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Investigators: Broke ferry system paying huge salaries to fortunate few

by SUSANNAH FRAME / KING 5 News

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Posted on May 4, 2010 at 10:50 PM

Nothing says Washington State quite like a majestic ferry crossing Puget Sound.

"It’s beautiful scenery and very relaxing and interesting,” said tourist Shirley Thomas. And nothing says mega money quite like the paychecks collected by some state employees working on those boats.

While the ferry system is going broke, somehow the state is finding plenty to go around for a group of ferry employees. Not the captains or mates you see on the deck, but people who work below deck in the engine room. They are the staff chief engineers who are in charge of the boat's engines and electrical systems. 

The KING 5 Investigators have found many of those staff chief engineers are boosting their pay year after year through massive amounts of overtime.   Public records obtained by KING 5 show some of the money is earned in triple time: $140 an hour - while their boats are out-of-service for repairs and maintenance.

KING 5 found 12 of the 21 staff chief engineers have collected that costly triple time in the last three years.

How'd that happen? They were called in off their vacations to go to the maintenance yard with their boats to make sure everything goes by the book.

But there's nothing in a union contract saying the staff chief engineer has to scrap vacation plans and come in on triple pay because of repairs or maintenance work. That's just the way it's always been done at the Washington State Ferries. Management has chosen this option despite the fact that each boat has a well-qualified alternate staff chief who could do the work for straight time.

One ferry rider questioned that decision.

"We're footing the bill for that? That's terrible. I think that's pretty bad."

Here's an example: The staff chief engineer of the ferry Puyallup - Mark Nitchman - put in for and received 60 hours of vacation in November 2008. At the same time, his boat was set for pre-scheduled maintenance for the entire month. And because staff chief engineers have always gone with their boat to dry dock, Nitchman was called off his vacation and made triple time for the inconvenience.

Washington State Ferries Director David Moseley, who has been on the job for two years, didn't know about the triple vacation pay until KING requested public records. Now he is planning to do something about it.

"We are looking for solutions; there is no question about that. There is no question that this has focused our attention on it," said Moseley.

The KING 5 Investigators' review of the records shows vacation triple time is just one way several engineers hit the paycheck jackpot year after year. In 2008, Mark Nitchman nearly doubled his base salary of $89,000 to $169,000. The extra money came mostly in the form of double time earned by coming in to work on his days off.

In 2007 the ferry Tacoma's staff chief engineer - Ben Davis - saw his pay skyrocket from $88,000 to $173,000 - again nearly double. It's hard to hear when many are seeing wage freezes, furloughs, and the unemployment line.

"We got a lot of taxpayers, roads, schools, police departments doing all these cut backs, it's just unbelievable," said a ferry passenger on a Bremerton run.

And the top engineer of the ferry Wenatchee – Doug Phillips - saw the top pay boost in the records KING obtained: from $90,000 in 2008 to $190,000 - more than doubling his salary, mostly with overtime.

Several sources within the ferry system tell us some engineers are allowed to work overtime whenever they feel like it. 

Reporter Susannah Frame said, “What they're telling us is that your staff chief engineers basically assign themselves their own OT. There's a blank check and they're filling it out, and when you look at the records it kind of looks like that."

"That's exactly why we need to have more structure around the overtime and that's exactly why that's such an important part of our negotiating process," said Moseley.

Who's allowing all those tax dollars to be spent on double and triple time?

Mike LaCroix is the Senior Port Engineer and the direct boss of all the staff chiefs. And his boss is  Paul Brodeur, Director of Vessel Maintenance for Washington State Ferries. Neither of them would talk to KING 5.

When Frame asked ferry Director Moseley if he thought Mike LaCroix and Paul Brodeur did a good job of managing overtime, he answered by saying he believes in his management team and that the practice has been around for years.

"This process had been going on a long time, Susannah, and it will take us awhile to turn this around. I have faith and confidence in Mike and Paul,” said Moseley.

Since KING 5 started asking questions, Mike LaCroix - the ferry engineers’ direct boss - resigned from his management position and will be working on a boat again.

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hourforum said on June 27, 2010 at 3:17 PM

It does not matter what is discovered in any of these kind of reports- or findings. I do think they are important yes and KING did a good job. The issue is O-L-Y-M-P-i_A. They do not care that our economy is in the shape it is in, if they did, they surely would find out about these things on their own. They would take serious action. Olympia the State's government is not intrested to make things right, and to hold anyone accountable. I think when elections roll in again- many of those people will be out of a job and maybe in a welfare line somewhere if, IF there are any

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paulsplace said on June 21, 2010 at 12:23 AM

What is the real problem? Why are they needing to work so much overtime? Maybe it is necessary. As far as income goes, aren't they just following the union rules in place. What..? Are you coming against the unions? Who's next? Are you going to go after the police officers who work many overtime hours? You don't like the money they are making either? Who's next? Salespeople? Who's next? An investigative reporter trying to advance her career?

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clint69975146227 said on May 13, 2010 at 11:46 AM

EXCUSE ME, BUT THIS IS NOT THE WORKERS FAULT. THIS IS MANAGEMENTS MESSUP. THE WORKERS ARE ONLY DOING WHAT THEY ARE TOLD, IF YOU, IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR ARE GOING TO GET CALLED FOR OVERTIME, YOU WOULD GO TOO. THE STATE HAS BARGAINED FOR OVERTIME.... THATS ALL I SHOULD HAVE TO SAY..... FOR DAVID MOSLEY TO SAY THAT HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS, IS LIKE PAULA HAMMOND SAYING THAT SHE DIDNT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS....LOL OH YA, SHE DID

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gotama said on May 12, 2010 at 10:59 PM

This isn't black gang you idiots

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greaseball said on May 9, 2010 at 7:54 PM

No reading on my watch. Company policy. SMS. BoHoHi. Blah,blah,Blah,blah,Blah,,,,,,,,,,,,zzzzzzzzzzzzz

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abaddon said on May 9, 2010 at 6:49 PM

Your newspaper's blocking the door.

