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Investigators: Millions spent on ferry generators that can’t be used

by SUSANNAH FRAME / KING 5 News

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Posted on August 5, 2010 at 9:01 PM

Updated Thursday, Aug 5 at 9:25 PM

SEATTLE - Inside a South Seattle warehouse, giant wooden crates contain an expensive mistake made by Washington State Ferries (WSF). Multi-million-dollar, high-powered generators that will never be used are sitting inside.

They were supposed to be installed on the ferries Kaleetan and Yakima. The new equipment would allow the boats to propel through the water using two engines instead of four. They were purchased to help save money on fuel costs.

Ferry design engineers conducted studies before ordering the new generators but they made a big mistake. They didn't do enough testing to realize the equipment would be too powerful to use on the boats. Connector cables on the two ferries can't handle generators that powerful. If installed they could cause an electrical explosion called an "arc flash." An arc flash is a short circuit through air that flashes over from one exposed live conductor to another conductor or to ground. There are studies estimating arc explosions cause one to two deaths per day in the U.S.

The KING 5 Investigators obtained an internal state memo which says the generators would create a "possible life-threatening incident… in locations where vessel personnel are likely to be present."

Without knowing about the potential danger, in 2006 WSF ordered nine generators from the Texas company TECO-Westinghouse.

So far the state has paid $1 million for four of the nine. When problems cropped up, the state threw more money at the project.

In 2007, a million dollars was spent on a design change.

Last year, they spent $100,000 on consultants hired to find ways to fix the mistake.

So far the cost to taxpayers is $2.1 million. That number could grow to millions more to pay TECO-Westinghouse for work already performed.

In 2008, ferry engineers began to suspect the generators were too powerful to be used. The state hired the engineering firm Siemens Energy and Automation to conduct an analysis.

In February 2009, Siemens reported to WSF that, indeed, the switchgear on the boats could not handle that powerful of a generator.

State ferries didn’t scrap the project just yet. They hired another consultant - the Seattle-based naval architectural firm Guido Perla and Associates - to look for ways to allow the generators to interface safely with the cable connectors.

On April 28, 2010, Guido Perla reported to the ferry system that nothing could be done: "There is no viable, economically feasible device or technology that can safely (fix the problem)," wrote Perla engineers.

It wasn’t until three month later, in July, that state ferries officially told TECO-Westinghouse to pull the plug and stop all production.

Ferries Director of Vessel Maintenance Paul Brodeur signed off on the original order. He declined our requests for an interview.

KING-TV uncovered something else that’s troubling. The generators that are currently on the Kaleetan and the Yakima, and have been for ten years, have the same potential to cause an electrical explosion. Siemens Energy and Automation discovered and reported this safety concern to WSF a year-and-a-half ago.

Ferry officials tell us they're concerned but say nothing like that has ever happened and that their safety record is stellar. They also say that after a year-and-a-half, they're still working on a plan to solve the problem.

The Coast Guard tells KING 5 that just today WSF officials alerted them to the potential hazard and that they will be working with ferry engineers to mitigate the situation.

As for the unusable generators, four remain in boxes in a Seattle warehouse. The other five are at TECO-Westinghouse, nearly completed. It’s unclear how much the state will end up paying the manufacturer. The five generators at TECO-Westinghouse will remain in Texas. They are preparing to box them up and put them in a storage facility there until WSF decides what to do with the unusable equipment.

Statement to KING-TV from Assistant Secretary for Washington State Ferries David Moseley

Washington State Ferries has an unparalleled safety record. I would never put our passengers or employees at risk; safety is the number one priority of the organization. In the nearly 60 years that we have operated the ferry system, our safety record is equal to or exceeds any other ferry system in the world. Our 23 million annual passengers can count on our state ferries to deliver them safely to and from their destinations.

We have excellent engine room staff responsible for operations on the Super class vessels. There are no reports concerning any safety issues regarding the propulsion generators on the Kaleetan and Yakima.

