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Investigators say Mukilteo church fire was arson

by TONYA MOSLEY & OWEN LEI / KING 5 News

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Posted on October 16, 2010 at 10:45 AM

Updated Sunday, Oct 17 at 10:09 AM

MUKILTEO, Wash. – Investigators say a fire at the Mormon church in Mukilteo was deliberately set.

"It started on the exterior, in the rear of the middle of the building," said Mukilteo Assistant Fire Chief Brian McMahan.

Investigators say the fire at the the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints on Chenault Beach Dr. and Harbor Pointe Blvd. started at about 3 o'clock Saturday morning.

Investigators say despite that early hour, some people were out walking nearby and the witnesses were being interviewed for possible leads on a suspect.

All day, churchgoers past and present visited the site, seeking answers.  The answer they got, that firefighters believed it was arson, was not what they wanted to hear.

"Really?" asked Steve Brodhead, who said he grew up in the church. "I feel very bad for the person that would inflict this type of thing, and I'm sorry they made that type of choice."

For Brandon Smith, the church is where memories were made.

"I grew up in this church and made friends," he said.

It's also where Rebecca and Timothy Berman were married.

"I've been going here since I was 12. Our daughter was blessed here," said Rebecca as she wiped away tears.

By daybreak it was clear the church was a total loss.

"I'm angry, I'm mad, I'm upset," said Timothy Berman.

When firefighters first arrived at the scene they quickly determined that they would not be able to enter the building.

"They could hear some movement, sounded like the roof was going to collapse," said McMahan. "Essentially the roof has collapsed in the middle and burned outward to the sides and collapsed all the way through."

While most of the building is brick, parts of the roof are wood and plastic, said McMahan.

"The defensive attack was ordered early on, or originally, crews have never gone inside to the fire," he added.

Sjon Stevens has been a member of the church since 1997, and even raised his three kids there.

"It's hard to believe, you know?" he said. "You've seen a building for so many years, and to see it in this condition is pretty startling."

Longtime church member Connie Carey said the fire is devastating.

"We were here for a church activity last night and left at 9 o'clock and woke up to the news report at 7:30 this morning," said Carey. "It's heart-wrenching."

The 700-member congregation is now figuring out where they will hold service - and why they've been targeted.

"I mean there's not a lot of tolerance for different religions, it seems like in our country but just because we don’t believe the same doesn't mean we can't live in the same world and that's what bother me the most," said Rebecca Berman.

No one was injured.

"Buildings we can always rebuild, but memories and people we can't," said Brodhead.

Authorities have not said yet how they believe the fire was started.

A hotline has been set up for those with information. The number is 1-800-55-ARSON.

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rvichitnand2 said on October 23, 2010 at 9:36 PM

I have many memories tied with the Harbor Pointe Ward, in Mukilteo. When my daughter died her funeral was there. I remember when my sons competed in the Pinewood Derby in the cultural Hall. When we made clothes for the victims in the Afghanistan wars, and relief and Hygiene packets to aid refugees in Katrina to send to them. We had many potlucks and Christmas parties and good times there. But you know what? It is still just a building. It is the love and fellowship I remember most. Thank God everyone is safe.

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nochurchgoer said on October 19, 2010 at 6:40 AM

I don't think this was a hate crime. It was a scare tactic meant for a friend of a church member. There was a text message received (before the fire) that read "Who needs fire?" After the fire, there was another text message sent that read "You need fire." This harassment has been ongoing and is escalating. It is my hope that the perpetrator of this crime left some evidence that will directly lead to him and end this once and for all. It is my belief that this criminal "watched" as the fire burned. Someone out there saw him...may have even spoken to him.

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tammm said on October 18, 2010 at 3:34 PM

this is so ugly. i'm glad no one was hurt. my prayers to the many affected, though the loss of the building is nothing to being despised and persecuted, being made to fear because how how you believe. Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

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tootoo said on October 18, 2010 at 6:25 AM

@milocraft: I'm not fine with burning down churches, also not disagreeing that it is un-American. But when an organization preaches hatred and affects peoples lives that wanted nothing to do with them in the first place, somebody is eventually going to push back, I don't care if you are LDS, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddist, etc.

