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by SUSANNAH FRAME / KING 5 News

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Posted on November 7, 2011 at 11:20 PM

Updated Thursday, Dec 8 at 1:31 PM

TACOMA - After a yearlong fight to obtain an important veteran’s benefit for Barry Mangan of Tacoma, the check finally arrived from the Veteran’s Administration in June of this year. It was $63,780 to adapt his home. Mangan had a fatal disease that left him living in a wheelchair and in need of housing adaptations such as a lift to get in the front door and wider doorways. But obtaining that grant money turned into a complicated, frustrating process for the family.

"It was completely demoralizing and energy depleting," said Barry's sister Carol Kindt.

In February 2010, VA doctors diagnosed Mangan, 54, with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), also known as Lou Gehrig’s disease.  ALS is a fatal, progressive disease that the military has linked to military service. It does not affect brain function, but destroys the nerve cells that control muscle function.

“It’s so hard when your body is your prison. Because ALS does not affect the mind. It doesn’t affect the thinking or how you feel inside,” said Barry’s wife Debbie Mangan. “His body was his prison.”

Men with any history of service in the armed forces are twice as likely to contract ALS as men with no military history.

Mangan served in the Army in the 1970’s in Germany. As a veteran with ALS, he was eligible for medical care from the VA as well as equipment to help him get around, and grant money to adapt his home. 

This avid outdoorsman, health nut, Sunday school teacher, engineer and father of five would end up confined to a wheelchair, unable to maneuver around his home.

“To keep him at home, to die at home. Those were the goals,” said Kindt.

The VA expedited Barry Mangan’s application for the grant money because ALS patients can disintegrate quickly. Most die between two and five years after diagnosis.

"We were told because of ALS we are priority one. That expedites things. It puts you at the top of the list," said Debbie.

The family says the VA provided excellent health care for Barry. The VA was also quick to provide pieces of equipment as his muscles atrophied, such as a ramp to get him into the back door. But as months went by  they didn’t hear a word about the grant to remodel the house.

The family felt they’d gone from the top of the list to bottom of the heap. While time was ticking for Barry, family members rushed around trying to get answers. Instead, they say they got unreasonable requests.

The VA insisted Barry sign certain documents; an impossible task for someone with advanced ALS. "That was part of the frustration. Barry could no longer write," said Kindt.

The family got requests for more medical records. These were forms they'd already sent in."It's already been submitted over and over again, what more could we possibly give you?" said Kindt.

At one point a person working with the family in Seattle told the family the Denver VA Regional Office, which processes housing grants, had lost their paperwork. It all needed to be resubmitted.

“How could you lose it? We have someone’s life staked on this. This paper is worth its weight in gold,” said Debbie.

Officials in Denver say they did not lose paperwork.

While they waited for the check, the Mangan’s moved Barry into a veteran’s nursing home in Lakewood. He couldn’t navigate his wheelchair in the house anymore.

“Everybody was telling us it will be soon. We’re just waiting for one more paper. We’re waiting for one more announcement. It will be soon. We’ll be starting on the house (soon),” said Debbie. “For the children he wanted to come home. He was ready to come home and I said I can’t. I can’t bring you home yet.”

The KING 5 Investigators tried to get to the bottom of what happened with Barry’s case. The reporters got different explanations. The Denver VA sent KING 5 News a letter which said the nursing home stay slowed down the process. 

“The admission into the nursing home delayed the decision on grant approval pending the doctor’s release saying Mr. Mangan would be able to return to his residence,” wrote an official from the Denver office.

Debbie Mangan had never heard that before.

The Denver office told KING 5 News they did their part to expedite the process. But they refused repeated requests for an interview.

A year after sending in the first application, hope finally arrived for the Mangans via UPS: the check for $63,780. Debbie Mangan celebrated the fact her husband was coming home.

"I was elated, I immediately called the VA in Seattle and said I have the check in my hand and he said great. Let's have a meeting Thursday. Let's get this going," said Debbie.

