Teen under guard in hospital after Burien fatal shooting

thesnowqueen said on December 31, 2009 at 11:47 PM

I know those apartments. Business as usual. I'm just glad that no Officers were hurt.

kenpomaster said on January 1, 2010 at 12:16 AM

It appears that trouble never ends in Burien.

noskills said on January 1, 2010 at 12:26 AM

Your comment was kind of cold. Its as if you don't even think its a big deal that 2 teens were seriously wounded.

kenpomaster said on January 1, 2010 at 12:50 AM

@no skills: I hope they fully recover soon.

cyrixlord said on January 1, 2010 at 1:20 AM

Rembember, children: When you feel that your first amendment right of free speech isn't being recognized, please refrain from using your second amendment right to drive your point.

neo_anderson said on January 1, 2010 at 1:22 AM

A simple case: The ex-boyfriend.

agent_smith said on January 1, 2010 at 1:35 AM

Mr. Anderson, your sharp crime-fighting brain always amazes me. But whose ex-boyfriend????

ginofelino said on January 1, 2010 at 2:34 AM

Just another reason Burien should be avoided... Not that the land and infrastructure is bad, just the people who inhabit it - a lot like Lakewood, Renton, most of Tacoma, Lacey, Everett, etc. On a serious note, this was clearly gang related violence from the usual suspects. If the bleeding heart liberal democrats will just temper their affinity for the criminal element we might be able to get these characters put in prison.

bigcowboy said on January 1, 2010 at 2:38 AM

Burien, Rat City, Kent... Thank God that I moved away from all of that! Eastern Washington rocks!

mchlsellars said on January 1, 2010 at 3:34 AM

used to live in burien got away from there because of the violance and also the drugs and the apartment in question is a known drug area

rnl52 said on January 1, 2010 at 8:19 AM

gino....yup, us libruls sure do love our criminals. Comments like yours are why nobody takes you ditto monkeys seriously.

juliav said on January 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM

I think I used to live at that location in the late seventies. From the google satellite image, doesn't look the same.

juliav said on January 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM

When I lived in that neighborhood in the sixties and again in the late seventies, there weren't the gun control laws that exist today. And there wasn't the crime, either.

world_citizen said on January 1, 2010 at 12:19 PM

The only solution to REDUCE these killings is making the owning of guns more difficult. When is our society going to finally get it? Owning guns is too easy. The Constitutional Right to own or bear arms is a license to kill for criminals and mentally unstable people. It should never be a right to own guns of any type, instead it should be a REGULATED privilege. Every gun owner should go through background check, training, licensing and insurance requirements, NO DIFFERENT than having a drivers' license. In fact it is easier for criminal and mentally unstable people to buy guns used to kill than it is to have your car emissions inspected. GET IT PEOPLE, GUNS KILL!! Even those who are fully armed like our police force are killed by guns.

world_citizen said on January 1, 2010 at 12:34 PM

Juliav there were many crimes commited with guns in the 60s-70s-80s and the 90s, we just didn't have the publicity and instant news we have today thanks to the Internet. the RIGHT TO BEAR arms have provided guns to criminals for 300 years in our country, even presidents have been killed with legally obtained guns. The sad part is that most US citizens don't want to give up the right to own guns. When even our police force (fully armed) can't be protected from these monsters, isn't it time to REGULATE the owning of guns, instead of passing laws to punich those crazy people after they KILL someone. By that time, it is too late.

world_citizen said on January 1, 2010 at 12:40 PM

Saying we have to enforce the laws we already have, is like saying punish those who kill our police officer and their families AFTER THE KILLING. By then, the damage is done and innocent people have died. WE NEED TO STOP these monsters from getting their hands on guns to kill others. The only solution is 100% background check, training required, license required and insurance required. STOP the mentally unstable and the monsters before they get their guns. The rest of us law abiding citizens should be fine with those requirements and our families and even our police force will be A WHOLE LOT SAFER.

