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New cigarette tax driving more smokers to black market

by CHRIS INGALLS / KING 5 News

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Posted on October 20, 2010 at 10:00 PM

Updated Thursday, Oct 21 at 4:42 PM

Editor's Note: After this story originally aired, the WA Dept. of Revenue pointed out an error in our tax calculations.  While the number of cigarette stamps sold in WA has dropped because of the new tax -- we incorrectly reported that fewer tax dollars are being collected.  The online stories include the corrected information.
 

SEATTLE --  Tax hikes are never popular. However, Washington state is relying on a boost in the cigarette tax to help it out of its budget crisis.

A KING 5 Investigation reveals how lawbreakers are undermining that effort, committing their crime on your dime.

The state’s cigarette tax rose by $1 in May, leaving a taste for many smokers that’s as bitter as the cheapest pack of smokes.

With state taxes now totaling more than $3 per pack, would smokers cheat the tax man if they could?

“Yeah, if I knew of a place I’d be there,” said John King after he spent $80 on a carton of cigs at Tobacco Lane in Shoreline.

“I'm just trying to get my cigarettes for as cheap as I can," said Dallas Provencal, another customer.

That's what's fueling a growing black market, documented in surveillance video recorded by the KING 5 Investigators.

Our cameras rolled as people moved cartons of contraband cigarettes in Seattle’s International District. In one scene, two women can be seen lifting a large garbage bag into a car trunk. They accidentally allowed a box of bootleg cigarettes to fall out of the bag where it could be clearly seen on camera.
 
The KING 5 Investigators also recorded them selling illegal cigarettes for cash to a steady stream of customers.

Black market cigarettes are for sale in other places, too.  Provencal bought some from a man selling them out of a backpack.

"I actually bought them at a Seahawks game,” he said. “I saw them there selling them for $5 a pack. I thought, ‘Hey, $5 a pack. You can't beat that.’"

With our hidden camera, we followed a man who bought a carton of cigarettes from a woman selling at 12th Avenue South and South Jackson Street in Seattle.  The man paid $50 cash for a carton of Marlboros. That’s $30 less than store prices. The packaging reveals that the cigarettes are from Vietnam. They're actual Marlboros that sell for much lower prices overseas.

Owners of legitimate tobacco stores can't compete with the black market.

"It's growing. Nobody pay sthe taxes,” said Tobacco Lane owner Imran Janoo, whose Shoreline store is already suffering in the bad economy and from a massive street construction project outside his front door.

The illegal trade hurts taxpayers in Washington, too. The Vietnamese smokes have no state tax stamp on the bottom. The stamp is the proof on each pack of cigarettes that the $3 tax has been paid.

The bootleg cigarette market isn't new.  However, there's evidence it is growing since the new tax hike went into effect.
 

Data from the Washington Department of Revenue shows that tax stamp sales fell in the months after the May tax increase by an average of three million stamps per month.  The state is generating more money because of the new tax, on average $5 million more per month.  But the number of tax stamps that cigarette wholesalers are buying, an indicator of legitimate cigarette sales, is down.

That would be great if it meant people like Dallas Povencal were quitting.

“Me and my wife just talked about it,” he said. “It would save us $400 a month.”

Instead of quitting, more smokers are likely cheating.

The Washington state Department of Revenue, the tax collectors, estimates that soon one of every three cigarettes sold in Washington will be untaxed contraband.

Most of them are illegally sold in Washington after being trucked in from neighboring states like Idaho where the tax on each pack is only 57 cents.

But law enforcement sources tell us that sophisticated, international smugglers have also moved in.

The woman who sold us the un-taxed Vietnamese cigarettes is Ahn Nguyen. When approached by the KING 5 Investigators she denied running black market cigarettes.

“I smoke. I don't sell. I don't do nothing. I smoke," said Nguyen, explaining the cash and the cartons of cigarettes she was seen handling.

Shortly after her interview Nguyen was arrested by federal agents and Seattle police for another scheme to cheat taxpayers: food stamp fraud.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms says it is currently involved in an investigation of large scale cigarette trafficking. But due to the sensitive nature of the case, it would not provide any details.