Thirty minutes later, after months of work and waiting, Debbie Mangan got a call from the nursing home. Barry had passed away.

"I have never felt joy turn into sorrow so fast," said Debbie.

Barry died alone on June 21, 2011 in the nursing facility, waiting to come home to his family.

"But it didn't happen that way. He wasn't home. He wasn't home because of the paperwork. One more piece of paper, there was one more thing," said Debbie.

The next day, Debbie Mangan sent the check back.

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pappawtom said on November 11, 2011 at 10:54 PM

This is a great example of why the government should not be handling anything that is so important to us such as our health. The bureaucracy would let us all die while waiting for everything in triplicate. This is why so many people cheat the government all the time. Each department has their own forms and rules and we have to jump through so many hoops just to get anything from them and they certainly do not communicate with each other regarding us. It is like going to a different store for each grocery item you need to buy. Free enterprise may not be perfect in its approach to anything with all the greed that we have seen but at least it can and will get whatever we need to us faster than the government and the cost is no different. It is time that we fire all the politicians and their political parties and vote in people in each district that we know will listen to us and get the job done.

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andyblue555 said on November 10, 2011 at 6:56 PM

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Disgraceful... What else can you say. When the little people finally band together against a system that screws so many blatantly we will see changes... Don't expect people to do that though. People are too selfish in America. Expect nothing in our lifetimes and you wont be disappointed. America is in a deep pit of shame since we started to torture people. That karma will find us all.

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albro said on November 10, 2011 at 6:22 AM

SO, 'KING-5', THIS ALL HAPPENED IN JUNE, BUT YOU SAVED IT TO USE RIGHT BEFORE VETERANS DAY, IN ORDER TO USE THE HEADLINE SHOCK VALUE TO BUILD READERSHIP. HOW COMPLETELY SLIMY OF YOU!!!!

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smoke_monster said on November 9, 2011 at 7:15 PM

They need to start paying their employees on commission. If they had to worry about not getting paid, things would change quickly.

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AmyMarie said on November 9, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Kudos to you for sending the check back. I understand how difficult it must have been to wait on something that should have been immediate when it was so well deserved, and that is why I thank you for sending it back. Now a vet in similar need will have that funding available to them, and hopefully will not have to wait as long. Condolences for your loss.

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missalex01755214 said on November 9, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Who cares, just feed us more Kim Kardashian, KC anthony, Tiger Woods stories! They keep us caring about what is truly a problem with America. See George Bush did successfully do one thing, alter the media so Americans are the most uneducated and ignorant countries ever. Its so bad that even the media thinks what they do now is really good journalism. Dan Rather, I still miss you and the fact you have a big set and refused to be silenced.

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Jose_Dejesusc96 said on November 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM

WHERE IS MY 1 ORIGINAL COMMENT ?

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Jose_Dejesusc96 said on November 9, 2011 at 11:43 AM

FREE SPEECH OBVIOUSLY DO NOT APPLY HERE... LET PEOPLE SPEAK THEIR MINDS. WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OFF ???

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jakenick said on November 9, 2011 at 10:29 AM

I'm a Marine Corps Vet, Hopefully if this happens again to someone they can reach out to other Vet's in the area and they can also check with the VFW. I know I would of help and I know of others that would have helped with the construction so he could of went home to his family. Semper Fi

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agarmy said on November 9, 2011 at 10:21 AM

Well, in recent years, the VA has had to do a ton of hiring freezes, so, they end up not having the staff they need to actually see every patient they get in a timely manner. Unfortunately things like this happens, perhaps they should make it to where instead of sending paperwork out a few states away, each VISN deals with their paperwork on their own. Maybe then there will be faster communication and quicker responses.