trident2963 said on January 1, 2010 at 12:42 PM

World_Citizen...you're clearly not a gun owner. To get a weapon takes an extensive background check, all your weapons are registered. To get a concealed weapons permit is also a very in-depth process. No law in the United States would allow a 16 year old to purchase a handgun or a long gun (rifle, shotgun...ect) Guns don't kill people, crazy ex-boyfriends in gangs do. I own lots of guns, next time you're in a bad situation world_citizen with no police around. You'll be thankful good citizens carry weapons to protect the life and liberty of others. The work of policing our community is a responsibility of all of us. We all own a piece of this land and have a responsibility to protect it.

trident2963 said on January 1, 2010 at 12:47 PM

Guns don't kill people. 16 year old gang members do. World_citizen your points are horribly invalid. A 16 year old would never be able to legally obtain a firearm. A war against illegal weapons? Yes. Ban weapons? No...gang members can obtain all types of illegal weapons, who is to say that the Government will be able to enforce these laws? So gang members will have guns and own the streets, and law-abiding citizens will be defenseless!

mango said on January 1, 2010 at 12:56 PM

Canada has a gun ban, people get shot there too. Criminals will get guns period, and I 'm pretty sure they don't go down to the court house ( or where ever you go to get a permit) and sign up.

world_citizen said on January 1, 2010 at 12:57 PM

The guns were made by a company and sold to an adult. Agree, there are ilegal guns out there but the vast majority are purchased legally, in fact 70 percent of the killings in the homes are committed with legal guns used against family members. GET IT, we need to legislate these killing tools and you should fear more legislation. The laws on the books only punish after the killing is done.

world_citizen said on January 1, 2010 at 1:01 PM

Why is it that I NEVER hear of neighbors with guns coming to the rescue of anyone? Owning guns are more about a FALSE sense of security or a “macho” thing rather than the idea of helping thy neighbor. No thanks, I don’t want my crazy neighbors coming into my house with guns.

world_citizen said on January 1, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Why is it that I NEVER hear of protective neighbors with legally obtained guns coming to the rescue of anyone? Owning guns are more about a FALSE sense of security or a “macho” thing rather than the idea of helping thy neighbor. No thanks, I don’t want my crazy neighbors coming into my house with their guns.

scott04 said on January 1, 2010 at 1:09 PM

world_citizen you live by fear, must be terrorizing to live in this world. You are the target of terrorism and probably the manifest of its worth.

mango said on January 1, 2010 at 1:11 PM

world_citizen well said. When was the last time we heard someone used a gun for self defense ( let me rephrase that) i shot the scum bag because he was trying to steal my popcorn.

kenpomaster said on January 1, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Only a PU$$Y uses guns.

kss123 said on January 1, 2010 at 1:53 PM

When someone thinks that a gun ban will actually help our society, think of the following..... States that allow concealed carry have over 50% LESS violent crime than states that no not allow it. (J.R. Lott study with FBI and CDC stats) Over 2.5 million times a year LEGALLY armed citizens use guns to protect themselves with over 200k of those being women who protect themselves from sexual crimes. (Kleck and Gertz, "Armed Resistance to Crime") In Florida, over the 15 years following them allowing concealed carry, homicide rates DECREASED by 52%. (FBI statistics) Countries who have passed sweeping gun control legislation have had as much as a 300% increase in violent crime and homicides. In Australia, armed robberies went up 44% in the first 12 months after the ban. (Benedict D. LaRosa)

kss123 said on January 1, 2010 at 1:53 PM

The Centers for Disease Control did an extensive review of various types of gun control: waiting periods, registration and licensing, and bans on certain firearms. It found that the idea that gun control laws have reduced violent crime is simply a myth. Talking to prisoners about guns emphasizes a few key lessons. First, criminals don't obey the law. (That's why we call them "criminals.") Second, no law can repeal the law of supply and demand. If there's money to be made selling something, someone will sell it. A study funded by the Department of Justice confirmed what the prisoners said. Criminals buy their guns illegally and easily. The study found that what felons fear most is not the police or the prison system, but their fellow citizens, who might be armed.

