justice Department's top official in Seattle said Tuesday that he is sponsoring an initiative to legalize possession of up to an ounce of dried marijuana in Washington state, a measure he hopes will help "shame Congress" into ending pot prohibition.

John McKay spent five years enforcing federal drug laws as the U.S. attorney in Seattle before he was fired by the Bush administration in early 2007. He told The Associated Press on Tuesday that laws criminalizing marijuana are wrongheaded because they create an enormous black market exploited by international cartels and crime rings.

"That's what drives my concern: The black market fuels the cartels, and that's what allows them to buy the guns they use to kill people," McKay said. "A lot of Americans smoke pot and they're willing to pay for it. I think prohibition is a dumb policy, and there are a lot of line federal prosecutors who share the view that the policy is suspect."

McKay is joining Seattle City Attorney Pete Holmes, travel guide Rick Steves and the state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union in forming a group called New Approach Washington. They're pushing an initiative to the Legislature that would regulate the recreational use of marijuana in a way similar to how the state regulates alcohol. Their bill would legalize marijuana for people over 21, authorize the Liquor Control Board to regulate and tax marijuana for sale in "standalone stores," and extend drunken driving laws to marijuana, with blood tests to determine how much of pot's active ingredient is present in a driver's blood.

New Approach Washington planned a news conference Wednesday to announce the effort. No state has legalized marijuana for recreational purposes in such a way, though some have decriminalized it, and the initiative would put Washington squarely at odds with federal law banning the drug.

The legislation would set limits on how much cannabis people can have: an ounce of dried bud, 16 ounces of marijuana-infused foods in solid form, and 72 ounces of marijuana-infused liquids, or all three, said Alison Holcomb, drug policy director of the ACLU of Washington. The limits are necessary to help ensure that people don't buy large amounts for resale in other states, she said.

The ACLU of Washington issued a statement hailing the initiative campaign. 

"Our current marijuana laws are ineffective, unreasonable, and unfairly enforced," they said. "They have done much damage to civil liberties - eroding protections against unwarranted searches and seizures by government, putting large numbers of non-violent individuals behind bars, and being enforced disproportionately against communities of color."

"It is time for Washington to address this reality and to take a new approach. The initiative is comprehensive and carefully drawn. The initiative calls for Washington to treat marijuana essentially the way we currently treat hard alcohol - with clear distribution and use restrictions - and to earmark a portion of the state's revenues for drug education and prevention programs. Further, its passage can help lead to much-needed change at the federal level."

The bill would not allow for the recreational growing of marijuana; it would be up to the state's Liquor Control Board to license grow operations and set limits for how large they can be. The measure would not affect the rights of medical marijuana patients in Washington, who are allowed to have at least 24 ounces and 15 plants, and more if needed.

Activists would have until the end of this year to gather more than 240,000 signatures to get the initiative before the Legislature. Lawmakers will have a chance to approve it or allow it to go to the ballot.

Taxing marijuana sales would bring the state $215 million a year, conservatively estimated, Holmes said.

Another group, Sensible Washington, is already pushing a legalization initiative this year that would remove all state criminal and civil penalties for marijuana use, possession and cultivation in any amount. Their effort is an initiative directly to the voters, meaning that if it qualifies for the November ballot and passes, it would become law without any input from the Legislature.

Sensible Washington failed to gather enough signatures to make the ballot last year, and Seattle medical marijuana attorney Douglas Hiatt, who leads the effort, said Tuesday he did not know whether their measure would qualify this year. Hiatt criticized the approach of the ACLU-led effort, saying it wouldn't allow Eastern Washington's farmers to grow hemp or really end prohibition at all. Furthermore, he said, the blood test limit for driving under the influence purposes - 5 nanograms of active THC per milliliter of blood - are so strict that most medical marijuana patients would fail even if they hadn't recently medicated.

Last year in California, voters rejected Proposition 19, which would have allowed for personal possession and growing of limited amounts of marijuana, 54 percent to 46 percent.

In a telephone interview from Idaho, where he was about to leave on a six-day rafting trip on the Salmon River, McKay said he has long considered marijuana prohibition a failed policy, but that as U.S. attorney his job was to enforce federal law, and he had no problem doing so. Among the people he prosecuted was Canada's so-called "Prince of Pot," Marc Emery, who fought extradition after his 2005 arrest but eventually was sentenced to five years in prison for selling millions of marijuana seeds to U.S. residents.

"When you look at alcohol prohibition, it took the states to say, `This policy is wrong,'" McKay said. "This bill might not be perfect, but it's a good step forward. I think it will eventually shame Congress into action."

Holmes said McKay's involvement in the legalization effort helps demonstrate its sensibility.

"Whether you are a Democrat or a Republican, in law enforcement or a medical provider, you look at the data and you come to the same conclusion: The war on drugs has failed," he said.