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poedvet said on November 9, 2011 at 7:31 AM

In 1973 my father, a disabled veteran of WWI, died. It took the VA a YEAR to get my mother's pension going. My sister supported her while she waited. I was in school at Ft Jackson and had not a clue how the system worked. Knowing what I know now I would have worked the issue much differently. What happened to my mother was a gross inconvenience but she had family to get her thru and she suffered no lasting consequences. This man died away from his home and family because the VA was unable to process his paperwork in an efficient manner. I have had many dealings with the VA - many were good but I have never been in the kind of situation this man and his family faced. The saddest part is that this story is not unique. I don't know what needs to happen to make the VA more responsive and effecient but whatever it takes needs to get done. We spend BILLIONS screwing up our Soldiers physical and mental health. We need to spend a lot more on healing them.

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mrsss said on November 9, 2011 at 6:48 AM

This is another example of how our government forgets about the vets in this country. Politicians care about one thing, putting money in their pockets. Unless you have money the politicans could care less about you.

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mattgordonmd said on November 9, 2011 at 5:36 AM

Very sad. The VA budgets were drastically slashed starting under G W Bush. Now the republican obstructionists in congress are not cooperating on the important legislation.

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chrisgarp said on November 9, 2011 at 1:34 AM

Sounds about right. Let's not forget, Boehner voted against the 9/11 Health and Compensation Act, which would have provided health coverage and financial compensation to first responders to the World Trade Center terrorist attacks. He has a track record for dissing men and women in service to our country.

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tootoo said on November 8, 2011 at 11:39 PM

@scoutpapa Because Boehner, the Republicans and all their wealthy supporters have done nothing but try to pass pro-VA benefit bills that the Democrats keep blocking...right?

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scoutpapa said on November 8, 2011 at 9:56 PM

One Year and only 1 Year, the VA must have had a ROCKET up their backside. I have fought the VA for over 5 years. The VA should be run like Social Security where everyone walks in gets it for free. Also Social Security should be run like the VA. But Boy would you then hear all the Democrats scream.

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mtvernvet said on November 8, 2011 at 9:36 PM

My condolences to the family, this was a tragedy that didn't have to happen. I'm a disabled vet and have dealt with the VA since 88. The VA doesn't know what's going on. I've been trying to get my disability raised since 07 and I'm still waiting. I've been sent to the same Dr. for my comp. eval. twice. After the first visit I informed the VA this Dr. was terrible. The VA contracts other Dr.'s, not the VA Dr.'s. They’re paying other Dr.'s to do what they should be doing. The Dr. I saw wasn't a specialist, he was a gen Dr. The VA has you jump through their hoops to get anything done. "Try this (the cheapest thing first) and we will have a phone appt. in 5 weeks to see how it's doing." If that didn't work then they try the next cheapest thing. I’ve had my meds changed without seeing a Dr. I had my former Primary care physician look me in the eye and say "I'm not going to do any more to help with your disability, enjoy what you have now". WHAT? They should help vets not be against them.

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factoid said on November 8, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Truly a tragic story. Sadly this is all too common in any large bureaucracy, where mindless minions work to follow procedure and do not care about the result. Granted in Government this seems to be a more pronounced problem as often times you are also dealing with incompetence and laziness. Nothing will change, because a large bureaucracy breeds this type of behavior.

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PABillT said on November 8, 2011 at 7:03 PM

First, my deepest condolences to this family. My cousin, a Vietnam vet was also diagnosed with ALS just a year ago. He recently died from an unrelated problem, but I can say his experience with the VA in California, was totally different. He was very happy and pleased with the rapid and caring service he got from the VA. I understand, as a veteran myself who has just entered the VA system, that they are backlogged. However, I always cringe when I see reporters only showing stories of the VA problems.

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izzy1968 said on November 8, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Lets see blaming Gregoire or Obama roll out on the blogs.. even though we all know this is paperwork nightmares that has ALWAYS been in place!

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JohnDoeSmith said on November 8, 2011 at 6:03 PM

No, you know who to blame? The administration. Call any one at the VA, OIF/OEF have priority over any other veteran including WWII veterans. It does not matter how sick the veteran is, the OIF/OEF one will come first. Call. Check it out.

