Families of slain Lakewood officers won't sue Pierce Co.

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crazytrain247 said on April 10, 2010 at 9:27 PM

to little, to late!

daverino said on April 10, 2010 at 7:33 PM

I have been in county jail, a lot... in my drinking days, and pretty much the general demeanor....or misdemeanor..ha...ha... is"hate the cops", i really couldn't tell who was joking or serious. Most of the serious guys were shipped off to prison because they had committed a felony.. and really , your pretty frickin' gone when your runnin' around lose doing felonies. I thought the families were compensated plenty when their Fraternal brother unloaded his gun into the guy...What's better than that? that's the tax dollars at work! right there.

bobknows said on April 10, 2010 at 7:19 PM

If these families had encouraged their bully boy kids to get real Men's jobs, they wold not have dead sons. If the family of the dead sow had encouraged her to become a good wife and mother instead of a stupid sow in blue, they would have a live family with grandchildren. These families are their own worst enemies. Shame on them. Good parents would have done better.

crazytrain247 said on April 10, 2010 at 5:55 PM

i like how they blame the public for misinturpretting the meaning of the lawsuit and how they didn't want the ugliness that followed. way to shift blame! you brought a lawsuit asking for money and created the ugliness not us!

lhasas said on April 10, 2010 at 3:24 PM

I'm sure these atty's/family's will still get something $$$. The atty's aren't going to represent their clients out of the kindness of their hearts.

billiameveryman said on April 10, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Isn't there a slimy hole you should be oozing back in to Bob Christie? What a POS for trying to generate a fee from this tragedy... Go back to where you came from, you slimy, disgusting monster!

crasmit72 said on April 10, 2010 at 1:51 PM

god bless the families,but I think they should sue,give 4mil X 4 officers=16 mil a piece and the rest go to a fund to help police better track phone calls and other criminals and for the lawyer 1% off the 182 mil.

12man said on April 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM

The public has supported all the families, Is it about $$$$$$$$$$$$$,

diekleinehexe130 said on April 10, 2010 at 11:27 AM

Nobody argues that the systems has great flaws and needs some serious fixing But the families could have gone a different route to raise public awareness to these issues. Especially, since they had the full support of the public (until now). Someone brought up the kids with the hopes that they will be spared from the public lash back. Well, I hope so too...but as a parent, I think the families should have thought about this prior to making their plans public and for me that would have been the deal breaker. No way would I put my kids through something like this.

treeclimber said on April 10, 2010 at 10:43 AM

They want to tighten the Laws on people getting out of jail, That i can under stand. But to do that they have to Tighten the freedom the Lawyers have in making the laws that controll our country. Every time a city council,mayor ,governer ,ledgeslater ,president (ect), want to make a change they have to talk to a Lawyer . lawyers make the rules we live buy and it is a very big business. When you go to court you will have a lawyer for the defense,a lawyer for the prosecution,and most likely a lawyer as a stand in a judge. to the slain officers and realitives ,god bless and my the good lord take a liken to you .

daragunstone1221 said on April 10, 2010 at 10:41 AM

I can only say-to the families: Please do not allow other's comments to dissuade you from doing what you feel is right. Ultimately, people here, will not be there to support you when you are hurting, alone, and missing your cherished loved one's whom were so brutally taken from you. I have nothing but empathy for you, and your families, and whichever path you chose. It IS a private decision, not one for the public to make. I have never politically involved, or an activist of any sort, but yes, I drove to the Tacoma Dome, and sat outside as it was full. My heart breaks for the four families.

antisocialist said on April 10, 2010 at 9:50 AM

Attorney Bob Christie is simply laughable in his claim that suing for $182 million dollars is not about money but, rather, all about getting Pierce County to change policy. Bob, we are not as stupid as you think we are. We know EXACTLY what this suit was about...MONEY for the lawyers. A nice 40% contingency fee was the bottom line. Thankfully your clients wised up to the fact that they were being manipulated by ambulance chasers whose only interest was lining their pockets...not changing policy. Please Bob...when you make comments like this in the press you don't improve the public's perception of the law profession. Your firm should be embarrassed.

tomma206 said on April 10, 2010 at 9:36 AM

TOO LATE!.You still look bad! Return our money richers!

gmanow said on April 10, 2010 at 9:16 AM

I have to admit that even though I'm not in favor of suing for everything that doesn't suit us, money is the only thing that politics takes notice of and our laws need to be changed. When the "letter of the law" takes precidence over the safety of our citizens (law enfocrement included) then the "letter of the law" needs to be changed. Why did Pierece county spend all that money to install a telephone monitoring system if they weren't going to use it? I know that can't listen to everyone, but pretend your at a trauma center, violent offenders first. Thanks for letting me have my say.