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greaseball said on May 9, 2010 at 6:40 PM

That's the most sensible post you've made. Now get back in the dayroom and put your feet up and keep out of trouble. Don't worry. Your number will come up and then you can steal all the money the government can print. LOL!

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abaddon said on May 9, 2010 at 5:26 PM

So greaseball, while you actually knew (surprisingly) that the Andrew J. Balberi is inspected you seem unaware of the fact that it is technically exempt under the CFRs. Maybe I'll go back to cleaning airboxes when you return to cleaning the heads.

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abaddon said on May 9, 2010 at 5:17 PM

My mistake and you are correct about the COI. Although, under the CFRs the vessel is now exempt due to it no longer carrying passengers for hire. Since it carries passengers for free it was my expectation that it was exempt as per the CFRs. However, it was by mutual agreement between NYC DOT and the USCG via an MOU that it continue to be inspected and that its COI be renewed. Nevertheless, the vessel should technically be exempt, to wit: "On July 1, 1997, the NYC DOT eliminated the fares that it had been charging its passengers, to integrate the Staten Island Ferry into the New York City mass transit systems One City, One Fare program. As a result, a question arose whether the ferries would continue to be inspected by the Coast Guard. On May 19, 1998, the Coast Guard and the NYC DOT signed an MOU to maintain the Coast Guards inspection of the ferries, in light of their mutual interest and concern for the safe operation of the Staten Island Ferries."

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greaseball said on May 9, 2010 at 4:42 PM

''A dirty site glass?'' A dirty siteglass doesn't just happen. That takes weeks if not months. You've got 16 men on watch. Doesn't anybody make a round? Including yourself? Who was your designee? Oh yeah. Alan Arneson. And abaddon. The answer is 'no'. And I'm probably not qualified. Just like a half dozen other Staff Chiefs I've seen who were completely illiterate. Twice I've posted the link to the Certificate of Inspection for the NY Ferry that hit the dock. And twice my post was yanked. If you don't know the NY Ferries are inspected vessels then maybe you need to go back to ARCO and clean airboxes. Or put your name in the 'cesspool'. With the amount of vacuum you draw you'd make a pretty good Staff Chief.

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mcnitch said on May 9, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Another thought King 5, why don't come down to one our ships at night tie up and learn what we know and do for our ships. You could talk to our crews, crawl through the motors with us, inspect the hulls and talk to us about the differences between our job as we perform it and what your disgruntled sources think it is. Ambushing us from an unmarked van to get "guilty video" as we walk to our cars after a 12 hour night watch is not the way to engender trust or get the full story. The way you are treating us ensures you will only learn the complaints and never the complete story. A few years ago another disgruntled employee was feeding one sided information to a reporter with Bremerton Sun. She called Nitchman for a reaction. Instead he arranged for her to spend the night on the Kaleetan in Bremerton. The result was a fair and balanced story that gave the public an unbiased view of what we do for them.

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abaddon said on May 9, 2010 at 2:54 PM

greaseball blathers on: "You have no idea how many decades I've served as Chief Engineer on twenty ferryboats (relief?) therefore your posts lack merit." Time for a little soul search brother. Have you or have you NOT ever been in the so called cesspool? A simple yes or no will do fine. If yes then my observations are absolutely meritorious. If not, perhaps you don't qualify?

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mcnitch said on May 9, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Just saw the investigative reporter back off her claims about staff chiefs scheduling their vacations purposefully during shipyard periods. In the case of the Puyallup, the shipyard was moved by the Port Engineers into the Staff Chief Engineer's scheduled vacation. I would add this, a couple of years ago the same staff chief was called to court to represent WSF in a trial. This trial occurred at the very same time as his ship was due to be in Eagle Harbor for two weeks of shipyard maintenance. As the court could not be avoided and the shipyard period could not be rescheduled he dutifully went to court for the week. The shipyard supervision was left to "other qualified chiefs" making greasball very happy. Unfortunately there was a problem. The shipyard changed a $10,000 alternator bearing as I had directed before going to trial. When the time came to start the alternator the bearing failed. No one had put oil in it and the job had to be done again. dirty sightglass.

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greaseball said on May 9, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Jealousy/envy? abaddon? All of your post are 'without a mind'. To say 'mindless' would get my posts deleted. And this one my be also. You are a newbee. An oiler with a license, probably newly promoted to Assistant. Still got stars in your eyes. You have no idea how many decades I've served as Chief Engineer on twenty ferryboats therefore your posts lack merit. Mark Nitchman. You have yet to do me any injustice although I've seen plenty in my time. I'm not interested in watching your favorite TV show. Nor am I waiting for the State to investigate itself regarding your 'managed approach. I like that. More pretty words. So how 'bout telling the taxpayer how you became Staff Chief?

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abaddon said on May 9, 2010 at 2:10 PM

greaseball blathered: "Mark Nitchmans response as to how, with his vast qualifications and experience serving as Assistant Engineer and Chief Engineer he became Staff Chief on the newest, biggest, most expensive ferryboat in the states history located at his home port." They were chosen by height.