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imaBitPod said on November 8, 2011 at 5:33 PM

My heart goes out to Barry and his family. It is a shame the last days of his life was spent fighting the VA for the resources to die comfortably and peacefully. Unfortunately this situation happens more than we all think. This man had a vocal advocate and good family support. But those who are not so lucky end up with a very depressing end of life. My wife works in the hospice unit of the VA and she is regularly frustrated with the VA and it's treatment of hospice patients and their families. There needs to be more of the families like Mr. Mangan's to step forward and tell their stories to bring light to this crisis. There are many. Believe me, I hear about them every evening. These men and women who fought for us deserve for us to fight for them.

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bigdaddyof4 said on November 8, 2011 at 4:44 PM

According to the VA Monday Morning workload report posted on the VA website, as of Nov 7th, 2011 there were 863,628 claims pending nationwide and 529,311 of them are over 120 days old. That means 61.3% of the total claims are older than 120 days nationally. In the Seattle Regional Office 78.6% of the pending claims are over 120 days! It's a criminal shame what is happening at the VA.

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rollingeye said on November 8, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Blame both parties. I have been in the VA System for 20 years! the Republicans cut and the democrats don't put it back in. Easy. Simple solution: Put the money back in to the Veterans, and take it form the corporations that have their hand out. It is not our job to bail out every major company, because of our market system. Bush cut us down 57% by the time he left office. (several newspapers). And Obama has never put the money back in. But when it came to giving money to the Major Corporations, they all bend over backward! We need to reset the priorities, And get this country back. So ride the back of BOTH parties to get what they have taken and not given back to us veterans! That is the only way to cut up the red tape and make the veterans happy. Hell it might even get rid of the over 400,000 claims that still need to be reviewed!

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bigdaddyof4 said on November 8, 2011 at 4:01 PM

tootoo- I am in total disagreement with you on universal healthcare. I've had my taste of how the US Govt handles health care for the past 10 years with the VA. I promise you, you don't want to have them making your health care decisions! This story is but one of countless thousands of the way our US Govt will stick to the unwritten creed that the VA so aptly applie. That is "Deny Deny, Until they Die". If you could only experience it for yourself you would not make such a statement as you just did!

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tootoo said on November 8, 2011 at 3:32 PM

@ttylboy If republicans weren't so against universal healthcare, there wouldn't be any need for a freaking veteran of our country to wait for his medical funds, not knowing if he will die before they get there. I'm sorry, but Democrats may be in power, but when republicans are so worried about saving themselves a buck or two instead of funding the country, there's not much Democrats can do.

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conseula said on November 8, 2011 at 1:16 PM

The contemp and discusts I feel (and sadness) I feel for what "our" VA let happen to his man because of the red tape/paper work , INEPTNESS! A solider, our soldiers who fight to protect our country are treated like disposable trash..Why, should it take months on end to provide the needs of our vets? Why? Doesn't take much paper work to get food stamps and welfare by those who are too lazy to work/scam artists. Granted, there are some who have no choice due to circumstances..

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ttylboy said on November 8, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Someone earlier stated, "I hope Tim Eyman, Republicans and all the other anti-tax people sleep well tonight," Er...excuse me it is Democrats who are in office in mass right now so if there is any taxing issues or lack of funds let it be on who is in office today. They are the one's who can make the changes and obviously are not. As to what happened here, this is a complete crime on the part of our government and they should be on trial for what I call a murder. When it comes to Vets this should be so easy in my mind. You bring a local Vets official out to meet the ailing vet, check out his DD-214, check out the medical records to prove the issue exists, and poof! A check is written right on the spot. These people out in the field offices are there for what? Certainly not to provide the service our people need. What they do after wards for tracking or figuring out where the money comes is up to the government. Not the individual vet with the medical issue having to sit and wait

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afgeisafailure said on November 8, 2011 at 11:05 AM

I have had extensive and ongoing appointments at the VA. The clinical staff at the VA are superb and dedicated. My main concern is the level of union protection afforded to employees that are inept, lazy and hostile. Time and time again I have witnessed rude behavior, minimal communication skills and a lack of work ethic on the part of some employees. I place the blame squarely on their union, the AFGE. The AFGE runs things like thugs and will not take responsibility to correct employees. The system is almost as if it has been set up to see how much a person can get away with rather than become a valuable employee. This is my opinion is the core issue.