kss123 said on January 1, 2010 at 1:53 PM

What's the special risk? As Alex Kozinski, a federal appeals judge and an immigrant from Eastern Europe, warned in 2003, "the simple truth -- born of experience -- is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." "The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do," Judge Kozinski noted. "But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed -- where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once." (John Stossel 20/20 reporter)

world_citizen said on January 1, 2010 at 2:19 PM

Japan and many other countries show us how safer society is without excesive guns. But the reality is this, the wild west mentality in the US is so prevalent that no argument will change the minds of the pro-gun mayority regardless of how reasonable those arguments may be. Still, the minority anti-gun lobby like me will continue to express our views because that is all we can do. In the mean time, inocent people including police officers will continue to die in our gun happy country. I just pray for my family to be safe from crazy monsters who live normal lives until they start shooting people with legally obtained guns in this great USA or ours.

crazymomof2 said on January 1, 2010 at 2:38 PM

I have lived in Burien my entire life. I don't even consider that area Burien. That said I live in a multi-million dollar home on Three Tree Point. You couldn't ask for a better neighborhood. I say neighborhood with pride. Unlike Bellevue, Kirkland or anywhere on the east side I have genuine neighbors, not just plastic people that live in the house six feet away from mine. My neighborhood has character, but then it's old money people, not Mcmillionaire's who think they are better than everyone. This is a horrible tragedy in a downtrodden area, Bellevue has these areas too. We the citizens of Burien have tried to improve that area and if you ever drove through you would see an upward change. We are an old proud city that takes care of our own. I'm sick of people in Stepford communities ragging on the South Seattle area, most of them wouldn't be welcome nor be able to afford Normandy Park, Three Tree Point or Shorewood. We have this beautiful protected Puget Sound.

factoid said on January 1, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Yeah, let's get rid of the guns, and while we are at it, how about drugs and prostitution. Gun control only controls guns for the law abiding citizen. The reason you don't hear about law abiding citizens using guns to defend themselves is because it does not fit the liberal media's agenda.

factoid said on January 1, 2010 at 3:07 PM

"world_citizen" ---crazy monsters who live normal lives until they start shooting people with legally obtained guns----. Do your research. First 97% of crimes committed using illegally obtained guns, and second, when was the last time you heard of someone living a 'normal' life, suddenly kill innocent people. Please at least refrain from being intellectually corrupt, when exercising your right to your own opinion. What has been lost in all these comments is that a young girl has lost her life. May she rest in peace.

livinglife said on January 1, 2010 at 4:57 PM

Wow, I can not believe people are actually still blaming this kind of stuff on a gun. its an object. Yes their are illegal guns out there which are owned by CRIMINALS! if we ban them they will still be illegal and the CRIMINALS will still have them. But then guess what, how is anybody going to protect themselves. I just want to ask, somebody with a gun breaks into your house, how do you defend yourself? Guns are not the problem, people can kill people with a kitchen knife..should we have to pass a background check to be able to own a butter knife too? or a shoe lace? or our hands? Criminals obviously dont care about the law so what makes you thinking changing the laws will help? No, its the way people are brought up and raised, they were not taught about guns probably ever and played video games were their character goes around shooting people. or watching movies like that. Bad influence right their if used at a young age.

redrattler said on January 1, 2010 at 5:15 PM

Boy, you sure can tell who was born and raised here and who moved in from the west side or California. Although the little gal who protected herself from an armed hold up in north Idaho, with her own gun, was from western Washington.

weatherman6 said on January 1, 2010 at 6:09 PM

what apartment is it?

speeadork said on January 1, 2010 at 6:31 PM

World Citizen.....are you Greg Nickels?