Furthermore, the potential for this issue does not exist on any other vessels in the fleet because the nature of the power and/or the configurations of the propulsion plants on other vessels are different.

In 2007, Secretary Hammond demonstrated the department's willingness to put safety first when she withdrew the Steel Electrics from service when there was an issue of concern. Any suggestion that the ferry system would ever compromise the safety of our passengers or employees is unfounded as demonstrated by our record and actions.

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kwirth said on January 1, 2012 at 9:55 PM

As a long-time ferry commuter I am compelled to ask this question: I wonder if the folks who made this stupid decision to purchase these motors and then try to "fix" the problem by spending even more money are the same folks who purchased 2 high-speed passenger ferry boats (at a cost of about 10 million per copy) about a decade ago. The boats were made without first doing adequate testing to determine the effects of the boat design on erosion through the narrow passage between Bremerton and Seattle. When home owners won their suit took WSF to the cleaners, and effectively killed the use of the vessels on that run, what did WSF do with the boats? Did they put them on other runs that would not have caused those problems? Heck no. But the biggest losers were commuters who would have benefitted from those boats. There is clearly a long-term problem at WSF of making ridiculous errors of judgment like this. WSF is in dire need of qualified second opinions for all their planning.

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sunlover said on August 18, 2010 at 10:44 PM

This is a never ending story. It won't stop. It never has. Unions rule the ferries and management is stupid, just drawing their salary and pension. Waste on the Water has been going on for over 30 years. What makes anyone think it will get better. Shut them down and let people drive around and pay the cheaper tolls. Ferries cost way too much to be borne by the taxpayers anymore. Get rid of them. Let Vashon the the San Juans figure out how to get their residents to where ever they want to go. SHUT THEM DOWN. Tie them up. Moth ball them.

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framed said on August 11, 2010 at 3:59 AM

The challenge is explaining in 1000 words or less. For example, Frame interviewd the AG and the Secretary of Transportation extensively AFTER she made news about an employee who was sued by another employee costing the state a 2.8 million dollar judgement. After she was enlightened with the details of the case she stopped raising it because she learned it was more complex than her sources had told her. Yet no retraction or air time explaining what additional information she learned in the interview (that was never aired). The WSF employee who sued and won was not permanently injured in any way. He won 2.8 million dollars for having his "freedom of speech" abridged. His lawyer tried and lost using the same lawsuit against WSF the previous year. Before that this lawyer sued the state with different defendents using the same charges and lost. He just kept suing until he got a jury that would believe his story more than the state's. I am out of characters, there is much more to

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newsviewer said on August 10, 2010 at 10:28 PM

mrnose, angrybosun, and framed: We have been watching the Waste on the Water stories with great interest as we are regular commuters. We have found the stories to be enlightening. What exactly is the reporter getting incorrect? You have written that the reporter has all the facts wrong. If true, that is troubling. Can you please give some specifics on what is incorrect?

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framed said on August 9, 2010 at 6:04 PM

That capt is a legacy of the Anderson administration.

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captaingreg said on August 9, 2010 at 1:10 PM

So, after all of this whining about alleged waste can someone please explain to me why the Terminal Employees are being paid 28% over the M.E.C. Salary Survey? The Deck and Engine are (or have been) below the Salary Survey but the Terminal Department is heavily inflated on the wages for ticket takers and parking attendants. I thought that WSF contract negotiations and attendant wages were expected to be based almost solely on the the Marine Employees Commission's Salary Survey? Looks like this little nugget went unnoticed by Susannah. Maybe her "inside sources" are a little close to home for her to mention this discrepancy? 28%; I wonder how many millions that has cost?

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captaingreg said on August 8, 2010 at 7:24 PM

jjoyce111-I quite agree with your post; "Angrybosun, the ability to make an informed statement requires one: to in fact be informed, so please pay attention. The unlicensed MEBA contract is very clear in that if you take a position in the office you are NOT entitled to travel pay." I would agree with you if your comment didn't suffer from one glaring problem. You are obviously not informed, so please pay attention. The engine training personnel were working as assistants in the office and WERE therefore entitled to travel time under the licensed union contract.