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bazwest said on November 8, 2011 at 11:05 AM

I have a good friend, vietnam vet, in the same boat also with an ALS diagnosis, who has been discharged from the VA to his home, and he can't get up the stairs to his bedroom. The VA has outlined for him a number of benefits that he qualifies for, including a wheelchair lift for the stairs, but the mucky mucks who process the paperwork haven't got it done. Phone calls to his assigned VA social worker go unanswered for days or weeks at a time. The problem is the direct result of the huge unwieldy bureaucracy that the government VA is. The programs are available, but they are so inefficient at processing paperwork and claims (every I must be dotted and T crossed in triplicate, and so forth), that my friend and others are languishing without the assistance the qualify for and need. We have organized a group of volunteers that go over each night to help my good friend up the stairs to his room. We are happy to do it, but lets solve this problem.

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1beachperson said on November 8, 2011 at 11:01 AM

So sad for him, and all vets. Vets should be our TOP priority and given every benefit we can for valiantly serving our country - whether in podunk Georgia, or Iraq or any place in between.

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kingster said on November 8, 2011 at 10:04 AM

My experience with the VA has been a mixed bag. When it works, the care is excellent, but when the foul-ups are in charge, it is a nightmare. For this reason, I have deliberately avoided having any more dealings with them than necessary. Any more, since it is so difficult to talk to them, I do all communication by mail, and they still can't do things right some times. You need a senator or congressman chewing on their tail to make their brains function. They don't like admitting fault and do what they want disregarding the facts totally, and it can be costly in financial and purely human terms. My heart goes out to this man and his family but as an Army brat, I have had to endure these people all my life.

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tugthug said on November 8, 2011 at 9:50 AM

Well said Bigdaddy. I walk in the same shoes when dealing with the VA.

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bigdaddyof4 said on November 8, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Sadly, I'm not surprised at this story. I personally have been waiting 14 months since I applied for disability with the VA. The comment already made about the United States using it's veterans up and then throwing them away isn't far from reality. Our own Senator Patty Murray is chairwoman of the Senate Veterans Committee and is just as guilty of stonewalling veterans as any Senator. I have contacted her office twice and been brushed off both times like I don't matter. The recommendation for those who wonder about this, to spend an hour at the Seattle VA Hospital is very valid. It's just a crying shame this country doesn't keep it's promises to those who have given the most for it's freedoms!

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sealass said on November 8, 2011 at 8:42 AM

This is a sad reality in this country. The paperwork and the lack of competence in the people involved is incredible. I have taken care of many people with this disease and it is heartbreaking to see someone you love to go through that. Clearly things need to change. How long will that take? and how many more Vets need to suffer before people pull their heads out of their asses?

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SMHATYOU said on November 8, 2011 at 8:14 AM

aziza, this is not unique to veterans alone. There are MANY people that get a raw deal because of dumb workers that the government employs. Guaranteed, someone dropped the ball, which in turn caused heartache for this man and his family.

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yessir said on November 8, 2011 at 8:00 AM

It sounds like, from his family's perspective, the medical care being provided by the VA was adequate, and that it was the home remodel that was delayed. Tragically this prevented him from dying at home with his family. Very sad story.

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aziza said on November 8, 2011 at 7:58 AM

This is why I'm against the war(s) in Afghanistan and Iraq- our soldiers and their families are being abandoned. I cannot imaging what grief his family is going through along with the anger and frustration. When is our country going to wake up?