 

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Dawn_Peterso822 said on June 26, 2011 at 7:53 PM

Wow, there are a few ignorant people here. Not an herb? Did you flunk science in grade school? Don't cook much? The definition of herb @ dictionary.com: 1. A plant whose stem does not produce woody, persistent tissue and generally dies back at the end of each growing season. 2. Any of various often aromatic plants used especially in medicine or as seasoning. 3. (Slang) Marijuana. And from the Herb Society: "The term "herb" also has more than one definition. Botanists describe an herb as a small, seed bearing plant with fleshy, rather than woody, parts (from which we get the term "herbaceous"). In this book, the term refers to a far wider range of plants. In addition to herbaceous perennials, herbs include trees, shrubs, annuals, vines, and more primitive plants, such as ferns, mosses, algae, lichens, and fungi. They [herbs] are valued for their flavor, fragrance, medicinal and healthful qualities, economic and industrial uses, pesticidal properties, and coloring materials (dyes)."

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SassyKat said on June 23, 2011 at 1:09 PM

All I can say is that we could save a ton of money in legal expenses, incarceration expenses, law enforcement expenses, etc by legalizing and taxing this substance. Just because it's illegal has not made it go away, in fact, there are more users now than ever before! The only ones that are profiting off this are the thugs and cartels. With the economic shape this country is in, this could be something that would help us "right the ship". I understand there are going to be problems, BIG problems. Instead of hiding our heads in the sand, lets attempt to FACE these problems one at a time and I'm confident we can find something workable. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol, this "mock" prohibition on smoking isn't working, and it's not working for pot! I can honestly say this drug saved my life back in the early 80's when I was so ill from chemotherapy and MS. We ARE smart enough to have our pot and smoke it too!

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seamikey said on June 22, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Why is there no discussion taking place on the industrial use of the plant? Paper, clothing, oil, etc. With all the natural resources at a premium, why are we burning/wasting this plant when it is confiscated by the authorities? Why not put it to good use instead of (pardon the pun) letting it go up in smoke? Yes, there are arguments for and against the medicinal use of the product as well. With regards to those people who have jobs that require driving, etc., the requirements for them in regards to being under the influence will not change - and possibly become even more strict if marijuana was legalized for recreational use. If you are in the privacy of your own home, you should be free to choose how you wish to spend your time, and which substance you prefer to ingest.

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jdjdjdj said on June 22, 2011 at 1:33 PM

treeclimber- while we're at it, ban alcohol in ANY form (no more cough meds for you,) hell, let's ban otc and prescription meds, fast food, deep fryers, motorized vehicles, cell phones, corn, sugar, butter, tv.... anything else you'd like to add to the list?

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dkjamerican said on June 22, 2011 at 1:30 PM

Legalize it, Tax it, and Create jobs.

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treeclimber said on June 22, 2011 at 1:10 PM

ban smoking all together its dangerous to your health,and the bar assoation should bar any lawyer that wants to legalize drugs of any kind..

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mr_conservative said on June 22, 2011 at 12:35 PM

497 1/2 feet rope? Whadda you got that for? I don't know...I just carry it.

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toltecan said on June 22, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Food for thought..... The abuse of something is most likely Harmful, the use of something most likely isn't harmful.... Mary Jane use, probably not harmful Mary Jane Abuse, probably harmful Alcohol use, probably not harmful Alcohol Abuse, Harmful

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JayJohnson said on June 22, 2011 at 12:01 PM

What a stupid idea. What about all the research out there which shows Cannabis has a variety of medical uses? Shouldn't Cannabis be approached professionally? In the last two decades we have been working to figure out all the medical benefits, now we want to throw that all away and say it is a recreational drug? This country is always making bad decisions. Why don't we legalize all drugs then. I use Cannabis for my Epilepsy. I don't want my children growing up thinking they can use this substance as they please, throughout life, and without affecting their lives because society has deemed it normative. We already have Alcohol for that, we do not need to add another to the list. This is why the old timers were freaking out about pot in the 60's. These trends tend to limit our life capabilities and accomplishments in the long run.

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freemonttroll said on June 22, 2011 at 11:52 AM

Just an observation - Many of the people who say 'legalize and tax it' are the same that complain about increasing taxes: Hypocrisy at it's finest... I saw let the baby have it's bottle.