camery said on April 10, 2010 at 9:09 AM

Its nice to see they droped the law suit. Soldiers and police officers are in the same line of business. In war commanders at times make poor decisions and soldiers lives are lost. Our jail system isn't perfect either. We don't see families of soldiers sue the goverment for poor deciisons of there commanders. In the same line, we shouldn't have families sueing the county because of there very human underfunded correctional system. BTW, if we had fewer police stalking the streets as dummy ticket tax revenue agents and more of them doing the "real work" of public safty, I think we would have a safer community.

yessir said on April 10, 2010 at 8:22 AM

I'm glad these families opted to drop this lawsuit. Our police officers place themselves at risk on a daily basis for our community and are deserving of our continued support, as are the families of these officers when they are slain in the line of duty.

perspective said on April 10, 2010 at 6:50 AM

It was clemmons that did these murders. He is the one responsible and carries the full brunt of his actions. Blaming some system or action or inaction of others is a complete waste of energy. You will be chasing your tail like a puppy. 182 mill changes nothing. just pays the BLOOD SUCKIN LAWYER! It would of cost every person in pierce county over 1000 each. The county has to tax it from us before anybody would get it anyway. Where does it end??? The only diffrence between these cops gettin killed. or the lawyer, is nobody would of cared if it was the lawyer!

dakotanative said on April 10, 2010 at 6:41 AM

People expect the impossible to happen. Reviewing calls is like looking for speeders or checking plates for stolen cars. There is no possible way to have officers everywhere, so we put as many out there as we can and hope that the random checks will catch the gross offenders.n Same way with drug testing in the workplace. No company can afford weekly tests for everyone, but the regular users will get caught eventually. There is a risk of someone messing up before they get caught, but it is an acceptably low risk. They could remove all phone privledges, but that would eliminate the chance that they could actually catch someone saying something on the phone.

crazytrain247 said on April 10, 2010 at 2:57 AM

so i don't know, will you please let me know if we love and support these families again or are we still mad. some of you people change from day to day and story to story. amazing!

perspective said on April 10, 2010 at 1:41 AM

So,,, how much for the BLOOD SUCKIN LAWYERS fee?? nuff for a yacht?? helicopter???? Glad to see the families cut their payday. Change? naw its about CASH for the BLOOD SUCKIN LAWYER!

nahomi said on April 10, 2010 at 1:13 AM

This is not about the death of the officers anymore-this has turned in to a horrible mess and a lot of people have lost all respect for them. Are people going to be so willing to donate money when the next officer dies some where in the future? The money just got funneled in for them. How about the families with officers who didn't die? Did they get the chance at 182 million? This looks like a get rich quick move not a lets improve the system move.

nahomi said on April 10, 2010 at 1:06 AM

That money should go toward improving the legal system...not lining their already golden pockets. Money is not a problem for them so they should use that 182 million dollars to actually improve the system if they actually want to change it.

aziza said on April 9, 2010 at 11:11 PM

Clemmons is dead and that is a good thing. It is horrible what he did, but lets focus on the fact that he was planning on killing more people at intersections and schools- (there were churches all around the area holding sunday school)- and by chance he targeted the police first. They prevented him from continuing his murderous rampage. Changes need to be made in their honor.

kismet1947 said on April 9, 2010 at 9:13 PM

What I took from this lawsuit discussion was that the system for taping the conversations is useless. Troyer said that they would have to hire a lot more people to be able to listen to all the calls. That the costs would be skyhigh. What then is the purpose of taping them? I say, either do the job right whatever it costs or don't do it at all. It sounds like a big waste of whatever time and money is being spent now - has no purpose.

skyhawkcva19 said on April 9, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Sorry for your loss trucker, but it is very possible to record us all and it is done but the delay in action is what P's me off

trucker45 said on April 9, 2010 at 9:02 PM

Sometimes there is no way to stop a person from doing what Mr. Clemmons did. Good old Mr. Montfort up in King county spent no time in jail prior to deciding he needed to kill as many police as possible. Sometimes you cant record the conversations of bad people to find out what they are planning.

skyhawkcva19 said on April 9, 2010 at 8:19 PM

grimace, wish I would have spent more time reading remarks, yours was very good, and alluded to my main point. Many prays and love are with you, good job girl!