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framed said on August 8, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Is this what constitutes good reporting K5? The people on both sides of this story are equally ignorant of the facts. It is your fault k5. The news media has a responsibility to tell the whole story from both sides and to be impartial. You have become something else, a form of entertainment media. The product you sell is no more complete or accurate as the grocery store check out magazines. You are not reporting all of the facts, you don't perform research, you don't find someone to explain the technology they tell you about and so you even botch that. You don't seek that alterior motivations of your sources, determine their vendettas, you don't practice journalisim. You are not reporting news you are creating it. I wonder if all of the stories you publish are equally devoid of news.

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jjoyce111 said on August 8, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Angrybosun, the ability to make an informed statement requires one: to in fact be informed, so please pay attention. The unlicensed MEBA contract is very clear in that if you take a position in the office you are NOT entitled to travel pay. The oilers who run or were running the engine department training program were being paid travel pay. That has gone away and they are now receiving chief engineer wages. As per the Chetzemoka, you are correct, it was not designed in house. However WSF decided to use the engines that were meant for the 144s, therefore the boat is overpowered. And this may be the cause for the vibration issues.

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yessir said on August 8, 2010 at 7:37 AM

bosun.... brilliant post... these anti-government types are bought into their dogma to the point of utter blindness

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angrybosun said on August 7, 2010 at 8:16 PM

All of you peeps that keep whining about privatization take heed: the MV Chetzemoka is being delayed on its delivery and utilization due to excessive propulsion system vibration. The vessel was designed and engineered by Elliot Bay Design and it was constructed by Todd Shipyard. Both of which are private companies. It will remain to be seen how long it will take and what it will cost to eliminate the vessel's issues. Applying the logic exhibited by the Privatization Zombies, we should fire them both and replace them with government agencies.

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angrybosun said on August 7, 2010 at 8:04 PM

@jjoyce111: You appear to be one of Susannah Frame's sock-puppets. I wonder how many nicks you have on this blog? I keep seeing the same handful of peeps posting over and over again using different nicks. Susannah whined to the Governor that "hundreds of people emailed and posted on the blog" regarding WSF. I would say it's more like about 30 - 40 not including the drive-bys. You need to mix up your style a bit if you're going to post as different peeps and try to pull it off. You need to be asking how much of the tax payer's money is being wasted on Susannah's vendetta. She's a one-trick-pony that's become fixated on one easy topic. WSF is close by and she can spam them with PDRs. PDRs that are filled by WSF employees at the tax payer's expense. Lastly; you and Susannah lack the technical expertise to gauge the competency of WSF's Engineering Departments.

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angrybosun said on August 7, 2010 at 7:46 PM

@jjoyce111: You are thoroughly deluded. All of the employees receiving travel pay, under Paul Brodeur, were entitled to it under their contracts. Do YOU understand what it means to be working under a contract? That means that the state was obligated to pay the travel time. The folks that were receiving travel time and were not entitled to it were in the Deck Department. That is Captain Williams responsibility. They were receiving travel pay even though it wasn't supported by their union. The "Millions Paid to a Select Few" is another absolute lie by Susannah Frame (either that or complete ignorance or incompetence). She appears to have successfully duped people like you into believing that Staff Chiefs were making Million$ in triple time pay. It added up to something like a total of 12K per year. Big deal. Lastly, Paul Brodeur wasn't Director of all 3 departments when the generator project was started. Paul Brodeur was a first level port engineer working for Mark Nitchman.

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jjoyce111 said on August 7, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Yes, mrnose, I have thought it through. Paul Brouder is a 100k a year state employee and must be held accountable for his failures and incompetence. The taxpayers deserve no less. The seriousness of these issues is the absolute disregard for millions of taxpayer dollars. Many thanks to King 5 news for exposing this graft, corrupt behavior and waste.