FACT:  Shoreline's Tobacco Lane sells a pack of Marlboros for $8. More than half of that price goes to taxes. $1/pack - federal tax, $3.025/pack - state tax.

For more information on Washington's cigarette tax click here.

 

 

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Prometheus63 said on July 13, 2011 at 12:18 PM

I can only say one thing, I am glad that I quit smoking cigarettes in 1969. They were 25 cents a pack in the stores in NY, (yes, 25 cents), and one of the reasons that I quit was that it was 30 cents a pack in the cigarette machines, which is where I usually bought them for the convenience ... and I thought that the extra nickel was a total ripoff. Depending upon where they live, I seriously can not even believe that people would pay 6, 7 and 8 dollars or more for one pack of cigarettes ... that's insane. If you want to have a pleasurable vice it would be cheaper to take up smoking cannabis. At about $30 to $35 an eighth for a good strain it should last longer and ultimately be cheaper than smoking tobacco. If people want to bring their tax happy government and the greedy tobacco corporations back to reality, simpy don't buy into the system by purchasing the product. Quit ! ... It's really not that difficult. Peace to all, Prometheus

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phil49 said on January 25, 2011 at 12:10 AM

The state may be concerned about our health in making taxes higher and higher. But there is a downside to making people quit smoking and for the government is much costlier. When France was going to impose strict smoking laws to make people stop smoking and be healthier and live longer the bean counters sounded the alarm. If most of the smokers quit smoking and in turn lived longer since non smokers do live longer than smokers, the increased cost to the government in social security benefits and related normal medical costs would be much higher than the government could afford to take on. So France decided it was not financially feasible to try and make them quit smoking. The shorter life span actually saves the government money. Since the US Social Security Medicare system is starting to run low on funds perhaps they too should cut back on their "stop smoking" programs.

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phil49 said on January 24, 2011 at 11:54 PM

When cigarette tobacco went up I couldn't afford it anymore. I usually roll my own. But now I buy "pipe" tobacco which is just as good as cigarette tobacco and cost a lot less. Where a small 6 oz bag of cig tobacco went to $36 which can make one cartoon of cigs I switched to Class L pipe tobacco which cost $16 for a 12 oz bag. That's about enough to make two and a half cartoons of cigarettes. $16 makes 500 cigs divided by 20ct packs = 25 packs @ $1.56 a pack of cigarettes. Pipe tobacco is a little stronger (full flavor), burns slower and the tobacco is cut a little wider but it works fine in rolling machines, including the filter sleeve machines. This is perfectly legal. Pipe tobacco is taxed much lower than cigarette tobacco and is sold in all smoke shops. I didn't include the price of the rolling paper or tubes. The filter tubes run $2.75 for 200 (one carton).

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samparking76 said on November 21, 2010 at 3:47 AM

the cigarette are tax $10 a carten from US customs at the airport if you bring back more then 2 carten. so the cigarette have tax pay on them at the airport. .

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samparking76 said on November 21, 2010 at 3:46 AM

the cigarette are tax $10 a carten from US customs at the airport if you bring back more then 2 carten. so the cigarette have pay on them at the airport.

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turblumber said on November 1, 2010 at 4:55 AM

Hmm, if us smokers each donated $10 per person, we could get Ahn Nguyen out on bail and back in business :D

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zaxxon7469 said on October 28, 2010 at 11:58 AM

Keep taxing I don't smoke. Keep taxing a habit that when done right still kills you. Keep taxing a lifestyle that in the golden years causes the insurance companies to keep shelling out monies, and making the non-smoker pick up the tab from higher rates. Keep taxing a sect of society who, when they enjoy there habbit, still pushes their choice with second hand smoke on the non-smokers. in fact start issuing $120 tickets to the smokers who huddle under a 4x4 foot awning outside a door, trying to stay dry, but well with in the 25' radius of the Law.