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mcnitch said on May 9, 2010 at 1:59 PM

grease, you are the only person reading this thread. Wait until the next story comes out and they post for their ratings sweeps again. Try Alan's show this evening and a new segment tomorrow using the 2002 events that became the Musselman/Marable lawsuits of lawyer Hart. There you will be able to rant and rave over the past injustice wrought upon you by Nitchman et al. Nobody will care what you say or think because it is all about ratings for King 5.

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abaddon said on May 9, 2010 at 1:57 PM

Your jealousy is delicious.

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greaseball said on May 9, 2010 at 8:10 AM

mcnitch wrote:''Was it preventable through the thoughtful anticipation of an experienced Staff Chief Engineer?'' Greaseball wrote:You just don't get it, do you Mark Nitchman.

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greaseball said on May 9, 2010 at 8:06 AM

I don't 'envy' any human. And you sound like someone who's name is in the 'cesspool'. A wunnabee Staff Chief waiting in line to be the next self pocket liner. True. If 'the media' were unbiased they might do an expose' of the lowest paid Staff Chiefs and find they might make less than you. I asked one 'why'. He said, ''so he can get up in the morning and still look at himself in the mirror''. We all signed the 'Code of Ethics'. Some of us are just more ethical than others. The taxpayers are still waiting for Mark Nitchmans response as to how, with his vast qualifications and experience serving as Assistant Engineer and Chief Engineer he became Staff Chief on the newest, biggest, most expensive ferryboat in the states history located at his home port. And don't try to throwing in red herrings about the Staten Island Ferries, no matter how 'interesting' you might find them.

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abaddon said on May 8, 2010 at 10:30 PM

"The laddie doth protest too much, methinks" Looks like a wee bit 'o' epaulet envy to me. How about a little "all for one and one for all?" Unity and Fraternity and all that jazz. Looks like Matthew 10:36 applies here in spades, "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." Maybe the seniority system of promotion that you are touting is archaic and outdated?

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greaseball said on May 8, 2010 at 8:16 PM

And speaking of an 'engineering success' could you tell us how a Staff Chief is selected at the WSF? I mean, you have an Assitant Engineer who works maybe five or ten years gaining experience on the propulsion system. Then through seniority is promoted to Chief Engineer and usually after some years may submit his name to the Staff Chiefs pool and selection commity for interviews to judge his capabilty. The Staff Chiefs selected usually have many years of experience serving as Chief Engineer on many vessels. Some not. Would you, Mark Nitchman please share with the taxpayers exactly how many years you served as an Assistant Engineer and Chief Engineer aboard a Washington State Ferry before you were selected to serve as Staff Chief aboard the newest ferry in the fleet located at your homeport. Often times Staff Chiefs are given a boat that is far from home. You are one lucky man, Mark Nitchman. And to make twice the wages of the other Chiefs. ''Yahoo!

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abaddon said on May 8, 2010 at 6:12 PM

Aren't Staten Island Ferries uninspected vessels? No COI and hence questionable manning practices. WSF's reliability record is the envy of the world. King 5 is hoping to change that. Think of the news stories that could be generated by some collision caused amputations and decapitations (like they had on the Staten Island Ferries in 2003 with 11 Dead). Thank you King 5 for putting your advertisers and ratings above the safety and welfare of Puget Sound residents.

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mcnitch said on May 8, 2010 at 5:52 PM

I think it will be interesting to study the latest Staten Island ferry casualty. Was there a mechanical failure, electronic, hydraulic or computer failure. Was it exacerbated by the engine crew's reaction. Was it preventable through the thoughtful anticipation of an experienced Staff Chief Engineer? (Staten Island has no Staff Chief Engineers and the organization has little regard for the input of their seniority based Chief Engineers). The previous Staten Island casualty (and deaths) were the product of human failure in their pilot houses and in management supervision. To correct their mistakes Staten Island subsequently adopted the WSF safety management system. I wonder if this casualty will result in them adopting our strategy of engineering success while the King 5 reporters in effect argue that WSF should be adopting the Staten Island engineering culture. Will the NY Times be complaining about engineer compensation or competence on Monday morning next week?

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jaimeretief said on May 7, 2010 at 5:34 PM

Poor Tom - always a bridesmaid

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mcnitch said on May 7, 2010 at 3:24 PM

Get a grip Tom.

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greaseball said on May 7, 2010 at 7:05 AM

mcnitch wrote: ''This is why every Staff Chief Engineer for the last 25 years recieves a letter from management before every shipyard period telling him that no relief personell will be dispatched to cover vacations in the shipyard. It is a no brainer.'' More BS, Mark Nitchman. You can twist the words all you like. The letter you refer to hadn't shown up until recently, if ever. Not 25 years. Designated relief crews are often if not always in the shipyards. If not then 'on calls' are to get the job done.You, who was hired in the mid to late '80s to fill a newly created office job nobody in the fleet wanted knows that. After all, you were 'groomed' by the then Port Engineer, Ben Davis. And when returning to the fleet four years ago you and Ben Davis 'appointed' yourselves Staff Chiefs and with your inside knowlege of how to jimmy the system proceeded to pay yourselves more than twice what the other Chief Engineers make.

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abaddon said on May 6, 2010 at 6:09 PM

You must have been desperate to ship out for 60K per year. I assume you were already collecting a pension WHILE shipping out for OS pay? What does that add up to?

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abaddon said on May 6, 2010 at 5:31 PM

Arcochief, you see where I'm going with this don't you? Several years ago the pay was 109K working what schedule? 90 days on/off? The people posting here don't get it. You made 109K working 6 months a year, right? Susannah Frame is playing to their envy. How many non-maritime people posting here make 109K working only 6 months out of the year? They are envious and angry. They don't like what it costs to ride a ferry so they want the crew to work for dirt. They would like 25¢ a gallon gas so maybe the guys shipping tankers should work for free. And so on and so on... I would say that if a garbage collector is worth 60-75K per year then a licensed chief is worth 300K. As for U.S. bottoms it is what it is.