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mrnose said on August 7, 2010 at 2:33 PM

"jjoyce111", Are you serious? Have you thought this through? Do you really want to fire someone based on information provided by sound bites? Is that what we've become? Can you honestly say you have a good understanding of Paul Brodeur's competence, and if so, based on what, these pathetic news reports? Maybe Paul Brodeur deserves to be fired, but as anyone who has had that responsibility knows (or should know), you had better be 110% sure of your facts before you pull that trigger. Come on folks, we are intelligent human beings, capable of making rational conclusions based on adequate and relevant evidence. Aren't we???

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jjoyce111 said on August 7, 2010 at 12:39 PM

PAUL BROUDER! PAUL BROUDER! PAUL BROUDER! Almost every King 5 investigative report aired, identified Paul Brouder as the manager responsible for the ongoing failures at washington state ferries. We have witnessed millions of dollars paid in questionable overtime to a select few, travel pay paid to employees who were not eligible it, millions of dollars paid out for a harrassment suit, with no disiplinary action taken against those responsible and now millions of dollars wasted on generators that can not be used. How much longer will taxpayers be burdened by Paul Brouders incompetence? How much longer is Paula Hammond willing to defend Paul Brouder's incompetence?

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mrnose said on August 7, 2010 at 11:18 AM

There is plenty to criticize about local government, WSDOT, and the ferry system, but I would caution people NOT to rely on this report as a foundation to base that criticism. All of the waste on the water reports have been inaccurate, incomplete and biased, but this one in particular is completely botched. All of the questions Susannah Frame submitted to WSF regarding these generators were answered quickly and accurately, but it was too technical so she got it wrong, embarrassingly wrong. If any of you choose to use the "facts" as presented in this report as a bases for your point of view, you too will make a fools of yourselves. I hope that these reports get Susannah a raise and help King 5's ratings, at least then something positive would come from them. This could have been a good story, but all I see is another inaccurate report from a decaying form of media that regards "truth" as an option and sensationalism as a job well done.

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yessir said on August 7, 2010 at 5:02 AM

@tsmith... hmmm let's see here.... I state that there are some services the government provides well... such as the military, the fire department... and give some examples of private enterprise that don't go well... all while stating clearly that government most certainly should NOT be doing everything... or anything close to that... and I'm "part of the problem".... very interesting conclusion there. Since when did moderate thought become "part of the problem"?

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yessir said on August 7, 2010 at 5:00 AM

@tsmith... hmmm let's see here.... I state that there are some services the government provides well... such as the military, the fire department... and give some examples of private enterprise that don't go well... all while stating clearly that government most certainly should be doing everything... or anything close to that... and I'm "part of the problem".... very interesting conclusion there. Since when did moderate thought become "part of the problem"?

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rightwingliberal said on August 7, 2010 at 1:33 AM

I heard its all a conspiracy from the clean coal companies to get coal fired steamships back in service. They should be running on hemp oil. Legalize freedom. if Ron Paul or LaRouche were president we could have hemp ferries and yellow submarines.

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ramac7716 said on August 6, 2010 at 10:13 PM

most goverment people can't do their jobs they are in over their heads you need skilled people that know the total job. you need to start from the bottem and work your way up

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brewster said on August 6, 2010 at 9:43 PM

One of the biggest reasons that all those tax payers money get wasted is clear just by reading the comments in here! There are so many people that just don't get it! Their thoughts are " Oh well it is just a few millions" I see it all the time on these forums. So it is not just the politicians and leaders of the state to blame for this economical mess, it is the ignorance of the voters as well!

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washingtonian said on August 6, 2010 at 8:50 PM

I couldn't care less I don't pay taxes to Cantgroire.

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libbygu said on August 6, 2010 at 8:06 PM

Of course Gregoire would like to point out that NOTHING ILLEGAL was done here. I

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lsmith5870400119 said on August 6, 2010 at 7:42 PM

Yessir It sound like you are part of the problem. Do you work for the government?