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liveinthegorge said on October 28, 2010 at 8:03 AM

When I lived in north Seattle I grew my husbands tobacco even thought I didn't smoke I wanted him to have healthier cigarettes. I bought kentucky burley tobacco seeds and some tennessee burley etc. On the north side of the garden I planted the tobacco I had started on a window sill in the house. The plants grew tall and huge leaves. We picked the leaves and dried them on the clothes line. Then after drying the curing took place by dipping the tobacco leaves in apple juice and drying indoors. After dry the cuisinart shredded the tobacco and we put an apple peel in each container of tobacco. It is not against the law as long as you only grow for your own use and do not sell or grow more than a tenth of an acre.

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dot7866532883480 said on October 27, 2010 at 9:33 AM

I do not smoke. A $3.00 tax is ridiculous. Our state taxes for everything and claims it goes for important things like education,roads,.... As much taxes as we pay, they should have a huge surplus not a deficit as they always claim. Someone should learn to budget or we need to replace out "leaders".

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nocando said on October 22, 2010 at 1:28 PM

What a ya expect!Put a 4 dollar tax on a six pack of beer and see what happens.Hi way robbery or Way Hi robbery?

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maynerdgkrebbs said on October 22, 2010 at 6:22 AM

At the price of a carton of cigarettes it is cheaper to take a train to Port Land,buy your smokes spend the day and return for less. If you bought a two months supply or a bunch sent one person to buy them you will be money ahead.

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sues_cheerio said on October 21, 2010 at 11:24 PM

@slappywag OBVIOUSLY toilet paper has a sales tax. I meant a special tax like cigarettes. I don't think it was much of a reach to understand my comment. Keep your negative comments to yourself.

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plutonomics said on October 21, 2010 at 9:13 PM

I'm surprised people don't grow their own tobacco.

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lsmith5870400119 said on October 21, 2010 at 9:01 PM

Just wait, pretty soon the Washington Dept. of Revenue will have check stands at all the border crossings from Oregon to Washington, and they will be taxing anything they think is bought in Oregon.

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lsmith5870400119 said on October 21, 2010 at 8:55 PM

Don't you know that the State is only concerned about out health? That is the only reason they tax you so high, not because they want the money. NOT

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scott_bellevue said on October 21, 2010 at 8:12 PM

I have an idea. How about we tax everything at such a high rate that there's nothing left but an underground economy.

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davesea said on October 21, 2010 at 7:51 PM

People who live in WA that can drive to Oregon and scrrrew the Wa liberials by buying from the Oregon liberials have my vote.

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telman said on October 21, 2010 at 6:41 PM

This happened in Canada years back. They hiked the price and bingo lost revenue to the black market. The Government wised up and remove the higher tax. I don't smoke but if I did I would cheat, sounds awful but I know I would.

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whatsyurbeef said on October 21, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Never did know a smoker who would'nt pay more for smokes good way to increase the revenue. Smoke smoke those cigarettes smoke till you puff yourself to death tell st. peter at the pearly gate he's gonna have to wait cause you just got to have another cigarette..

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kbbcoop said on October 21, 2010 at 4:21 PM

Only this state legislature would be surprised by this news. What a crackup.

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tomma206 said on October 21, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Where have you guys been? Been buying cigs for 20 a carton ever since they hit 5 a pack. I love to smoke and wont die from it rather I will die from taxes or the annoying sound of non smokers power trip of controlling others that dont live as they do.Lets hear it for the black market!

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ganglydwarf25073 said on October 21, 2010 at 1:18 PM

Federal tax is 61 cents a pack, not $1.00.

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chevy98520 said on October 21, 2010 at 12:20 PM

I smoke!!!! It is what it is. I have and will go elsewhere to get my smokes. THIS state brought this on all by themselves, It is still legal to smoke, yet the tax on a pack in this state is way out of line, has been for sometime. Grew up in the Vancouver area, I have seen how this state has slowly bumped things - tax - up to the point where we are.

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tandnreddy said on October 21, 2010 at 12:13 PM

Hey people - Quit smoking. It's a disgusting stinky dirty habit.

