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Food stamp program roars while fraud investigations whimper, data shows

by CHRIS INGALLS / KING 5 News

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Posted on March 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Updated Thursday, Mar 3 at 11:47 AM

SEATTLE -- After years of investigation, federal agents still haven't been able to stop wide-spread food stamp fraud in a Seattle business district. The KING 5 Investigators have uncovered information that may explain why.

Our analysis of government data shows that federal investigations into food stamp fraud have not kept pace with the explosive growth of the food stamp program.

Last month, KING 5 recorded illegal transactions outside a Seattle supermarket. People were handing cards over to one of several people working outside the store. They are part of a ring that pays 50 cents on the dollar for food stamps, which are distributed monthly on debit cards.

KING 5 recorded the video with help from a man we'll call Peter. He’s a food stamp recipient who says addicts especially are eager to trade food-only benefits for half their value in cash.

“(They are) buying crack, booze, prostitutes,” says Peter.

 That angers a woman who has watched, from afar, our series of stories on food stamp fraud.

"This is blatant abuse of the taxpayer money and, as a taxpayer, I'm angered," says Rep.  Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio.

Schmidt is the new chairwoman of the congressional subcommittee that oversees the food stamp program.

"I can't imagine that most members of my committee aren't going to be as disgusted with this as I am," she said.

She’s upset because federal agents supposedly cleaned up the fraud around 12th Avenue S.  and S. Jackson Street, on the edge of Seattle's International District, during a three year investigation.

Agents accused two businesses they raided in October of redeeming $5 million in illicit food stamps from the federal government. Yet, a few months later, a half a block away, we found the fraud even more out in the open than before.

 “It was frightening,” says Schmidt, when asked about her reaction to the feds inability to stop the fraud. “I looked at it and I said what should we be doing legislatively to stop that?”

Schmidt now plans to question officials at the United States Department of Agriculture, the department that her congressional subcommittee oversees. The USDA runs the massive food stamp program and its Office of Inspector General investigates potential food stamp fraud.

The food stamp program (now called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program or SNAP) started ballooning long before the economy crashed. It quadrupled in the past ten years and is expected to cost taxpayers $80 billion next year.

But the KING 5 Investigators found a surprising trend when looking at the data of USDA investigations of food stamp fraud. Nationwide, those investigations have declined since 2005. In Washington state, they fell sharply after 2005 and have risen only slightly since then.

We wanted to ask the USDA how it can manage a bigger program with fewer investigations, but the department refused multiple requests for an on-camera interview during our visit to Washington D.C. last month.

The USDA division that administers food stamps, the Food and Nutrition Services (FNS), was particularly tight-lipped. FNS spokesman Jack Currie refused to return phone calls from the KING 5 Investigators.

Food stamps used to be untraceable paper coupons that were easy to traffic and hard to monitor. The electronic cards, called Electronic Benefit Transfer or EBT cards, give USDA a powerful tool to monitor all food stamp transactions. They’ve allowed USDA agents to detect or deter untold millions in fraud.

 But criminals are catching on.

"I think there are people that are clearly figuring out new ways to traffic with the EBT system. We're seeing that," General Accountability Office program director Kay Brown said.

Her independent GAO auditors review the integrity of the food stamp program and report to Congress. She gives USDA high marks in some areas, but for years, GAO has been urging USDA investigators to do a better job of targeting problem stores, like those at 12th and Jackson in Seattle

That intersection has been the scene of many food stamps busts over the years, including a major sweep in 2000 in which several businesses were shut down in a widespread food stamp trafficking scheme. That bust happened in a parking lot right next to the one where we shot our video last month and right across the street from where federal agents were last October.

“When we did an analysis, we did find there were areas in larger cities that did have an accumulation of stores that were trafficking,” Brown said. “That's one of the things we hope they (the USDA) will pay more attention to as they improve their systems."

"How widespread is this? I really want to know,” says Rep. Schmidt. “Are you isolated in Seattle or have you cracked the tip of the iceberg? I would hope it's isolated, but my fear is you have cracked the tip of the iceberg."

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citydude said on March 31, 2011 at 11:21 PM

"...wide-spread food stamp fraud in a Seattle business district." Wide spread? you cite two stores and that is wide spread? I guess the writer thinks he or she is being clever by saying "Seattle business district". Or playing off of peoples fears. Eighty billion a year is nothing. We spend about 80 billion a month on defense, and it has far more fraud in it. This article clearly takes a few cases and makes a vast generalization. The writer tries to make it seem like fraud is the norm, not the exception. Nice try King 5. I am sure your spurious writing will fool some, but not me.

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spacedover said on March 4, 2011 at 9:23 AM

Save the Tax payers a large fortune and eliminate this bureaucracy and this hand out. Give us all a break in the" land of milk and honey" Control the corruption eliminate this hog trough approach to life.

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chuckstr76 said on March 4, 2011 at 7:37 AM

tomma206, go back to your comic books please.Your comments have no use here.