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greaseball said on May 6, 2010 at 5:30 PM

mcnitch Wrote: ''he will take a pay cut?'' Since when? Mike LaCroix is an Assistant Engineer. Or was until recently. Now he's probably promoted to Chief.

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arcochief said on May 6, 2010 at 5:21 PM

I should add my last job ( 1999) 5 months out two trips overseas on a converted ARCO tanker to grain ship was 10k a month with 6 months UNPAID vacation. That equals 60k a year sallary for leaving home fo six months and the ferry boat guys get home how many nights a week? They are WAY overpaid especially for a diesel ship.

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arcochief said on May 6, 2010 at 4:56 PM

I retired early disabled, I was earning less than 6 figures and it went to 109K a year for 24/7 6 months vacation before ARCO sold off the ships . ARCO ships are gone along with Texaco and Exon Check with the ABS and see how many deep water US flag ships are left. Not sure where this OT thing comes from with the inland stuff. The CG required we document all OT and get 8 hrs sleep in 24 hrs with max. working time 12 hrs a day so even EVERYONE except Captain and Chief could get only 4hrs.

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abaddon said on May 6, 2010 at 4:43 PM

ARCOCHIEF, why don't you tell all of these low paid unskilled how much you make and apprise them of the going rate for Chief Engineers in the industry? I assume it's still around 12K per month isn't it? Maybe they would like to see YOUR salary dropped so they can pay less for that gasoline you've been shipping.

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greaseball said on May 6, 2010 at 4:39 PM

mcsnitch wrote: ''mcnitch said on May 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM Taxed: ferry engineers make their vacation schedules a year in advance using a lottery based on seniority. Once determined it does not change. The shipyard schedule changes several times each year. It is not controlled by the vessel crews. There is no way for any engineer to knowingly schedule his vacation on top of the ship's shipyard period. Can't happen BS! All you do is call dispatch and reschedule your vacation as shipyard time nears hoping you land right on 'the money'. If not, simply 'call' yourself in on your days off.

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pipedope said on May 6, 2010 at 4:15 PM

I'm a engineer at the ferries (not a chief/staff chief tho) and i totally agree with arcochief, the staff chief position should be salaried and not under a CBA, i'm sorry but they are management. Obviously there are some serious inefficiencies within WSF, labor and management, they need to be corrected, probably what annoys me the most is the fact that Brodeur/Lacroix would not comment, since they didn't its hard to call this a lopsided story.....

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arcochief said on May 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM

The solution is simple. Make them management like ARCO did to me, then they have to work 24/7. Also, the yearly wages is based on performance and not how log they worked for the state!!!!

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runner693 said on May 6, 2010 at 11:04 AM

Oh, yeah, Govt Motors. Check out the TV ads GM's CEO is running about paying off their debts early. They "paid off" less than 12% of the taxpayer money the Fed spent, by taking it out of one TARP pocket and putting it into another one. And they are bragging about it! Now, THERE is a scam that KING5 should look into. No? Probably not PC.

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runner693 said on May 6, 2010 at 10:42 AM

mcnitch, you can rationalize all you want. WHEREVER there is no profit motive, and the taxpayers foot the bill for all excesses, there will be abuse. Period. Well-run businesses plan for people to be on vacation, and will never think of "calling them back". Govt-run businesses don't give a hoot, because the foxes themselves are running the henhouse. And fatbassman, you can bet your fishing boots that KING5 or somebody should be reporting this. They are not "Pander(ing) to public sentiment".........they are making a product, in hopes of a profit. Something that is completely alien to state and fed workers, who, ultimately, produce NOTHING of real value, and only sponge off the taxpaying (productive) ecomomy. And, News Flash : there is going to lots more of this graft as the dumbocrats scheme to sieze more and more free enterprise for govt control. Govt Motors? Chrysler, AIG, health care, student loans? Fannie/Freddy? cap 'n tax? Stand by, you ain't seen nothin yet.

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newlogin86 said on May 6, 2010 at 10:11 AM

Pretty obvious Mark Nitchman knew his boat would dry dock, put in vacation, THEN waited to be called in. Clearly scamming the system.

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imawed said on May 6, 2010 at 9:58 AM

Say all you like mcnitch... the bottom line says it all! Brings to mind an old addage; "When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging." Scheduled vacations during vessel lay-up? Greed... "It's a no brainer."

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dede1978 said on May 6, 2010 at 9:52 AM

mcnitch, obviously you're an insider. But I agree with most of the posters. When I go on vacation, no one covers for me. Yeah, my job may not be as critical as say the Staff Chief. But should I "have" to come in during my vacation, I don't get "triple" time pay. What would happen is I'd get to take the vacation day some other time. And obviously, these "Staff Chiefs" don't make big vacation plans if they are available to come in during their vacations, and to quote from the above story, " But there's nothing in a union contract saying the staff chief engineer has to scrap vacation plans and come in on triple pay because of repairs or maintenance work." "Management has chosen this option despite the fact that each boat has a well-qualified alternate staff chief who could do the work for straight time." I say, this is a big rip off of tax payer dollars when there is a "well-qualified alternate" available, just because it's always been done this way, is not an excuse!!!