skyhawkcva19 said on April 9, 2010 at 8:03 PM

Well, I am amazed

skyhawkcva19 said on April 9, 2010 at 7:55 PM

This so tragic, I was envoled with the evacuation of Saigon (and thress years prior to it) and so many good people were lost for the protection of the populus, these officers did the same day in and day out. To drop this law suit is so wrong, I am so sorry for the families left but many good people are lost to the jobs they love, but to sucuum to media pressure, bleeding hearts is unacceptable. Famileis Please STAND STRONG FOR THESE FOR THESE FALLEN OFFICERS AND KICK THE CITY, THE JUDGE, ALL INVOLED IN LETTING THIS PERSON BACK ON THE STREETS. AMERICANS NEED TO STOP TURNING THE CHEAK I will be amazed if this actually forwarded.

brucelee said on April 9, 2010 at 7:47 PM

But at least they should allow a lynch mob for the Pierce County judge.

brucelee said on April 9, 2010 at 7:46 PM

WTF? To sue or not sue, make up your f-ing minds!

grimace said on April 9, 2010 at 7:35 PM

Do you understand that the sum requested HAD to be unreasonable in order to get the change forced. If each of these families came to Pierce County and said we want the sum of.... "one million dollars", the county would have said ok, here you go. Now sign this non-disclosure form and go away. There would be no change, there would be no pointing out of flaws in the system. These stupid people out there that turned against these widows have no idea that the cycle is never ending, unless it's severely broken. The policy makers get to continue making poor policy. The administrators get to continue presiding over an agency with unknown flaws because the truth was buried behind personal attacks on people who were trying to make changes for the better of everyone. Worst of all are the Officers like Troyer, who are too stupid to realize that the very people who would have been made safer through these changes, is the one he sees in the mirror every time he puckers up for his next camera shoot

cibicsi said on April 9, 2010 at 7:21 PM

Good to see that not everyone is looking for something for nothing, no matter how it makes everyone else feel.

democratsblow said on April 9, 2010 at 7:15 PM

I'm surprised the lawyers filed that in the first place. There was no substance in the charges at all.

rob2tall said on April 9, 2010 at 6:56 PM

Good! If the are suit happy-they need to target the agency in the South that let the killer loose-not the police and Pierce County! Thats was a total money grabbing scheme-I doubt any of the fallen officers would approve!

factoid said on April 9, 2010 at 6:50 PM

Once again the folks that make the laws, enforce the laws and interpret the laws will not be held accountable for their incompetence and failure. Let's see how long it will take to fix the system without threat of a lawsuit. I won't hold my breath.

paulvanhout92247 said on April 9, 2010 at 6:48 PM

I applaud the families for the change of heart! Advocating change in policies to prevent tragedies like this in the future is certainly justified and their voice will be heard. A lawsuit would accomplish nothing other than animosity and taking away vital resources from their mission of protect and serve.

silverton said on April 9, 2010 at 6:27 PM

I Thank them also.

whomadewho said on April 9, 2010 at 6:05 PM

I thank you families for doing the right thing and I'm very sorry for your lose, God Speed fallen ones. Now on to Bob Christie Change this POLICY Collage Boy....... YOUR FRIGGEN FIRED !!!!!! Money grubben, self serven " policy changer" See ya, wouldn't want to be ya :-)~

loulilou said on April 9, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Good! I hope they dropped this because this was absolutely ridiculous! What a disgrace. I'm sure the fallen officers would've been disgusted by this. Way to go families...not about they money. Yeah, F'ing right!

dakotanative said on April 9, 2010 at 5:17 PM

They just said on King5 that the whole case has been dropped because the public misunderstood their motives. I guess they had no idea that the very people that bent over backwards for them would turn on them when they became greedy.

zoeller said on April 9, 2010 at 4:38 PM

It's all about change not money! (LIARS) Karma will come back and get you have mercy on your souls!

hassellt said on April 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM

I do not believe for one second that this lawsuit has had no thought process by the families, and the laywers, and we will have to pay! I live in Lakewood right down the street from the Police Department. I witnessed every day the outpouring from this community, and many others. I stood in line for pizza for hours while Papa John’s collected money to donate to these families, I bought a T-Shirt in memory of our Lakewood fallen officers, I could go on and on about the fund raising. I also stood on South Tacoma Way saluting the procession as it went by on the way to the Tacoma Dome for a memorial that thousands of people attended. PC DOC did not kill the officers, our communities did not kill them, I did not kill them...It's about the money. How sad for the fallen officers...and especially the officers who have to stand by and watch this....their integrity and honor has been jeopardized..no worries officers...some of us still believe in you even if your family doesn't! Thank you!!