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sls41 said on October 21, 2010 at 11:40 AM

I don't smoke but unfair taxes over two hundred years caused a TEA PARTY that changed our country for the better that needs to happen again. Unfair taxes targeted at any group should not be allowed. We need fair and equal taxes for all and they need as low as possible to support a SMALL government that has the constitution in mind.

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mobides960970953 said on October 21, 2010 at 11:39 AM

The Laffer Curve strikes again!

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rmo70 said on October 21, 2010 at 11:35 AM

Serves the state right!! These greedy politicians seem to forget that when heroin addicts, or crank addicts need a fix, they don't do it legally. Since heroin is less addictive in nature than nicotine, voila !! you have black market activitiy! Hardly anything new here folks. Tax toilet paper a penny a roll, then everybody will get to have a hand at paying yet another new tax. I'm not all that smart, but I know about what an addict will do!!! Wake up Legislators and Governor. Please! Good thing the man from the White House has come to stump for you, you need much help in getting re-elected this time around with the legislative stunts pulled here in our own state, as well as in DC!

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awol50 said on October 21, 2010 at 11:25 AM

when I was a kid in the early 1960s, me and my brother would buy marlboros saying they were for our dad. of course, the old guy at the corner gas station knew better, but didn't care. 25 cents a pack. You could probably buy them for a buck or so a carton back then. I remember it vividly at the corner sinclair gas station back where i lived in po-dunk wisconsin. fortunately i never really liked to smoke and only experimented a little as a teenager, but this gives you an idea where we have gone...off the deep end on taxes. I truly wish a disease would pop up and kill every tobacoo plant in the world. But that won't happen. But if anyone thinks our spineless politicians really want you to stop smoking, you are not smoking tobacco. It's all about the money to them. Don't ever forget that.

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awol50 said on October 21, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Cigarettes and booze. I know alot of people who buy both out of state in idaho, montana (no sales tax also) and california. Booze is about half as much in these states. Easily pays for a weekend or longer sightseeing trip to any of these states for moderate to heavy users of each. But then again what do you expect from the lame crowd down in olympia. Just wait until the millionaire income tax passes. All those wealthy people buying jags, beemers, etc and dining at top shelf places will be gone....and see what happens to sales and b&0 tax revenue then.

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todddammitt said on October 21, 2010 at 11:10 AM

Ahhhh.... Cigarettes.... The only product that if used AS DIRECTED WILL KILL YOU... I say make 'em only 1.00 a pack.... then they can make more money charging a death tax as all you smokers drop dead at the local cancer center.

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chevelle70ss said on October 21, 2010 at 11:08 AM

if you dont like it quit and stop whinning

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nwnative65 said on October 21, 2010 at 11:01 AM

My wife and I started buying bagged tobacco and stuffing our own. Much better deal. With the tax at over 50% what does the state expect? That we will actually pay that? If I knew where to get illegal smokes I would do it too. This state is a JOKE when it comes to taxing the citizens and now they want an income tax too? Time to look for a different state to live in. Maybe they should place a tax on people moving here. Say a 5% per year tax. See hoew that works!!!! Greedy state officials and wasteful spending and they make ME pay more..... no... I won't play along anymore. It's bad enough that we smokers get the proverbial middle finger in this state... I'm giving it back buy going black market.

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tacwilster said on October 21, 2010 at 10:33 AM

A good reason for tax to stay on junk food, the pop, candy, etc that people on food stamps can not buy now. The food tax will make up for the lost taxes on cigarettes. No one tried to repeal the cigarette tax for us smokers. I say good job Gov now you are collecting less tax and us smokers now get cigs cheaper. Thanks King5 investigators I now know where to go to buy cheap smokes.

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eengelhart984914 said on October 21, 2010 at 10:22 AM

That worked !!! Didn't It Washington? Good JOB!!!