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tugthug said on November 8, 2011 at 7:44 AM

RIP Shipmate! You will not be forgotten!

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tootoo said on November 8, 2011 at 7:32 AM

I hope Tim Eyman, Republicans and all the other anti-tax people sleep well tonight, knowing that them saving a few bucks a year on taxes cost this man his life.

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fwkc63 said on November 8, 2011 at 6:54 AM

@unlurker - the money was to be use to adapt him home due to ALS. If he isn't in the home any longer, the money is null and void. This is so freakin' sad. To die alone without your family by your side....it shouldn't have happened! The VA should be ashamed of themselves!

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rnl52 said on November 8, 2011 at 6:25 AM

This is sickening, and indicative of the lack of resources that the government gives the veterans. Bring the troops and the money home, tax the corporations (many, like Exxon, BofA and GE pay zero) and end the Cayman Island tax havens. We have the money, just not the will. The richest and most powerful nation, with an increasingly poor and sick population. Disgusting....and to think the cons are constantly telling us we are "broke". What a lie.

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overlake said on November 8, 2011 at 2:56 AM

Newsflash: This is absolutely typical of the VA. I encourage any of you who have doubts to step foot into the Seattle VA Medical Center and just sit in the waiting room for 1 hour. You will be disgusted at what you see.

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unlurker said on November 8, 2011 at 2:13 AM

This more of a question than a comment: In the story the family of Mr. Mangan received a check from the V.A. to upgrade their home. It was a Grant. Why was the check returned to the V.A.? That family could use that money, and I hope they get to good Service Officer and file for death benefits to include a D.I.C.

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1baddude said on November 8, 2011 at 1:28 AM

Someone has to stop this stupid red tape. We put uor veterns in harms way and them home in pieces and make them suffer even more. All the elected jerks that have never even one day in the service should be required to be deployed for at least six months before they can maks any decisions about millitary poliicy. .

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Tnadal said on November 8, 2011 at 12:23 AM

this story smells funny.

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JennyGD said on November 8, 2011 at 12:06 AM

This is so disturbing. While my husband is not a Vet, he does have ALS and I know what a horrible horrible disease it is. I'm sick to my stomach that Mr. Mangan had to die alone, when he had family who loved him and cared for him and wanted him at home as much as he wanted to be there. I wonder what the cost was for Mr. Mangan to stay in the nursing home? Close to the price of his requested home remodel? As more and more vets are discharged from the upcoming wars, more and more of then will be diagnosed with ALS. It's only going to get worse. Sending my prayers and thoughts to all his family.

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invalid said on November 7, 2011 at 11:53 PM

@WhoMe: This wasn't a health care problem. Right there in the story it says he got everything he needed promptly as his condition deteriorated. They just couldn't remodel the house so that he could live at home.

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rollingeye said on November 7, 2011 at 11:41 PM

This is normal from the Veterans Admin. Now you can see what cutting the VA does and how it effects Veterans. Figures, how else can you get anything from the government, they use us in the Military and then throw us away when we are out of uniform. There is a backlog of over 600,000 waiting just for the first part, and over 1.2 million more veteran files waiting to be appealed. This is how the United States treats Veterans in every situation. Guess, it is for society, we only love you when you are fighting, but don't want you around when you are out! It is time for everyone to get on every elected person's back and reform how they cut the veterans out. Let us have the honor that we have fought for, and the items that we signed contracts for, without the delay. Besides this, we have many disabled and homeless veterans that can't get any help until the VA has the funding it needs!

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WhoMe said on November 7, 2011 at 11:39 PM

No excuse for this kind of treatment. Sounds like the VA is trying to act like insurance companies that deny, make you wait for answers then rushes you out of the hospital asap. So sad in this great country we have such a lousy health system both in the military and out.

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rite2post said on November 7, 2011 at 11:39 PM

there are more active duty soldiers dying each day waiting to be sent home.

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plungginalong said on November 7, 2011 at 11:32 PM

What a crying shame.

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