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rebelron said on June 22, 2011 at 11:39 AM

I just got over withdrawals from Methadone,A GOVERMENT SANCTIONED ADDICTION,I went off this powerful Opiate coldturkey,If it was'nt for Pot I would have been alot worse off Bottom line I'M all for the legalizing it

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seaspider said on June 22, 2011 at 11:16 AM

Good bye United States, What about the experiments they have tried in Europe for a free drug society in parks, bars, etc. The results are more crime and more addicts, not to mention the rampant deaths.. No one is thinking about people who are subject to addiction. I know alot of addicts who started off with pot and progressed to other drugs. That is not to say that everyone is prone to addiction however; I say legalize and we now have a whole new set of problems that we are not prepared for.. Addiction is bad enough let alone those people that cannot handle getting high. There are different strains of pot thus the high can be low to totally bombed. I don't drive and I would hope that anyone causing an accident resulting in death would be given the maximum sentance if they were found to be under the influence. I take public transit. Do I want my bus driver to be high? There are so many industries that have commercial vehicles on the road. I can see the lawsuits now.

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jdjdjdj said on June 22, 2011 at 11:10 AM

I should add that I rarely drink, too. I might have a glass of wine occasionally. Just because pot is illegal, doesn't mean the people who use it are irresponsible. I would liken a bowl to a glass of wine before bed. I love treeclimber, because every thread like this needs it's village idiot. Treeclimber is King5's. There's such a stigma around any type of homeopathic treatments these days. Our country has been so brainwashed by the medical community that we think medicating for every little thing with narcotics is okay, but a little bit of pot is the devil, midwives are from the dark ages, the practice of using natural herbs and remedies for illness is irresponsible. People (treeclimber, I'm talking to you,) wake up and open your eyes. Maybe you need to wean yourself off of your prozac and oxycontin's to be able to see what really's going on here.

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Yahtzee said on June 22, 2011 at 11:07 AM

My prediction is that we are 4-5 years out from this policy taking affect. It's no longer something to turn a blind eye to- it's time to legalize for a multitude of reasons. Old staunch republicans such as Treeclimber will soon be under ground loosening the old moral fibers our country has shamefully placed on cannabis.

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jdjdjdj said on June 22, 2011 at 11:04 AM

I'm very much a proponent of ending prohibition, period. Honestly, I think we should legalize and tax all drugs... I know it sounds stupid, but hear me out. Our world is overflowing. There needs to be some sort of population control and that would do it. Survival of the fittest... survival of the smartest. Let's weed out the serious abusers. I'm not trying to be callous, but it's the truth. My parents taught me well... They were honest with me about drugs. They grew up in the 60s. I didn't try cannabis for the first time until I was almost 21. Just because I've used pot doesn't mean I'm a loser or a pothead or a junkie. I've never touched ANYTHING else, and that includes prescriptions, a HUGE problem with my generation these days. If you think pot is a bigger problem, you're an idiot. Why don't we talk about the over medication of this country brought on my the pharmeceutical companies?! Fremonttroll, as the daughter of a school bus driver, they would lose their CDL.

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whawhaisback said on June 22, 2011 at 10:44 AM

chiapetto - An HERB????? Really?? Just what dishes do you prepare with it? What flavors does it enhance? It does not taste good, it does not enhance the flavor of any dishes. PLEASE tell me how using it as an HERB come in to play? People that want it legal do not intend on cooking with it. They are going to smoke it. When is the last time you rolled a joint of rosemary or garlic? Come on man, saying it is an "herb" simply shows your ignorance.

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freemonttroll said on June 22, 2011 at 10:11 AM

Pot is not for me, tried it, didn't like it. I know many who do, and that's fine. The issue I have with it's legality is that there is no method to determine how high one may be at any given point in time, unlike alcohol. Scenerio: Say it's legal, and a school bus driver uses pot legally on his own time. Some idle Tuesday while driving the bus he makes a goofy turn and ends up in a ditch, they test him and he comes up positive for pot; what do you do at this point? He was sober when the accident occurred, but with the current testing for marijuana, it's not possible to tell if he smoked a joint an hour before or 5 days before. So, he would either get a DUI or a traffic ticket; I presume to former. In this case, it would behoove every employer to ban it's use for it's employees for insurance reasons and there you are again, at square one - legal but you can't use if you're employed... Just my thoughts.

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chiapetto said on June 22, 2011 at 9:56 AM

As for the cartels and the black market pertaining to pot, legalizing or regulating pot sales will SUBSTANTIALLY reduce the cartels profits. Further, if I can buy pot from a local liquor store, I would MUCH rather do that than buy on the street from some suspect drug dealer, who is likely ALSO selling crack, heroin, coke and a host of pills. Why should I be exposed to that kind of garbage in order buy a harmless herb? BTW it IS an HERB, not a drug! So, will ending prohibition end the cartels? No, but it will greatly reduce their impact on our society, it will reduce their profits and I, and a few hundred million other Americans, won't be forced to support them, or be exposed to them. Did ending alcohol prohibition destroy this country? No. Is there any harm to having alcohol available? Yes. Is that greater than the harm of sustaining alcohol prohibition? Probably, most certainly, not. I also would maintain that marijuana use is far, far less harmless than alcohol use.