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heyjoe said on August 6, 2010 at 4:57 PM

Perfect example of the Spendocratics in this State when the money flows. How can you miss this?

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angrybosun said on August 6, 2010 at 4:54 PM

When WSF embarked on this plan Paul Brodeur was working for Mark Nitchman and Mark Nitchman was Director of Vessel Maintenance. Paul Brodeur wasn't appointed to a position over all 3 departments until 2007 or 2008. Brodeur was just a Port Engineer at the time and he inherited this program. This would seem to be Vince Crane's domain and we haven't heard him mentioned yet. Hey Susannah, you need to get your timelines straight lady.

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neakup said on August 6, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Black Ball would never have entered into this fiasco. Too bad the WSF ignores Seimens, et al to facilitate informed purchases of improper generators.

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framed said on August 6, 2010 at 4:38 PM

Lets get a few things straight, the mistake is a function of trying to keep floating antiques like the Super class running for another 30 years on a shoestring budget. The lowest cost option available to restore their speed, increase their fuel efficency and to improve their dreadful reliability was this. It did not work because there is insufficient money to change the locations of circuit breakers and wiring in conformance with 2010 rules applied to a 1967 boat. The state could just build new ferries every 30 years with federal money in the gulf of Mexico and much of this would go away. But then so would the subsidy of numerous private companies like local shipyards, parts suppliers and thousands of vendors getting their own little government subsidy. Most of the time these creative little shuffles silently put money in the pockets of our fellow citizens. The situation is going to be even worse when Mary Margret's new flagship ever goes into service.

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david_mack said on August 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM

Suzie took a ride on the Bremerton run yesterday, & found nothing to report. It's been 3 long weeks since her last report. Is she running out of "Waste on the Water " series stories to do ? I find it repugnant that every story has a deckhand either handling lines or breaking chains, doing his/her job while wearing the WSF vest, when the real story is about the 2901 building wasting the states /taxpayer funds. There seems to be an endless amount of file footage of those same deckhands working on the vessels, not walking/driving out of the 2901 3rd Ave Building where the decisions are made, considering the 2901 Building is just blocks from KING 5. Where is the in depth story about WHY the M/V Chetezamoka lists 4 degrees to the portside, alongwith the postponing of the "celebration" in Port Townsend to welcome her to the run ??

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whatsyurbeef said on August 6, 2010 at 9:47 AM

Don't like to see money wasted on ferrys, boats either.

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scoty said on August 6, 2010 at 9:22 AM

Oh yeah, and if this happened at a private company where the people were accountable for their actions and lost the investors money, SOMEONE WOULD GET FIRED. (as tax payers we are the investors of the Ferry System)

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scoty said on August 6, 2010 at 9:21 AM

HEY VOTERS WAKE UP, this is exactly what happens when you put MORONS in charge of this state, Patty Murry, Gregiore all of them. Does anyone recall how much Gregiore lost in court cases when she was AG because her STAFF COULDNT DO THEIR JOB? Put stupid people in charge you get stupid decisions, are the voters stupid too? Seems to lead me to that conclusion. Keep voting the Crumudgeons and keep getting more of the same.

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freedomfrank said on August 6, 2010 at 8:04 AM

No,,, you can have your lobotomy in private if you wish.

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yessir said on August 6, 2010 at 7:58 AM

freedomfrank... advocating public labotomies? How Taliban of you. Fortunately.... those are already privatized. Nah... I think government actually does some things quite well. They sure shouldn't be in charge of everything.... but Blackwater has shown us what happens when you start "privatizing" things like the military. Check out the folly of the privatized fire department Scottsdale Arizona had (pssst... they eventually dumped that total failure and went back to a government run fire department). BP Oil, Haliburton, Goldman Sachs... yeah frank... it's all better in the hands of the privates isn't it ; )

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ms25947679292621 said on August 6, 2010 at 7:58 AM

QUEEN hammond points to the boats she got rid of ,as her doing something about safety ask her how much she spent on them before her decision was made ,one was almost completely renewed with steel & running great ,then she junks them all for pennies ,how meany more years can we afford her?