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milocraft said on October 18, 2010 at 1:38 AM

tootoo: In response to your apparent justification of burning churches I'll re-post my first comment: "Wow. It's scary to see how many people seem to be fine with burning down churches." Your reasoning seems to be: "If I am tired of anger and poisonous hatred coming from the LDS Church... I can burn their churches!" I have one question. Would burning down a church be considered "hateful" or "intolerant"? How would the international media react if a mosque or synagogue was burned because of justified "anger"?

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tootoo said on October 17, 2010 at 10:17 PM

@milocraft: Maybe they are tired of the anger and poisonous hatred coming from the LDS churches.

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muk_mgm said on October 17, 2010 at 10:16 PM

We have close friends that are Mormons but my wife and I aren't. Reading the article it sounded like the first knee-jerk reaction from what seemed to be a Mormon was that someone from another "religion" did this. hmm...? A very wise women told me as a child to never point a finger unless you know for sure, as in you saw with your own eyes. Tough advise to follow... man-dang do I ever miss her. The ATF will have a better chance of finding out who done it. PS: I believe in Jesus. Them stories about the Latter Day Saints...hmm?

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milocraft said on October 17, 2010 at 5:15 PM

Wow. It's scary to see how many people seem to be fine with burning down churches! Burning down someone's church is about as un-American as it gets. Whatever your beliefs about religion and politics may be, if you don't arrive at this conclusion,you should evaluate your devotion to liberty and freedom. I attend a neighboring church of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints just a few miles away from this building. When I heard that it was caused by arson I wondered what kind of person would do such a thing. They must be filled with a lot of anger and poisonous hate. They also don't have much tolerance for those who believe different than they do. I frankly forgive whoever did this and I hope they can get some help.

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mselise said on October 17, 2010 at 2:26 PM

This article says 700 congregation.............the previous article said 800 members.............. So what's the correct number of members displaced? Active members???? Inactive?????

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theperfectweapon said on October 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM

One of the false prophet churches is down! Woot hoot! CRC churches are the true Christian churches, people! Don't be suckered!

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applmagotqrntine said on October 17, 2010 at 12:02 PM

God did this because Mukilteo has a fairy terminal.

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native6th said on October 17, 2010 at 11:43 AM

ITS NOT THE CHURCH ITS THE PEOPLE. AM SURE IT WILL BE REBUILT. THIS IS ONE CHURCH THAT HAS TROUBLE SEPERATING CHURCH AND STATE. IT IS CLASSIFIED AS A CULT. A VERY RICH ONE AT THAT. A MERE REWARD OF TEN THOUSAND. SEEMS VERY CHEAP. SOMEONE WAS VERY INJURED BY THE TEACHING OF THIS CHURCH. SORRY FOR THAT PERSON. HOWEVER THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY BY LDS MEMBERS.

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eightwrong said on October 17, 2010 at 9:56 AM

clear2copy, people have been asking why God does this or allows that since the beginning of time. Why did God allow the Inquisition, the Crusades or the Holocaust? If the greatest philosophers and religious leaders in all of history can't answer the question on a definitive basis, why are you asking the King 5 comment board?

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tootoo said on October 17, 2010 at 9:43 AM

@griffiths_dj2571: And they like to meddle in affairs in other states that don't affect them in any way, with all that money, completely undercutting a fair, democratic process. See Prop 8. Not sure how this furthers a "Kingdom of God here on earth, not for anyones personal gain".

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griffiths_dj2571 said on October 17, 2010 at 8:49 AM

underserf, it is my understanding that the buildings are not insured. The premiums that would be paid on the thousands of buildings would be far more than the cost to replace an occasional loss. It is this type of wisdom that helps the LDS church have the wealth that it does. By the way, this "wealth" is only used to further the Kingdom of God here on earth, not for anyones personal gain. Next time there is a major disaster somewhere in the world, do some research. The LDS church is usually one of the first organizations on the scene to offer help to anyone who is in need. They had truckloads of supplies in New Orleans before Katrina hit. They are prepared.