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mcnitch said on May 6, 2010 at 9:19 AM

The difference in cost between a 40 dollar per hour employee vacation in the shipyard on "triple time" and the total cost incurred by the state when he takes a vacation while the ship is in service is about 22 dollars. The reason is that there are no relief personnel costs (wage and benefits) in the shipyard. All other vacations taken anywhere else in the ferry system cost double time plus the weighted benefits of the second employee. This is the same for any organization where a person who takes vacation must be replaced by an equally qualified individual. The 22 dollars per hour additional cost is significantly less than the cumulative savings to the state of having all other vacations taken without dispatching a relief person. This is why every Staff Chief Engineer for the last 25 years recieves a letter from management before every shipyard period telling him that no relief personnel will be dispatched to cover vacations in the shipyard. It is a no brainer.

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andrachel said on May 6, 2010 at 9:07 AM

I'm so tired of everyone government related wasting our taxpayer dollars and every year being told we need higher taxes. If there weren't irresponsible spending like this bologna we wouldn't be so badly off right now. And really? It's going to take time to fix this problem? I don't see why it will take so long to fix this issue. It's called dealing with not getting the bonuses that double your salary. If you don't like it, leave.

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mcnitch said on May 6, 2010 at 8:27 AM

There is no relationship between the two events. Mike had been talking to the crews about leaving for as much as a year. I am not surprised at his decision, his is a thankless job that comes with a bullseye they pin to your back. The difference in compensation (he will take a cut to go back into the fleet) is not worth the stress and adverse impact on your life. WSF Port Engineers who come from the fleet always return to it after a few years of time in the office. The Port Engineers who come from "outside" and have no option of returning to the fleet, stay in management because they have no options. This is unfortunate, the guys from the inside have the most knowledge of how the system works and how it could be improved.

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kbbcoop said on May 6, 2010 at 8:06 AM

"Since KING 5 started asking questions, Mike LaCroix - the ferry engineers’ direct boss - resigned from his management position and will be working on a boat again." Well Duh. Why wouldnt he, at $140 an hour?

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mcnitch said on May 6, 2010 at 7:52 AM

Sunlover how did Mark Nitchman and Ben Davis hire the Senior Port Engineer? Both individuals work on ships and have no hiring authority for any position. It does not sound like you know that Mr. Lacroix's Senior Port Engineer position did not even exist when Nitchman returned to the fleet in 2004? Dakota, the ships get painted every 7 to 10 years. This is the longest maintenance period that recurrs on a periodic basis but there are several additional maintenance activites the ships must be given. The Coast Guard requires drydocking 2 times every 5 years. The ships go to Eagle Harbor every year for about two weeks and then there are other types of preservation jobs that can last a couple of months every few years. The Staff Chief helps to ensure these all go smoothly and there are no technical problems after the ship leaves.

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sunlover said on May 5, 2010 at 11:07 PM

What hasn't been reported is that Mark Nitchman and Ben Davis were the Senior Port Engineers who kept this going and ensured it kept going when they returned to the fleet so they could benefit. They hired the current Senior Port Engineer who would not speak to the reporter, Susannah Frame. David Mosely's wife and our Queen the Governor are friends. Wonder why he was hired to say for the last two years, "I didn't know that was happening, but I will look into it". Their Director of Operations has known all along but I guess if not asked won't share. It is true, this has been happening for decades with millions of tax payer dollars going to their 2nd homes, RV's, cruise trips, time shares in Hawaii, large yachts, waterfront homes, antizue vehicles, lots of it dumped into their deferred compensation plans and of course their retirement checks real soon. Way too much money in the hands of selfsih babes who have never cared what the public taxpayer thinks.

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dakotanative said on May 5, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Ok, so the ships go in for service every 7-10 years, but over half of the chiefs had triple time for while their boat was in the shipyard during the last 3 years. Are they coming if for their buddy's ship too? Doesn't take an engineer to see that no more than 1/3 of their boats should have been in for service.

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abaddon said on May 5, 2010 at 6:52 PM

You "road" the ferries for many years? That must have been a neat trick. The rest of us "rode" them instead. Is iliterati a word? It should be.

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weary said on May 5, 2010 at 6:42 PM

If I didn't hate unions after the garbage strike, I sure as heck hate them now. Nitchman is no less a crook than someone who steals your wallet. Planning his vacation at the same time his boat goes in for repairs....what a jerk. I road the ferry for many years and the cost is ridiculous...now I know why.

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mcnitch said on May 5, 2010 at 6:17 PM

The other savings associated with these 5 month long shipyard periods (occurring every 7 to 10 years) is that a good Staff Chief manages all of his major maintenance for three yeas so that it is performed concurrently with the paint job. While the shipyard is painting, we are overhaul'in inside. Working complimentry jobs simultaneously means that the ship does not have to go into our own maintenance facility at Eagle Harbor for a long time. In the Puyallup case, the ship avoided her annual two week lay-up in Eagle Harbor in 2007, 2008, 2009 and if need be we can avoid it in 2010 if there is a break down to another ship. So what is the Staff Chiefs incentive for doing this? Money? Absolutely not, this managed approach to maintenance reduces the total shipyard time by 6 to 8 weeks over four years. Susana would tell you that costs the Staff Chief money. I would tell you it is the best business practice possible under the situation we face, a shortage of large vessels.

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fatbassman295186 said on May 5, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Way to go King 5... Pander to public sentiment against good jobs and unions in the middle of a recession. Good job. Let's get on board with the destruction of the middle class, by striking a few nerves with people during tough times. Lets get the unskilled, uneducated, untrained masses all riled up against people that have worked hard, made good moves and joined successful labor unions. For God's sake... many of these "criminal" ferry workers are engineers. ENGINEERS! How many of you hard working, angry folks that have responded to this have engineering degrees? Many of you will no doubt argue that your strong disagreement is due to the fact the funds are public and the ferry system is struggling, and fares are going up... Blah, blah, blah... I call BS. How do I know? I'm quite certain most of the angry masses responding to this are likewise annoyed that garbage men working for Waste Management will now be making over 100K in some instances. You know I'm right. Stop hating.