notafollower said on April 9, 2010 at 3:56 PM

I'll say it again since my last post seems to have gotten lost. This reeks of greedy ambulance chasing lawyers who are just drooling and rubbing their hands together with (millions) of dollar signs in their eyes!! So my question is......Did the families seek out the lawyers or did GREEDY LAWYERS track down the families??

graham said on April 9, 2010 at 3:36 PM

The familys need to go for bills, not mills & get the judge fired who let dirt bag bail out cheep

jamey said on April 9, 2010 at 3:33 PM

Just like bullets, the dishonor these familys have brought upon these officers can not be called back. These familys have hurt their deceased loved one's memory, the Sheriffs department, and everyone who lives in Pierce County who cried in empathy with them. If they wanted change, all they had to do was pick up the phone, call Paul Pastor, and remind him of that bloody Sunday when he had to face the media with tears in his eyes and anger in his voice. But no, they took a dash for the cash. I hope they move out of the area because they just lost every friend they had in Pierce County.

dakotanative said on April 9, 2010 at 3:11 PM

This is just like 9-11. We do everything within reason to avoid aircraft being hijacked, and we train the crews how to react if it does happen so they can bring the people back to earth safely. No one could have imagined hijacked planes would become tower killers, so there was really no way to avoid something without precedence. Those officers at the jail have been listening to calls from disgruntled inmates for years, but no one has acted out, and certainly, no one has given any indication that 4 officers could be successfully ambushed by a lone gunman. This guy was just rambling. Now if he had been making plans for where and when he was going to strike, then action would have been warranted (and possible). Taking $600 out of the pocket of every citizen in the county is not going to fix anything.

intrestgal said on April 9, 2010 at 3:10 PM

These officers families were well taken care of by the system not to mention all of the donations that brought in a ton of money for the families. The children have their college educations paid for and this doesn't mention the huge outpour of love and support from not only the community but the country as well. I was sick to my stomach to read of the law suit yesterday and ashamed of the families. just because they now want to "omit" the $$$ part from the public (yes, it is still part of the suit I am sure) it just makes them look worse. It certainly didn't take long before this surfaced... would be like a widower getting remarried within 6 months of the death of a spouse. Shameful.

dakotanative said on April 9, 2010 at 2:55 PM

It is too late to save face. They have destroyed the names of the lost officers, and people will never look at them as the heros they once were. You can bet that they did not get their hatred for the police force from a phone call. That much hatred had to be simmering for years.

xzarnu said on April 9, 2010 at 2:52 PM

jhenry - The family doesnt want the money! They want CHANGE! If they asked for 15 bucks then the state wouldnt be as likely to change because it wouldnt hurt enough. Think about it. Its like Newtons laws. "On object in motion stays in motion unless acted upon by an unbalanced force." The Sheriffs Department is going to continue on its current path until someone points them in a different direction via lawsuit. Its the only semi-fast acting option.

crazytrain247 said on April 9, 2010 at 2:51 PM

lptpn, it's called being a monday morning quarterback. easy to point out flaws in the system after the fact. i don't have a problem with them trying to fix what they see as wrong, i do have a problem when they ask for 182 mil. to point that problem out.

crazytrain247 said on April 9, 2010 at 2:47 PM

wow! you are a scarey man with scarey ideas. the only place they do things like that are russia, not america! you sir are a dirty low life whether you have comitted a crime or not! lenin and hitler would be proud of your whiteness!

jhenry said on April 9, 2010 at 2:34 PM

It's not JUST about greed-- it's also about grandstanding and ingratitude. All are contemtible and these people should be ashamed.

karlv said on April 9, 2010 at 2:24 PM

bobknows....you are an assh*le. These officers weren't on duty yet but you wouldn't know that because you, of course, must have your head up your rear.

ltptn said on April 9, 2010 at 2:22 PM

If the family think that there is flawed in the system then why don't you tell your spouses to quit the job but wait till now to say that there are flawed in the system and asking for money and claims that they are not doing this for money. The fact is that this officer give up their live to do what they love... and they know the risk when they choose to be an officer.