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evalela53 said on October 21, 2010 at 10:14 AM

When the price went over $5.50 a pack I started buying ,bags of tobacco and rolling my own,just recently the price went up $11 per bag,I don,t blame people for bootlegging this is just crazy,how much more money can you squeeze out of smokers,we pay more than our fair share of the taxes,then have the nerve to limit where I smoke,now you want to kick me out of the parks that my taxes pay for thats just wrong.Non-smokers also benefit from my cigarette taxes so stop treating me like a second class citizen.Start taxing the rich it's their turn to pick up the tab!!!!!!!!!

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zeus206 said on October 21, 2010 at 10:02 AM

I wish that they would raise the prices of smokes to $500 dollars a pack. That would make me quit because I need to quit but nothing that I have tried has worked.

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drbecker said on October 21, 2010 at 9:35 AM

So if I read this correct the effort to raise state revenue by increasing the tax on cigs has resulted in a $10million dollar a month decline in revenue. Nice move state legislature and Gov. It just goes to show how whenever taxes become ridiculous people will think nothing about cheating to avoid paying them. I am not surprised I bet near the OD border cigs are almost never purchased legally.

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olyboy said on October 21, 2010 at 8:59 AM

The state's democrat party doesn't seem to get it. Demand, and taxes are not fully elastic. For example, why would someone pay $50 for a bottle of gin at a state store when you can get the same bottle at COSTCO in Redding CA for $25? There is a point where the law or the tax becomes so rediculous that people will ignore or avoid it. Do the polititians not realize that there is a limit to what people will accept? People will break laws that they believe are unfair.

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matt7900 said on October 21, 2010 at 8:49 AM

why the hell should I be responsible for making up for their budget short fall. I cant afford it. In the last year I am now paying over $2.00 more per pack and at 1-1.5 pacs a day its outrageous

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hourforum said on October 21, 2010 at 8:45 AM

Question-as far as this story goes , how can a "NON SMOKER" complain and say " OUR TAX DOLLARS"-they are not the ones who "BOUGHT the product" therefore the "tax dollars" aren't "Theirs". Right? Oh Olympia-why not just raise taxes double what it is now. Wow, in this poor economy-that would be about 18.00 per pack!! Imagine that. Imagine the nice news headlines.. "Washington state offers a pack of smokes for 18.00!!" This is not fair. With all the WASTE that is going in in Olympia-you have the balls to raise my taxes on smokes? on Bottled Water? Time I think for the washington state residence to form a committee, and force Olympia to "show me the money" 2067369688

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dkjamerican said on October 21, 2010 at 8:29 AM

casey42, be careful what you wish for. State income tax can be totally unfair also because the people who pay the most are the full time workers that works long & hard to get ahead ends up paying more taxes, thus the vicious circle begins. And the people who use the State & Public services the most pays nothing. The State of Washington is trying to convince people that the State Income tax will only effect those in the higher income bracket to get the bill past, in two years they will lower the income required to a lower bracket, then they will continue to use lower the income bracket etc. etc. In the end it will still be the working people paying for those services they will never be intitled to because the worker makes too much, their children are grown, or they don't belong to a minority. Personal experience speaking.

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stryker said on October 21, 2010 at 8:23 AM

Have you whiners missed all of the other tax increases? Its not just tobacco. Grow your own if its that big of a deal.

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justasmoker said on October 21, 2010 at 8:17 AM

I don't know where Underserf buys his weed, but it doesn't cost $150.00 for 3.5 grams. Get on craigslist and search for mmj. The price for medical marijuana is mostly $10.00 a gram. Dude you have some issues. If I still smoked I would buy illegal cigarettes myself. I'm glad I quit 15 years ago. How ever...I do like my pot.

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ragtopkid said on October 21, 2010 at 7:55 AM

Remember the Boston Tea Party, I think it should be about time for a Washington Smoke party. A carton of Marlboros sells for about 27 bucks duty free they used to be 35cents a pack in this state. I understand that prices have went up. But our Legislature seems to be regulating our behavior. King George would be proud isn't this why we fought a war in 1776 against England. I am not calling for a war against the government but some common sense.