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mcnitch said on May 5, 2010 at 5:33 PM

Actualy when crews take time off during a shipyard the state saves more than 50% of what it would spend if the vacations took place when the ships were in service. When the ship is in the shipyard no relief crew member is sent to replace the vacationing/sick crew person. When the ship is in service Coast Guard regulations require that the ship a is fully manned. Because of these savings to the state, WSF encourages most crews to take additional time off while the ship is out of service. In the case of the Puyallup, the crew took much more time off than originally scheduled. The SCE keeps the vessel project, crew work, Eagle Harbor work and vendor work on schedule while these additional days of vacation by the crew are taken. In my experience, the maintenance department always underspends it's allotted annual labor budget by a few percent by adjustments to crew size during the shipyard period. This type of shipyard project occurs once every 7 to 10 years.

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abaddon said on May 5, 2010 at 5:16 PM

This is all about the green monster. Sour grapes over picking the wrong career path. The jealous rants are hilarious.

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lyssasmom said on May 5, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Yet fares continue to increase, and we can't afford to keep the boats looking decent. Nice.

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clothyard said on May 5, 2010 at 2:49 PM

The State attorney general ought to be filing a lawsuit or even criminal charges against these folks for fraud and also against their two superiors, one of who just resigned so he could go back to being an engineer, probably planning on sucking up some of that non overtime, overtime. At the very least they should be sued by the state to recoup that cash.

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bekster4 said on May 5, 2010 at 2:49 PM

They should all be fired. AII OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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dakotanative said on May 5, 2010 at 2:38 PM

Something is broke. Over half of the chiefs are scheduling their vacation during this critical inspection. That is like the baseball announcer scheduling his vacation for early October, then asking for triple time if they make the playoffs. Well, bad example in Seattle I guess. There is an alternate position for a reason. If the guy breaks his leg and can't work, someone has to take his place. If these guys can show that they scheduled their vacation around a schedule that changed, then the head guy will not have to make any changes. If changes are made, then we will know the truth.

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mcnitch said on May 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM

Taxed: ferry engineers make their vacation schedules a year in advance using a lottery based on seniority. Once determined it does not change. The shipyard schedule changes several times each year. It is not controlled by the vessel crews. There is no way for any engineer to knowingly schedule his vacation on top of the ship's shipyard period. Can't happen.

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1beachperson said on May 5, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Just because "it's the way it's always been done" doesn't mean it's the best way to do things. The dinosaurs died by doing things "the way it was always done". The State of Washington has some of the worst oversight. Too many people in high offices supporting - financially - too many politicians so they won't have their practices closely examined.

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nwhominid said on May 5, 2010 at 12:59 PM

Nice of them to bonus themselves with the "call back" option, hope Christine plans on getting those WMS funds back...

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ccole said on May 5, 2010 at 12:45 PM

Great reporting. Let's expose this stuff!!!

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freedomfrank said on May 5, 2010 at 12:39 PM

tuomoks,,,, so the government is the only entity that can manage ferry boats? The government can't mail a letter and show a profit. Why is the government allowed to run these tax funded businesses into the ground then just take more of our time and money to pay for it? Enough is enough. and if you don't think these guys found every loop hole on the books to boost their pay I'll sell you that bridge.

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taxed said on May 5, 2010 at 12:35 PM

I have to wonder about the allegation that they setup their vacations on purpose. I wonder how King5 backs up those allegations? One thing for shure it sells news, and they collect on ads. Having worked as an engineer, though not on boats, it is inportant that we understand changes not only for operations but saftey. I would not fire up equitment without prior background on it. If they went in green then the easy answere would be fire them, they do'nt know there job. I can't help but think theres more here than just money. Never the less WSF should be watched and governed. I wonder where is the gov? I have to agree if we can save here lets do it.

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tuomoks said on May 5, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Hilarious answers, privatization - you rather pay some higher up (more!) than to the people working? You think that would bring the cost down - go learn real world. No - nothing wrong in privatization, actually then you can be fired / let go for whatever reason and we can hire some alien or maybe just hire some temporary worker in your place? Save money - to whom? The ticket / whatever price wont go down, of course. Get real! Besides, stop being a push over - you think that anyone in management, private or public, would change their vacation plans without compensation - think they would tell the family to take a hike and come back to the work or move the vacation not matching the rest of the family? Seriously - if you really believe that I have a bridge to sell!

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gofigureit said on May 5, 2010 at 10:41 AM

Mike LaCroix - the ferry engineers’ direct boss - resigned from his management position and will be working on a boat again. (where he will triple his salary at taxpayers expense)

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lou15 said on May 5, 2010 at 10:36 AM

What you failed to include in your report, Susannah, is that fleet employees are required to submit their vacation requests to dispatch at the end of the prior year. So, any vacation scheduled for 2008, for example, would have been submitted at the end of 2007. Given the U.S. Coast Guard regulations for crewing, the complexity of the sailing schedules, and the scheduling of regular vessel maintenance and preservation projects, the engineers’ vacation schedules are locked in once submitted. Vessel shipyard periods are also scheduled well in advance, but the Port Engineer’s Office often has to adjust shipyard periods for a number of vessels to accommodate unscheduled repairs on a vessel that has suffered a casualty. So, while a Staff Chief does not purposefully schedule a vacation during a shipyard period, the reality is that they may end up overlapping. Staff Chiefs are held accountable for the condition of their vessel, so they need to be on site to manage major rennovation work.