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chiapetto said on June 22, 2011 at 9:44 AM

Mr. McKay is absolutely correct....it is time for this State and the Fed to come it's senses and end this illogical prohibition. It does not, and has not worked, and the harm that this policy inflicts is far greater than any benefit. Treeclimber, you are spouting off with absolutely basis of fact. Can you show any proof that Mr. McKay even partakes in marijuana? A worthless pothead public figure? With words like that, you have displayed no integrity in your writings at all. You know no 'pothead' that doesn't also smoke cigs? I haven't smoked a cig in over 25 years, and the huge majority of people I know do not smoke tobacco. We all know that tobacco is much more harmful than marijuana. Is smoking marijuana harmful? Probably. Is marijuana more harmful than tobacco, alcohol and a host of drugs on the market? NO!!

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Federalist4ever said on June 22, 2011 at 9:36 AM

Just make up your minds. Either legalize it and tax it, or continue spending billions fighting something harmless compared to alcohal. The limbo the state is in with Medical Marijauna right now is an insult to the constitution.

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rowdydave1047590 said on June 22, 2011 at 9:21 AM

Come on, folks. This is, after all, the United States of Amerca; Land of the free. What we do in the privacy of our homes is nobody's business. With an issue like drugs, you CANNOT control it. What we can do is manage it. Let's take the smart route and manage it.

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arjaylee said on June 22, 2011 at 9:18 AM

Treeclimber, I smoked pot for many years. Never smoked tobacco. Many people who use (abuse) alcohol also smoke tobacco. The most profound effect of prohibition was to make Al Capone a millionaire. Although to be honest, if we think legalizing weed will make drug cartels go away, we are being naive. Heroin, coke, meth, (insert drug dujour here) will always be an income stream for the scum. It would be simple to say legalize it all, but there are substances that cause users to be a danger to those around them (PCP comes to mind) so wherever the line is drawn is where the underworld will profit.

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Calli said on June 22, 2011 at 9:15 AM

Who cares about lung cancer and pot? If we argue that, lets talk about the negative aspects of alcohol on ones body. Throw the health thing out the window. Enforcing is just plain stupid. I have maintained that for decades. It was the heavy handed approach to marijuana laws that helped Meth get a foot hold. If they legalized pot, I guarantee within a few years, the meth problem would dwindle down to virtually nothing. What this story does not touch on is the federal approach to enforcement. So the state legalizes possession but the fed can bust you for it here in Washington. Is the governor going to tell the feds to back off because he / she will pardon every single person convicted federally if it was legal at the state level? I like the idea because face it, the warm on drugs has failed and been expensive.

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treeclimber said on June 22, 2011 at 8:49 AM

smoking causes cancer and i have never seen a pot head that didn't smoke cigerettes including my friend who died of lung cancer a year ago.if pot was done away with ,cigerette smoking would be taken down to nothing...

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treeclimber said on June 22, 2011 at 8:41 AM

he was worthless as a pot head puplic figure and as is most pot heads,he was fired ,it has been said that to rid are country of drugs we need to take down the people who put up the drug money and cleanse the drug money,,and lawyers are at the top[ of the list.

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humevo said on June 22, 2011 at 7:31 AM

Sorry FirstDay, but your "facts" are just plain wrong. Marijuana decreases risk of lung cancer. Go figure...

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hourforum said on June 22, 2011 at 7:29 AM

Hundreads of thousands die from lung cancer every year from smoking cigerettes, however- NOT ONE PERSON has EVER died from lung cancer due ONLY TO cannabis, period. People drink and drive and kill people. People who smoke cannabis do not do that in that way. It goes beyond "how much money can the state make", it goes further than " Just a bunch of potheads wanting weed", it does not end with Just medical cannabis patients. We need to look at this closely. I believe it should be legal no question, I advocate for that. On the other hand, I do also advocate for personal use of it only. Before 1934 cannabis was legal to grow, and use in the USA. Nonetheless pharmacy companies lobbied congress HARD to outlaw it and because of sticky money they did. TWO oh six,SevenTHREEsix, NineSIX Eight,eight, call me..

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joe_auburn said on June 22, 2011 at 7:18 AM

Finally, someone with some courage to stand up - Go McKay! Too many good decent people caught up in this huge legal mess. Let's make it legal and tax it.

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FirstDay said on June 22, 2011 at 7:14 AM

there are some benefits to marijuana, medically. There are also some downfalls, medically. If you are okay with increasing your risk of heart disease & lunk cancer by 5times, then go ahead and smoke a joint instead of anything else. Get real people. It's a drug.

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miklaus_schnabel said on June 22, 2011 at 7:10 AM

I couldn't have said it better myself! Everything he said is pretty much spot-on.Time to wake up Washington/USA,its NOT 1912 any more,and we NEED this extra revenue,BADLY!

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