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chuckstr76 said on October 21, 2010 at 7:12 AM

What do the law maker think is going to happen??? I dont smoke, but I do enjoy my Crown Royal, and I go to California and buy it by the case, at $35 a bottle less....one case pays for my trip, several times over. Wake up Washington.. it will only get worse.

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rrl1971 said on October 21, 2010 at 7:12 AM

That's what you get for being greedy WA State! Now, if you were to legalize Marijuana and put a tax on that! Just think of the revenue, We could solve the state and any municipal budget woes in just a few months.

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lucyred said on October 21, 2010 at 7:05 AM

Just one of the many back fires from all the new taxes! Targeting one group of consumers is never going to go down easy. Now if only we could find bootleg candy and bottled water:) And no, we don't smoke or buy candy and water. Just don't believe this has been right.

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casey42 said on October 21, 2010 at 6:55 AM

Why is it that smokers are paying the taxes for the rest of the freeloaders? I say instill a state income tax and lets all share the "wealth". Seriously, the last few tax hikes have been on cigarettes. "That means 10 million fewer tax dollars are being collected per month." I don't blame people for going out of state or finding other methods of supporting their habit. I can completely understand, just as many of you freaked when soda and candy were taxed. Or liquor! Or ... It's ridiculous. Smokers are continually getting dinged. It doesn't matter what the cost of healthcare is down the line. People die of cancer who've never smoked a day in their life. People die walking across the street and getting hit by a bus .. I mean seriously. PEOPLE DIE, whether they smoke or not. I still say tax fast food -- high cholesterol adn such

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underserf said on October 21, 2010 at 6:44 AM

invalid - pot costs $150 for 3.5 grams BECAUSE it is illegal, on the same scale a pack of cigarettes would be around 100 bucks. Best of my knowledge no one was TRYING to finance the state budget on tobacco alone, but there WAS some mention of healthcare in the original advertising. Lung cancer patients without medical coverage DIE, period, no SSDI, no chemo, no nothing. Either blow this hypocrisy of taxing one form of self-destruction & keeping the rest illegal or start criminalizing ALL self-destructive behavior that is supported by the taxpayer. I vote we start with mountain climbing, begin with making ALL climbers pay for their rescues, taxing climbing gear commensurate with the number of climbers taxpayers paid to rescue the previous year. Then move on to skiers, snowboarders, skateboarders & surfers. NOT a SINGLE one of these leisure activities benefit society as a whole, yet we ALL pay for their rescues, long-term care when one in severely injured, etc. Hypocrisy.

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bigdaddyof4 said on October 21, 2010 at 6:44 AM

Yep! New York state, Seneca Tribe and the USPS get a boost from me. Mail order @ $30 carton shipped! Not really, I quit earlier this year but had I continued, I was all set to buy NY.

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aliciam98532 said on October 21, 2010 at 6:09 AM

What none of you guys seems to be realizing, is that the tax revenue is going DOWN since instilling these outrageous taxes. Party because of the bootlegging going on, but also because people are buying out of state and large numbers have quit all together. So, that isn't a working tax. It is BS and poor planning. I saw this coming when I first heard about the tax increase. You can go to OR and pay $20 less per carton. Now OR is getting our revenue.

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lululee said on October 21, 2010 at 6:07 AM

why not tax the alcohol too....

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skippypotpiebaby said on October 21, 2010 at 4:59 AM

YES WE CAN

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invalid said on October 21, 2010 at 3:53 AM

This is exactly why the "legalize marijuana and tax the heck out of it" crowd is so wrong.

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jackwong said on October 21, 2010 at 1:00 AM

I definitely calls for the federal government to get involved to crack down on this. We need the FBI to take down these people for these federal crimes, and IRS to to seize the smokers' properties.

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clear2copy said on October 21, 2010 at 12:58 AM

Gotta love the wheezers.. proving Darwin right with every puff.. keep up the good work!!