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runner693 said on May 5, 2010 at 10:33 AM

Mcnitch, did you compile and post all those 'data' and 'facts' while you are 'working' on a ferry? Or, are you on "vacation"? Or, both?

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runner693 said on May 5, 2010 at 10:18 AM

As Vanceox and Scott_Bellevue say, the answer is privatization. No govt can run a business efficiently. We already have a state auditor, it took 20 years for the legislature to even allow that office to dig, and now their audits are ignored. Sell the ferry system to the 2-3 highest qualified bidders, use the income to one-time balance the state budget, and let the new owners compete against each other and make a profit. The same CG vessel safety regs would still apply. Ferry riders would pay less, and the ferries would be more reliable. When there is no motive for excellence, there will be no incentive to improve, and corruption will thrive. Yes there is occasional corruption in private industry (and accidents, too), but it is not allowed to go on for years like this outfit. p.s. Then, do the same with liquor sales, L&I, WISHA/OSHA, DOE/EPA, and a few other boondoggle agencies that WA state has "invested" in. .

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randyweis said on May 5, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Hey, Love it how Dave, the leadership over this operation is on top of this. Thanks King5 for making him aware of whats underway on his watch. I think that Christy will propose an air tax for all residents in the state so that we can continue to fund this money losing venture. Wish I rec'd triple time in pay when my vacation plans were modified by my employer. Talk about an outdated business model.

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mcnitch said on May 5, 2010 at 9:58 AM

The Puyallup made 45,750 trips in the last 5 years. It missed only 2 trips due to mechanical problems. Is this the a product of the diligence of her crew, union waste, the Republican-tea party, private industry? The Puyallup carries more vehicles every year than any other ship in the world, how is this possible? WSF reduces the number of manhours available for maintenance on every ship that goes to the shipyard, often by 60%. This saves labor costs and reduces maintenance. Who makes this system function? How does the Alternate take over for the SCE when the crew is already shorthanded? What are the three most reliable ships in WSF history? (pst Puyallup, Tacoma, Wenatchee). Two ships have four man engine room crews, one has the most experienced four man engine room crew in the entire US Navy, the other is any engine room crew on the Puyallup, Tacoma or Wenatchee. Which has the most experienced crews in years of experience operating power plants?

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prestolog said on May 5, 2010 at 9:50 AM

Privatizing the ferries is not a "fix all" solution. There is plenty of corruption in private enterprize. The solution for this particular anomaly lies in the integrity and ethical character of the individual employee. There are a lot of staff chiefs that are hard, diligent, and ethical workers that do not purposely pre-schedule their vacation times to "coincidentally" coincide with their vessels maintenance schedules.

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dakotanative said on May 5, 2010 at 9:34 AM

Wasn't there a story recently about ferry captains that were paid travel to go to their job every day? Captains were traveling from the islands to work in Tacoma while others were being paid to travel from Tacoma to work in the islands. Plus they weren't even traveling daily. It is true that we can't balance the budget without tax hikes, but not because of lack of funds. It is because too many people are protecting their own intrests. We have guys that come up with a joint base plan that will save a couple hundred thousand over 10 years. Then their consulting firm comes in and earns several million to bring the facilities up to joint base standards. We have government officials deciding to spend hundreds of millions to bring a half dozen airplanes to their home district when there is a base a couple hours away that handles the mission just fine. We have guys like the head of the ferries that don't clean house because their own spending report may be brought to light.

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abaddon said on May 5, 2010 at 9:17 AM

"Why don't we privatize these ferries. Surely a company that had to show a profit or break even would find these kinds of accounting nightmares much sooner." Good point. The Coho's in the black and they pay their chief engineers more than the Washington State Ferries. Susannah likes to toss around everyone's base pay. How many people in private industry, non-salaried that is, make only their base pay? How many licensed engineers do you think you'll get for the base pay? Do you have any idea how much licensed engineers are making in private industry? What quality of engineer will you have left? You seem to forget that the Exxon Valdez and its crew were employed by private industry. That vessel's crew was paid top dollar. Didn't keep it from fetching up on a rock. Ditto that lame tow boat outfit a few months ago. While we're at it, let's put a toll on all bridges and freeways and privatize them too. Works back East. Maybe then we could get a few of our lousy roads fixed.

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wawolf said on May 5, 2010 at 9:16 AM

More proof that an audit of our state government agencies by a 3rd party is needed. I bet we could eliminate a good chunk of the deficit by trimming fat like this. Especially since this is the 2nd exposure of fleecing by ferry workers in as many months. Chrissy: Stop wasting time taxing bottled water and candy. Set up an audit with a non-government accounting agency.

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slidddllllllll said on May 5, 2010 at 9:12 AM

As a current ferry commuter, I am absolutely appalled by what I read in this report. The prices keep going up, the service is "unreliable" at best and the boats are consistently late! I seriously would like to see change in this whole state, starting with Gregoire!!!! When are the people of WA state going to get off their asses and do something? Here we sit, all typing away.......

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turbo69 said on May 5, 2010 at 8:52 AM

On the greedy feery pay these guys arent done yet when they retire some will get 60% of there highest two years & some could get 100%.most employees are hard working employees who work on the boats because they love the water & the work these guys are the greedy ones & its about time someone listened

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scott_bellevue said on May 5, 2010 at 8:36 AM

Why don't we privatize these ferries. Surely a company that had to show a profit or break even would find these kinds of accounting nightmares much sooner. It's obvious that the Washington Ferries need a lot of financial overhaul.