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wakeup said on January 1, 2010 at 6:58 PM

wow some of you people are smart...lets create more laws about guns? Last time I checked a 16 year old could not go in and buy a pistol ( I highly doubt that a rifle was used). Oh and itls already illegal to kill someone!!! Just like in the unfortunate deads of all the recent police officers, lets make more laws to make it illegal.....it's already illegal lets inforce the dam laws we already have (clemmons should still be in a prison in the south). Oh ya this was not in Burien....try unicorporated king county between burien and rat city. People that want to go out and murder, rape, steal.....hang em high in the streets for all to see...maybe our tax money could start going to useful stuff like kids education not lets rehab low life criminals

jeetkunedo said on January 1, 2010 at 8:46 PM

Attempted murder suicide....I guess the guy had low self-esteem.

supportrofficers said on January 1, 2010 at 9:36 PM

"wakeup" I agree....Lets pass more laws like 5288 letting folks out early so they can rape, steel and murder again. This state wanted to do cut backs by passing law 5288 was one of the ways they have done it. The last time I checked hundreds of folks were laid off at the Department of Corrections. Read the law that passed by Legislation 5288 I believe in a nut shell it says "early release" and "No probation" maybe we should give them a gun when they are released to. We don't have to do that because they are going to go out and steel one, or obtain one illegal...

khedges000 said on January 1, 2010 at 9:56 PM

I lived in the same apartments in the late 70's early 80's. it was such a kid friendly place. I loved it there. It's to bad that it has gone down hill. I saw pictures of what it looks like now and there is no way I would raise my kids there now. I feel so sorry for that girl. People seem to for get if you shoot a gun at someone you can't take back what you have done. Go back to using words. They only hurt for a while.

skrewedcomputer said on January 2, 2010 at 1:45 AM

See if everyone might be carrying a gun, the bad guys think twice before pulling out there gun, if guns are outlawed or banned, the bad guys that still get their own guns will continue to get them anyway and will have no reason to think anyone else might carry one, therefore will be much more likely to use a gun against someone else without hesitation. A ban on firearms will only make these violent crimes more common place. The reason you never hear of someone's neighbor protecting someone else with their gun is because the media and the police HIDE that fact whenever someone does. I know from personal experience, had someone break in to a house who was armed, a neighbor came out to defend against the person breaking into the house and the police told him to stop and go back inside. The person who broke into the house ended up doing an 8 hour stand off with police and the house was heavily damaged in the process. Media never mentioned the neighbor that attempted to stop the crime.

noskills said on January 2, 2010 at 9:22 AM

I for one would love to see more gun control. However there is a right way and a wrong way to doing it. Since it is a Constitutional right to own a gun an amendment should be made and voted on by the states to further regulate guns. Skirting the Constitution is one thing that makes people distrust the government. With that said there is no way 2/3 of the states would vote for a constitutional amendment to further regulate guns and I'm ok with that because a law made the wrong way no matter how good the intentions is still a bad law.

dega77 said on January 2, 2010 at 12:34 PM

Gun control is a steady hand. An armed society is a polite society. Every citizen of Sweden must own and maintain a firearm. Sweden has very little crime. Just can't imagine why, can you? Outlawing guns just makes it that much easier for the criminals.

browndog said on January 2, 2010 at 1:45 PM

Gun control is not the problem. Have you people not seen what has happened to Australia when they outlawed gun ownership. Crime rate across their country went up 400%. Criminals will do whatever it takes to commit a crime, and having an illegal gun in their possession will not stop them. As for WORLD_CITIZEN, all of the ideas you think should be exercised in order to purchase and own a gun already exist. For a law abiding citizen it is not easy to get a gun. We need stiffer penalties for all crimes from speeding, smoking in non-smoking areas to murder. If you kill someone in a crime you should die. If you steal you lose your hand. If you think I am wrong than what is right.

noskills said on January 2, 2010 at 2:03 PM

There are a lot of nations though that have very strict gun control laws that have very little crime when compared with us. Japan being the biggest example.

factoid said on January 2, 2010 at 2:49 PM

'noskills' Japan culture contributes more to low crime than anything. Most believe in being honorable and honest and it is very disgraceful to commit a crime. They still commit suicide when they feel they have dishonored themselves or their family. I would suspect in the next few generations this will change as is evidenced by the increasingly violent Japanese Mafia. Most Japanese will submit to them rather than disgrace themselves with committing violence.

jeetkunedo said on January 2, 2010 at 3:03 PM

This is the thing here. You have to try hard to kill someone without a gun. Even if you stab someone multiple times, most likey, you will fail. Without guns, the murder rate WILL GO DOWN! Besides, it's easy to run away from a knife, but not from the bullets coming at you multiple times.