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anonymoususer said on October 21, 2010 at 12:46 AM

I sold 500 tobacco plants this year (legal) and I know someone else who sold 1,500 plants. As long as the leaves are not harvested and processed, it is legal to sell --- and it is legal to grow and process tobacco for personal use in every state. .... I make my own candy and soda pop as well - and nothing the state can do about it.

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jesman said on October 21, 2010 at 12:18 AM

The state should`ve left well enough alone when cigs were 4 bucks a pack (like THAT`S cheap?!?). I used to get cartons of name brand cigs for 10 bucks a carton! They forever lost me and my revenue forever as I`ve got other sources for more fairily prices cigs. Good job trying to get greedy, you`ve pushed too far and people are screaming NO! Ohh and I LOVE how the newsbroadcasters (and the mentality of all the non smokers)- say "OUR TAX DOLLARS". Like THEY have a right to tell us what we have to pay, and are now EXPECTING that revenue like it`s a given. No more revenue coming from me ...so long snakes.

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hourforum said on October 21, 2010 at 12:17 AM

about $34 million Per month as the news story reveals. OK lets do the math-that is 170 MILLION dollars ( free money) for the state-for EDUCATION. AH isn't that what Our Gov. said it was going for? OK now lets look further that is 408 Million dollars per year JUST FOR SMOKES!! AH, now the candy tax on top of that, the new bottled water tax.. wow all that "cash" for Education?? AH if that is the case Washington state people get off of it!!!! Listen closely. I am the only one here saying this... We have been LIED TO OVER AND OVER> DO we have George Bush as Our govenor? NO we do not. But by the numbers it sure seems a bit like it doesn't it. If the state spent those dollars where THEY SAID IT WOULD GO- not one school would be left out, laying off teachers, cutting programs,closing their doors. NOT ONE. Doesn't that make you mad? well It does me.rcsmAThourforum.net

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jesman said on October 21, 2010 at 12:08 AM

Hey FOLSKOW, What about the millions of smokers who in all the past wars, fought for your freedoms you now enjoy, including spewing your biased overly sensitive mouth? Are you gonna tell them they can`t smoke freely? Even in a bar? Feel good about your righteous self...

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sues_cheerio said on October 20, 2010 at 11:55 PM

Lucky smokers! They get to pay taxes that should be shared by everyone. I guess we should all be thanking the smokers. Without them we'd have 34 million less in taxes per month. It's easy to pick on the minority. Each and every one of us has an unhealthy habit, be it smoking, eating fast food, sitting around way too much. Why always pick on the smokers? If toilet paper was taxed, the gov would rake in more money and the tax would be more evenly dispersed.

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ramac7716 said on October 20, 2010 at 11:53 PM

The Smokers pay for most of the programs so FALSKOW Shut up and most of us die before we get Social Security. We Pay the largest part remember

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dakotanative said on October 20, 2010 at 11:24 PM

The idiots can send every agent out on the streets, but the only way they will make up the lost revenue is to drop the tax rate. A store that raises their prices, but loses 25% of their revenue would equate to about 40% less customers walking through their doors. There is no way they would allow that to happen for as much as a month. Why would the state stand for spending more money to catch the crooks when they can just drop the tax and get a 10 million dollar raise?

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falskow said on October 20, 2010 at 11:21 PM

People who smoke should not get health insurance. Let them pay 1000% tax if they want to smoke. For the people who bootleg cigarettes, give them life in prison.

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thesnowqueen said on October 20, 2010 at 10:43 PM

The State was moaning about how much tax money was lost LAST time they put a buck tax on a pack. So..............do it AGAIN and moan about the drop in tax dollars. Stupid people.

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dakotanative said on October 20, 2010 at 10:27 PM

Eight bucks a pack, and the state wants to know why people cheat? I was paying 3 bucks a CARTON for generics in 1985. 2500% inflation is outrageous. Even worse is that people actually pay it. That would be like buying a house that cost 250 grand back then that is worth 5.25 million now. Even if every penny of taxes is removed, the tobacco companies have still raised the price over 1200%. The wheat farmers are still getting the same as they did back then. Dairys are getting less in alot of cases.

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