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micahwaddoups said on October 17, 2010 at 7:52 AM

Hi. I have the answers you likely need I attended church in the area in Everett that this building was, though it may have not been built at that time. Whatever the bad motives, some church members have done horrible things, of course resulting in ex-communication from the church. This building was a newer building, and since reconstruction would not offer anything new, that is irrelavent. The question "Why wourd God allow...?" needs an answer, since the clipped long answer was appearantly not satisfactory: Why? For justice. While this seems absurd, it is exactly on topic. If God judges all mankind, could anyone call it just for people to be judged unfavorably for wanting to do something that is supposedly evil, yet no evil result happening? In order for any kind of freedom, there is responsibility. All religions teach something related to the fact that we are free to choose and our actions affect others. We all need freedome to choose.

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underserf said on October 17, 2010 at 7:09 AM

Considering the Mormons vast wealth and doubtless heavily insured structures, it's most likely the ward felt it needed a new building or three. Their god couldn't cough up a lightning strike on demand, so they had to take matters into their own hands. As anyone can tell from LOOKING at these guys, or the Scientologists or any of a thousand other "faiths" - it's all about the money, period. If gays or anyone else were to lash out @ a religious fundamentalist fanatic organization, one that preaches justifiable murder and slavery, you'd hit them where the act would be NOTICED, not in some rural farming village. One firecracker tossed @ BYU would get more national coverage in 5 minutes than this thing has seen since it happened!

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becomingjaded said on October 17, 2010 at 6:58 AM

clear2copy, who's your god since you seem to have such trouble understanding a pretty generalized & specific answer to your question. Instead of being obtuse & making rude comments on religion, why not focus on the fact that a building, whether it was a church, or a restaurant or a home even, was purposely burnt to the ground. As maryannmarss states, you are trying to start a fight about something completely off topic & being uncompassionate & rude. Grow up or at least educate yourself

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maryannmarrs said on October 17, 2010 at 4:30 AM

And that's because you really don't want an answer, you want to start a fight. Well, no fight is going to start here. Because that is not what this is all about.

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clear2copy said on October 17, 2010 at 3:40 AM

Oh my.. my question was FAR from answered.. some religious nutter parroting Sunday School dogma..like so many do..doesn't answer anything, really.

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cjcampbell said on October 16, 2010 at 10:53 PM

clear2copy, LDS doctrine is that God does not generally restrict the agency of man. The existence of evil does not negate the existence of God. In LDS doctrine, you are free to do good or evil, but you will eventually be judged for your actions. Any harm we do to others is very temporary. God made us all subject to the effects of good and evil so that we can learn from experience. The fact is, we all die, we all get sick, we all suffer from various evils in the world. Before we entered mortality, we were so excited about facing these trials that we shouted for joy. It seems hardly appropriate for God to protect us from the very purpose that He sent us here to experience. Your question was asked and answered. Sorry if you did not like the answer.

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cjcampbell said on October 16, 2010 at 10:42 PM

It is my understanding that a local Lutheran church has offered to allow the LDS wards to meet there until the chapel is rebuilt. That was very nice of them and a true Christian gesture. I expect, though, the wards will be moved to other LDS buildings in the area. It is a bit of a squeeze, but most buildings can handle three wards.

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landesign1999 said on October 16, 2010 at 10:31 PM

This was an ugly act and most of the comments, below, are ugly as well.

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vandamme said on October 16, 2010 at 10:18 PM

But I'm sure it's the work of the follower of Mormon. For sucking him dry.

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clear2copy said on October 16, 2010 at 10:14 PM

Thank you, maryannmarrs, for trying to save your god from me and my simple question.

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cindobindo said on October 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM

Cindy the Immediately Suspicious thinks it likely it was a homosexual extremist. California Mormons were very busy with the prop 8 thing, making up over half of the volunteers,and ever since ,the extremists of the homosexual community have gone around vandalizing Mormon buildings,including temples,and sometimes disrupting services. I think this is more of the same. I am sure that the overwhelming majority of the homosexual community are decent,law-abiding citizens, but every group has its lunatic fringe,and the homosexual community is no exception.

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emptynestr said on October 16, 2010 at 7:42 PM

We are ALL easy targets these days. Our society is so polorized that it seems the hatred comes from those who would rather destroy other peoples property than just live and let live. I agree with maryannemarrs, that God doesn't "allow" such things to happen. It is people who make choices to do others harm and the consequences of those choices that is the problem. SIn is SIN. sIn...with the big "I" in the middle. In other words...self centeredness and me me me and what makes me happy or unhappy and to heck with everybody else. People who do such things are very inmature and small minded. I am sad for this congregation of people who now have to look for another place to gather. It is so senseless and cowardly what this porson did. What happens to these folks can happen to any denomination. I am sorry for your loss. I hope that out of the ashes comes a beautiful spirit in spite of of this tragedy. And also an outpouring of community to help them get back some of their loss.