factoid said on January 2, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Geez "jeetkunedo" where do you live? My gun is for protecting my family, myself and my property, I do not intend to get close enough to stab someone. If I understand your comment correctly, you are saying that when the criminal is at my door (presumably without a gun) I should run? Do you think they would be more or less likely to rob me if they know I don't have a gun?

jeetkunedo said on January 2, 2010 at 3:56 PM

Dear Factoid: Even if you have a gun, you'll lose because you have a lengthy rules and regulations to follow but criminals don't. What happened to Pierce County Deputies recently is the perfect example. Most likely, you'll wake up with your wife only to see guns pointing at your faces. You'll never have a chance. You'll get beat up and robbed miserably.

jeetkunedo said on January 2, 2010 at 4:00 PM

Don't think about using your gun someday. Do think about moving to a safe neighborhood if you're concerned about your family's safety. Move into an expensive high rise condo. You and your family will be safe there.

jeetkunedo said on January 2, 2010 at 4:06 PM

If you can legally shoot anyone entering your property, then, maybe it's worth it. If people enter other people's property with dangerous reasons all the time. But that isn't so. Legally, you can't shoot anyone, even if it's your property, unless you're being victimized in felony level of crime. That's the law. So, if a criminal wants to shoot you, he will succeed all the time because he will pull out his gun before you do. And multiple gun men usually commit home-invasion robbery, so you lose again. Do you get it? Guns do more harm than good! That's the statistic!

kenpomaster said on January 2, 2010 at 4:13 PM

Of course, I don't need a gun to protect myself or my family. I can easily kill people the old fashioned way. Hey, I can also kill someone with a screwdriver if I want to. (No offense to the screwdriver psycho who got killed by police recently, hehehehehe)

billiameveryman said on January 2, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Gun crimes are not committed by license, NRA card-carrying gun owners... When will the anti-gun crowd get this? Perhaps they should go the the 'hood and try taking away the crack dealer's guns? I imagine we would be reading a rash of articles about gun violence then... Maybe if we make killing people against the law, people will stop doing it??? Dumb, dumb, dumb...

neo_anderson said on January 2, 2010 at 4:40 PM

@billiameveryman: Okay, if the criminals have illegal guns, where do you think those came from? Criminals are not smart enough to make their own sem-automatic hand guns, you moron!

billiameveryman said on January 2, 2010 at 4:40 PM

Jeekkunedo, I think you are oversimplifying the issue... Hi-rise condos are not the end-all-be-all of personal safety... Just last year, a woman protected herself at a bus stop with her gun, did that never happen? Do people not ever defend themselves with their guns?

neo_anderson said on January 2, 2010 at 4:43 PM

But I never fight in a losing battle. Supposedly, even if, the majority of homicides and crimes are committed by legal gun owners, I have a feeling guns will never get banned.

billiameveryman said on January 2, 2010 at 4:44 PM

Neo, how could they get guns if its illegal to do so? Oh, they break the laws to get them, just like they would break any new laws idiots like you would pass... Criminals commit crimes, its what they do... If you get your way (which you never, ever will) only criminals will have guns...

billiameveryman said on January 2, 2010 at 4:48 PM

Guns will never be banned, because there is no way to un-make the existing guns... To take away the legal ones would leave the rest of us defenseless...

billiameveryman said on January 2, 2010 at 4:53 PM

Neo, on a side note, I would spell-check my posts, especially the sentences you end with calling somebody else a moron...

neo_anderson said on January 2, 2010 at 4:54 PM

Americans love their guns. "As long as I have this, I'll never get robbed or killed. I can kill multiple gun men - no problem - like Clint Eastwood or Bruce Willis. And I'll never commit a murder or a murder-suicide. I'll only use this in self-defense situation only. God is my witness. Amen."