xzarnu said on April 9, 2010 at 2:21 PM

Yes, Im saying we should euthanize scumbags. Not pay more money so they can sit in prison, drink coffee, watch tv and make PHONE CALLS! If you are going to commit a crime then you should know that it will come at a HEAVY price. Instead we got a bunch of bleeding heart cry babies like you defending the the people causing the problems. How many people are going to steal if they know they will be killed if convicted. INSTEAD we have homeless people PURPOSELY committing crimes so they can go to a nice coushy prison cell! Our economy wouldnt be the way it is if we werent wasting so much money supporting dirty low lifes.

crazytrain247 said on April 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM

xzarnu, so your solution is to shoot and kill people for crimes that are not even murder? yes, this man was a scum bag but did not ever kill anyone. great solution, just kill petty criminals. so we should not allow someone in for a misdemeanor any phone calls either? you sir are a moron! as for the lawsuit, these families have already let the cat out of the bag by putting such an outrageous number out there. you can't take it back by saying you are not going to specify an amount now.

franky said on April 9, 2010 at 2:12 PM

So the $$$ information has been slipped out. They are suing now just to teach a lesson? I am curious. I would be all for paying out the amount (or even double) of what the slain officer would have made over a 30 year career..but millions, that's a bit greedy isn't it? No one will ever know the loss of these families unless it happens to them, but there is a line to draw here in our litigious society, and this might be crossing it a bit.

runway12 said on April 9, 2010 at 2:06 PM

I now feel less to contribute to fallen officer funds because of claims like these. The families here have shown they really don't need the communities help and support after all by announcing they claims to sue for millions. Its almost like the individual that killed the 4 in seeking revenge for something done to them with a feeling of unjust. Nothing will bring these officers back but clouding their legacy with claims and potential lawsuits was not a wise move. The damage has been done and any backpedaling now only shows the true intent.

rdog0121 said on April 9, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Of course it's about money. As a contributor to several of the funds...I'm disappointed. It's sad that these families have to go on without their loved ones, but they knew there was risk. They took money from the public...apparently, they need more. If the quote from Troyer is correct, I couldn't have said it better!

bobknows said on April 9, 2010 at 2:01 PM

If the dead swine had been doing their jobs, protecting people, instead of surfing the web while munching doughnuts, they would be alive today. The taxpayers deserve to have their pay refunded.

vandamme said on April 9, 2010 at 1:48 PM

Not about money? Then, the lawsuit should be for a hard kick in the @$$.

xzarnu said on April 9, 2010 at 1:40 PM

I think those families deserve every penny. They have lost their primary providers, lovers and parents to their children because of an obviously flawed system. If it would take too long to listen to all inmates calls then the calls that inmates are allowed to make should be reduced to a more managable amount to allow for close monitoring by jail staff. Inmates shouldnt be given phone calls at all. When you are convicted of a crime you forfeit your rights. We need to stop treating the garbage of the planet like we owe them something. The only thing we owe them is .50 cents for the bullet. They have done nothing but been damage causing parasites and should be treated as such. When parasites are found we dont just wait around and hope that one day they wont be parasites any more. We take active steps to eliminate them so they will stop causing us problems. Maurice Clemmons should have been put down the day he committed his first crime. More harsh laws for crimes= Less crime. Simple logic

garethb1 said on April 9, 2010 at 1:23 PM

If this lawsuit is really about change, and not about money, how about making the lawsuit for $1.00? I have commented elsewhere and will repeat here - after the outpouring of grief, support and respect that the families of these four fallen heroes received, this lawsuit...no matter how they word it...is a disgrace. Shame on everyone involved.

fed_up said on April 9, 2010 at 1:21 PM

Yeah, good luck getting the funding to hire more jail officers to listen to the HUNDREDS of calls that are made after you get your 100 million dollars. The defendants have recorded phone calls but listening to them would take too many man hours.

think said on April 9, 2010 at 1:21 PM

Any monetray amount is outrageous. These 'officers' knew the riskd associated with their profession. Now their families simply want to 'cash-in' on this unfortunate situation. It's pure, simple human greed at its worst...lead by a member or members of the blood-sucking 'legal' suposed 'profession'. Why don't we stop calling it a profession and start calling it by its true name...it's the legal 'racket'. Shame on each and every family for buying into this BS. The County, plain-and-simple, is not at fault for your loss. Please deal with your loss in a more 'honorable' fashion.

trojan33 said on April 9, 2010 at 1:12 PM

The threat of an entity losing more money by lawsuit than by inaction or ineptitude is sometimes the only way to get them to make posiitve changes. Maybe not sometimes, but sadly the majority is probably the case. I hope the families if they win this suit will pour it back into the community. Can't see much good if there is no money to make positive changes. Heck, maybe they will cut down on wasting of funds.