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dorimonsonfan said on August 6, 2010 at 7:43 AM

privatize the ferries. make them efficient and make the fancy island dwellers pay what it actually costs for each trip.

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freedomfrank said on August 6, 2010 at 7:26 AM

yessir,,, how much do you suppose a home computer would cost if the government was the only company making them? How about cheeseburgers. EVERYTHING the government is involved in is a mess. Rampant fraud, waste and abuse brought to light on a daily basis. When is enough going to be enough? The sheeple won't vote out the tards in charge and we now spend almost 40% of work day for the government. Maybe you want to live working for the government but the rest of us don't. That's not what this country was formed to do. Government is way too big as it is,, anyone that thinks the government is doing a good job needs a lobotomy.

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yessir said on August 6, 2010 at 7:17 AM

baz... it's possible the generators could actually power the toilets

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yessir said on August 6, 2010 at 7:12 AM

yes.... let us privatize the ferry system.... stop allowing the state to subsidize it.... and watch the ferry tolls go through the roof.... I've had it with all the anti-government complaints... let's privatize EVERYTHING... it'll take about 5 years before we are in total disaster and everyone realizes what utter folly privatization of everything was. Sure... massive pain... but these anti-gov morons will finally see how truly stupid they are. I'm game.

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bazwest said on August 6, 2010 at 7:08 AM

Maybe the guy that bought Seattle's $5 million worth of self cleaning toilets for $2500 each would be willing to buy these generators too.

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davesea said on August 6, 2010 at 6:47 AM

Prime example of what happens when you hire enviromentalist and soccer moms.

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retired51 said on August 6, 2010 at 6:43 AM

Given the generators can't be used on the ferry's can they be used elsewhere in the state, such as providing emergency backup power to hospitals, etc.?

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freedomfrank said on August 6, 2010 at 4:11 AM

PRIVATIZE NOW!!!!!!!!! What a bunch of dunderheads. KING5,,, Kudos to you and keep digging,,,

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paulharvey said on August 5, 2010 at 11:43 PM

You haven't seen anything yet. The whole idea behind this fiasco was to allow the ferries to run on fewer engines to save fuel .Well guess what the brakes are on a ferry. The engines! Take some of them offline and you have less stopping power in an emergency. What would you do if someone told you that you could save fuel in your car by applying some grease to your brake rotors? The idiotic schemes never end.

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clear2copy said on August 5, 2010 at 11:35 PM

WHEN are they going to start firing these clowns that are screwing the taxpayers over and over? From the grossly overpaid monkeys that stand on the deck and wave their arms as cars drive on the ferry, to the administration with it's culture of waste and cover-up. They have to GO.

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ledball00n389218 said on August 5, 2010 at 10:31 PM

rightwingliberal - Exactly what the rest of us were thinking!

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rightwingliberal said on August 5, 2010 at 10:21 PM

They should have stuck with the original with Allen-Bradley Retro Entabulator design. They would have saved millions in fuel from inverse reactive current for the unilateral phase detractors. Although the modal interaction of magneto reluctance and capacitive reactance can effect the torque and brake horsepower throughout the shafting and the reverse back down of the propulsion. Its the proverbial six in one hand and half a dozen in the other.

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blitzline said on August 5, 2010 at 10:13 PM

I am appauled by the complete lack of accountabiltiy in our state ferry system. It just goes to show how this wonderful state is ran from the top down!!!

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matthias said on August 5, 2010 at 10:09 PM

I made a similar mistake when I bought a 9 volt battery and thought it might work as a replacement for my car battery. Turns out I was wrong, so I returned the car. :( Seriously, how many times do they need to be told they messed up before they realize...they messed up. They waste more and more money trying to cover up the fact that they wasted money.

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ledball00n389218 said on August 5, 2010 at 9:58 PM

Oopsie!!

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teufel said on August 5, 2010 at 9:27 PM

Typical waste of tax payer money by the State of Washington.

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