factoid said on January 2, 2010 at 4:54 PM

So you want me to move from my 10 acre homestead to a "expensive" high rise building in the City, rather than own a gun? Not gonna happen. I have the right to use deadly force if I feel my life is threatened, I am well aware of my rights. Some of your comments are contradictory and make no sense in real world instances. "Guns do more harm than good! That's a statistic!" Could you elaborate on this bizarre statement please. Just because there are certain things you believe, does not make them fact. The fact is, most responsible law abiding citizen's who own guns, do so for sport, hobby or protection. The criminal uses his illegal weapons to intimidate and harm other people. By taking away the law abiding citizen's weapon what is to deter the criminal, now that I am unarmed.

billiameveryman said on January 2, 2010 at 4:58 PM

Neo, if you have so much disdain for Americans, why don't you pack up and settle in one of your gun-free Utopias?

neo_anderson said on January 2, 2010 at 4:58 PM

I said I'm not arguing with gun advocates because I know they'll always win no matter what. Well, good luck. When I read about your success in using you gun to protect yourself and your family, I'll say, "Congratulation."

agent_smith said on January 2, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Mr. Anderson. I know you're a gun advocate, and you're using a reverse psychology to promote gun ownership. A nice move.

studentofjesus said on January 2, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Do not follow the crowd in wrong doing.

jeetkunedo said on January 2, 2010 at 5:55 PM

@studentofjesus: Amen.

jonjuan said on January 2, 2010 at 10:37 PM

"Guns Kill" No sorry Stupidity kills. Just keep building your little victim zones and when they have collected most of guns they be at your front door kicking it down because they'll know you're unarmed.

wtf2009 said on January 2, 2010 at 10:42 PM

Things that make u go hhhmmmm?! 1. Does anyone else think that it is weird that someone whom supposedly tried to commit suicide went and asked for help? HHHmmmmm?! 2. Does anyone else think that its weird that after the Jimmersons gave the police the story they stoped looking for a shooter and one of them has not been seen since(the 16 year old Jimmerson)? Hhhmmm?! Just a couple of things to think about. Just know that this wasn't a murder suicide!

world_citizen said on January 2, 2010 at 10:58 PM

For the pro-gun group (yes, I know you are the majority but that doesn't make you right) here is what I say “punishing the criminals after their killing is done is like closing the barn doors once the horses are out”. The only solution to REDUCE killings from guns is to reduce the number of people owning guns. I know many killings are committed by criminals who obtained the guns illegally but also many are committed by legal owners. Having a legally obtained firearm doesn't prevent unstable people from killing innocent people. Even police officers are killed by legal owners of firearms. Don’t you get it? Firearms are killing tools!!

spoklahoma said on January 3, 2010 at 1:19 AM

Outlaw Inlaws and only outlaws will have inlaws? Will inlaws be outlaws? Will outlaws inlaw? Guns dont kill people. Bullets kill people LoLzSimple solution-make bullets REALLY expensive - problem solved lol

jason_bourne said on January 3, 2010 at 4:11 AM

spoklahoma: You're a genius!

dede1978 said on January 3, 2010 at 9:46 AM

world_citizen, I agree that gun owners kill, but if they don't have access to guns, there will alway be other "killing tools" available. Stricter gun laws won't solve the problem.

cambersmommy said on January 3, 2010 at 12:16 PM

first off i live 3 complexes, it's really sad that this had to happen to such a young girl. As for the boy i really don't have any sympathy for this young boy cause he knew what he was doing when he did it. And as of those saying burien is a place to avoid is wrong because there are plenty of other citys,that is ALOT worse then burien and overall burien is a nice are area and yes i live in burien and was born and raied here. I believe this shooting was not gang related i think it was another deomestic violoence case sad to see it all starts as young as 16.

aliendogface said on January 10, 2010 at 12:37 PM

thesnowqueen said on December 31, 2009 at 10:47 PM I know those apartments. Business as usual. I'm just glad that no Officers were hurt. ??? sooo, f*ck the dead kid??? is what your saying?

aliendogface said on January 10, 2010 at 12:39 PM

thesnowqueen said on December 31, 2009 at 10:47 PM I know those apartments. Business as usual. I'm just glad that no Officers were hurt. ??? sooo, f*ck the dead kid??? is what your saying?