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freedomfrank said on May 5, 2010 at 8:08 AM

From the ferry director "WSF Employee Travel Time and Mileage This week, KING 5 aired a story on WSF employees who receive travel time and mileage for special projects. Special projects are assignments critical to WSF operations, such as meeting safety and training requirements or addressing specialized equipment needs. While I stand behind the critical work and expertise of these employees, we need to revisit how WSF reimburses for travel time and mileage. In my first two years at WSF, I focused on cutting significant costs on the administrative side; now I plan to focus my efforts on reducing costs more broadly throughout the agency. I will be taking a close look at how WSF management assigns special projects and I will also be working with our bargaining units on ways to decrease costs for such expenses." Guess he aint got around to his employees stealing tax dollars yet.

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thecrankster said on May 5, 2010 at 7:54 AM

We have got to raise taxes, we can not cut services anymore then we already have, we have no choice, the citizens just don't want the kind of draconian cuts that would be required to balance the budget. Christine Gregoire

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glock2117 said on May 5, 2010 at 7:44 AM

if king 5 would dig deep into all government operations in this state it will be the same every time. this does not surprise me, it was just a month ago they were reporting on a different ferry system scam with employees being paid huge amounts to travel just because they chose not to live near where they worked

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freedomfrank said on May 5, 2010 at 7:33 AM

Remember, the fat cat government workers doing this are stealing from you. Every time they raise taxes to fund these bloated agencies its stealing. Why do government workers feel like they deserve to live better than the rest of us?

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tugthug said on May 5, 2010 at 7:30 AM

How come David Moseley doesn't now jack about what's going on in the ferry system and it has to be discovered by King5 for him to act?

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carlconstantine said on May 5, 2010 at 7:20 AM

Good job King 5 News! Do I smell Edward R. Murrow award in the near future? Based on several recent stories that you have brought into public view, changes are being made... The Fleecing of America can't continue when search lights are fired up the way that your fine news reporters have been doing. Has anyone noticed how quickly policy changes are put into place when these type of stories are published?

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stryker said on May 5, 2010 at 7:16 AM

These are the guys to thank when you pay $50 to ride the Ferry to Friday Harbor.

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dakotanative said on May 5, 2010 at 7:03 AM

I sense some people that stand to lose alot in this forum. Someone sees the gravy train about to derail. Might be another agency in Frame's sights. I don't think it cost $300 thousand that was wasted on triple time to pull a couple records. Maybe Pierce Transit should be next. Running buses at 20% capacity is not smart.

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speedracer said on May 5, 2010 at 7:00 AM

Good!Now look into our Troll of a governer and her throwing away of our money...Oh yeah, slappywag.Read before writing.

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vanceox said on May 5, 2010 at 6:51 AM

Want to end the sky-rocketing costs? PRIVATIZE the ferry system!! Take away unnecessary regulations; allow competition for services. Private enterprise ALWAYS beats govt waste!!!!!!!

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kingster said on May 5, 2010 at 6:31 AM

We need an audit not only of the ferry system but the entire state government to find these things out and stop the flow of cash. I like taking the ferry to Kingston, but I can't afford the bus rides to get to the ferry in Edmonds. Snohomish county no longer accepts Metro transfers. That makes the trip outside my budget. For the amount of money paid these guys over the years, we could have built a brdige and eliminated the ferry. I do without a lot because my income is fixed and limited. I don't get overtime or holiday pay, and sure don't get double time or triple time. Maybe a fitting punishment would be that these guys pay back what they got paid above straight time. I hate doing without groceries because of this kind of stuff.

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freedomfrank said on May 5, 2010 at 5:45 AM

This message is for you fat union greedy ferry workers, Hope you enjoy the money you have stolen from the rest of us. No better than a street thug with a gun. No different than some toothless meth head. Guess the gravy train is coming to a stop. Thanks KING 5 and keep uncovering all this fraud waste and abuse. I really hope the public can someday finally have enough and demand people start losing jobs and are forced to pay this money back to me.

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copperheadcsa said on May 5, 2010 at 5:03 AM

Uh, Slappywag did you even read the article? "Management has chosen this option despite the fact that each boat has a well-qualified alternate staff chief who could do the work for straight time." As for the cost, we all pay for this waste even if we don't ride the ferries via our excise taxes. Simple concept you don't seem to grasp. How about turning the brain on before you start typing?

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slappywag said on May 5, 2010 at 12:18 AM

jppatches, you say wasteful... who else is going to fix these boats? I guarantee you if they had to bring in someone else, it would cost a lot more. Don't like how much the ferry system costs to use? Don't use it. Simple concept that most people cannot seem to grasp. And before you say "Well, a lot of people HAVE to..." I say baloney. Live on the other side of the water.

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abaddon said on May 4, 2010 at 11:49 PM

I'm going to file a PDR Susannah...I want to know what you're costing the taxpayers to have public employees scrambling to produce your work product. You don't investigate nada. Your ENTIRE work product, business practice, and investigation is being performed at the taxpayers expense while you prosecute your bogus witch hunt. The public disclosure laws were not drafted so that you could waste the taxpayers money on recreational and vexatious public disclosure practice.

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clear2copy said on May 4, 2010 at 11:48 PM

These clowns need to be forced to reimburse for unreasonable scamming of the system..

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dkjamerican said on May 4, 2010 at 11:28 PM

Are they Union?

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jppatches said on May 4, 2010 at 11:25 PM

wow sounds like the ferry system needs an audit. this is the second discovery of wasted money in 2 months. I bet they will find something else soon. GO King5 News!

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