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cjcampbell said on October 16, 2010 at 6:50 PM

Latter-day Saints do not take to the streets when offended. We are more likely to bake you a streudel than declare a jihad and burn down the city. It is just the way we are. Some people might interpret that as weakness and decide that "Mormons" are an easy target, but we think it is one of our great strengths.

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cjcampbell said on October 16, 2010 at 6:42 PM

It may not be a hate crime. Some people just like to see things burn. Perhaps we will know more if the arsonists are caught. Whatever their motivation, they are likely to keep doing this until they are stopped.

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greaterseattle said on October 16, 2010 at 6:42 PM

I go to kamiak, and I am already betting that some ignorant baffoon that also goes to my school did this. Pathetic.

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bazwest said on October 16, 2010 at 6:18 PM

Midwest it is rhetorical questions like "are they seen as a bigger threat?" that serves to further marginalize people and actually serves to condone criminal behavior of perpetrators in our society against them. Do you hate Mormon's and Muslims? Are you a bigot? Is it ok to stereotype someone and then take license to tarrget them violently? Your type of comment reminds me of the way that Nazi's treated the jews. Hitler's work of demonizing them and marginalizing them somehow made it ok for the rank and file german soldiers to follow the murderous orders of their senior commanders and send the jews to the gas chambers of the concentration camps. We should be better than that in this country.

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bazwest said on October 16, 2010 at 5:27 PM

Arson is an extremely serious and devastating crime. I am grateful that no firefighters or others were injured or killed. Fortunately, property can be replaced in time. But it takes longer for a sense of security and well-being to return to a community. Any structure could be targeted next and next time someone could be killed. I strongly feel that when someone takes it into their own hands to injure another person or to destroy property they hold dear, it diminishes all of us just a little bit as a society until justice is served. May the perpetrators be found quickly and justice served to the fullest extent of the law.

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midwest said on October 16, 2010 at 5:11 PM

Seems to be more LDS churches getting burned than mosques. Are the Mormons seen as a greater threat?

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yogibear said on October 16, 2010 at 5:00 PM

maryannmarrs--Very good comment.

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maryannmarrs said on October 16, 2010 at 4:28 PM

clear2copy, the answer to your silly question is that God does not ALLOW these things to happen, God gives men/women the right to chooe what behaviors they have and then live with the consequences of those behaviors. God weeps when His children hurt each other, hate each other, and do really bad things. So, your question is silly at best and mean spirited as well.

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clear2copy said on October 16, 2010 at 3:53 PM

Why would their god allow such a thing to happen?

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cjcampbell said on October 16, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Latter-day Saints do not smoke, so it is unlikely that the fire was started by a cigarette. Neither is this building a temple. Temples are not used for Sunday services. The only LDS temple in this area is in Bellevue.

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emptynestr said on October 16, 2010 at 3:25 PM

I am not Morman either, but it sad when anyones house of worship burn down. Same thing with anyone's home or business. It is a terrible loss to those who use it. It should be a warning to others to make sure that your house of worship or business (even a home) has a good sprinkler system in place if at all possible. . With the high cost of replacement it just makes good sense.

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cyrixlord said on October 16, 2010 at 1:49 PM

I would just like to say that I am shocked at anyone who would burn down a mormon temple. The mormons teach us peace, love and tolerance for everyone. As long as you are straight, they welcome every heterosexual with open arms. Spreading hate is against the mormon doctorines. Thank goodness referendums are not mormon doctorines.

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bobdobbolina said on October 16, 2010 at 12:52 PM

My money is on a careless nicotine addict discarding the still burning drug delivery device into combustible material.

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kendianne said on October 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM

We can only hope that this fire was not deliberately set. There is no reason for this hate of a group which helps anyone who needs it, no matter what their beliefs. And I am not a Mormon either.

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starteck81 said on October 16, 2010 at 11:51 AM

I'll be really surprised if it's not arson.

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