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onemoreopinion said on March 4, 2011 at 7:14 AM

The feds could do two things to help reduce fraud with the food assistance program. However, they will never do it. 1. Issue EBT cards with there name on it like a credit card as well as have there picture on them and there signature. 2. Only allow big chain stores like Fred Meyers, Albertsons, Safeway, Top Foods and Wal*Marts. My mom was on food assistance when I was a kid and then again when she was older. She lived in a small town and never learned to drive. She always managed to get to the big city to buy her groceries because she knew she got more bang for the buck at the big supermarkets. I wonder how many other big cities have most of there fraud occurring in the "international district". They are sending the money they make back to there country of origin.

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tomma206 said on March 4, 2011 at 3:06 AM

LOL. The only reason I step foot in these blogs is to laugh at you all that think you know who is doing what and where just because a few did so.LOFNL

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jenasal said on March 4, 2011 at 1:49 AM

There is something the state can do. Look at WIC program they have the food already typed out on a coupon, years ago welfare users were monitored to be on it you could not have a car or even a phone only nessecities, why not do that again do these people have no shame?????

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chevy98520 said on March 4, 2011 at 12:20 AM

Here is a couple of facts!!!!! FRAUD in this program has been happening for many years!!!! However, not all people abuse this program. Im not sure there is a answer to mend this issue.

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tammy0659 said on March 4, 2011 at 12:01 AM

If you really want to know how the food stamp program is being taken advantage of, go under cover as a checker. I work at Grocery Outlet. Every day people are buying groceries for someone else. The customer will either ask for items to be bag seperately or will have them rung up seperately and will use the same card for the order. I see people with mutiple cards. I see families with both adults have cards. A customer buying with foodstamps, all they need is the card and the pin number. The EBT program did not stop the misuse of the foodstamp program at all. You will see it at any store you go to!

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jester613 said on March 3, 2011 at 8:45 PM

@laughonk100 Perhaps if you can't support yourselves without assistance from the state then you shouldnt be bringing another life into the world. Furthermore if you are on state assistance and are slightly inconvienced by having to go into a legitimate store to purchase an item like milk that anyone else can get at a 7-11, SO WHAT. You are on state assistance and as such should have designated places to help prevent fraud and be thankful for the states help. I would think you would be willing to make the extra effort to prevent others from abusing the system so that in the future you wont lose it.

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rite2post said on March 3, 2011 at 8:42 PM

Here is a simple solution. Any business establishment is caught with this scheme, revoke that business right to accept the Quest card. And on top of that, add a hefty fine for the investigation fees. For those recipients that are caught, reduce the payout by half, since they once need half to survive.

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gritz said on March 3, 2011 at 8:32 PM

Logic14 - Wow! in one column you call most college athletes felons and here you question someone else Christan beliefs. You appear to be very opinionated and have no qualms about expressing your mean spirited rants. You must be very unhappy about your life. You whine all day on these blogs and then tell others not to do what you do every single day.Too bad your money is not tight now.

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tiffani74 said on March 3, 2011 at 8:21 PM

Logic~ a family of 4 does not get 1500 a month for food stamps even if they are homeless with no income at all, even if it is a single adult with 3 children. And you can't buy beer and cigarettes with an EBT card. So... not sure where you got your info but, it's incorrect.

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logic14 said on March 3, 2011 at 7:28 PM

mtwonder, I appreciate that out of you FIXED income you have the EXTRA cash for an internet connection and computer! Luxuries that you don't need! That tells me that even you are getting too much. I work full time and have cut off my internet several times when money was tight. Stop whining! PS wishing me to wind up under an overpass is not a very christian attitude. Maybe that is why God made you disabled.

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LanderExpress said on March 3, 2011 at 7:15 PM

The Bank that administers the Quest debit card program for the state needs to limit the allowable transactions to a certified list of state approved supermarket and food store Merchant ID numbers. In addition, they can easily prohibit the use of the card with any ATM machines for cash or from obtaining cash back from legitimate food debit card transactions....Go to the source of the problem to prevent fraud, not by trying to find every instance of it occurring after the fact.

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mtwander said on March 3, 2011 at 6:57 PM

I can't believe some of the people out there. NOT ALL Food Stamp people out there are crack heads or acoholics trading their allotment of food stamps for their addiction. I receive food stamps and would never survive without it. Especially since my disability has been frozen for going on three years now due to there being no cost of living recorded. Now I would like to know where government official lives for I believe all of us would agree, cost of living is sky rocketing. With my social security, WHICH I earned from working in the past. I would really challenge some of you snooty persons to live on $714 a month without the help of food stamps or the other programs to help. I cant figure out those that condemed ALL food stamp users to being lazy stupid crack heads with their greedy hands out. I am hoping that the rug gets pulled out from under you all and find yourselves just a few $ from the I-5 homeless camps. "But by the grace of God go you." From one who is extremely sick of you!

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logic14 said on March 3, 2011 at 6:42 PM

4grandma.....no they increase the amount they get so they won't commit crimes. A family of four at Safeway the other day spent $200 on food, beer, and cigarettes. They still had $1500 as a balance on the Qwest Card!!!! That is for a single month!

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4grandma said on March 3, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Are the food stamps taken away from those caught????? Or...given Seattle libs, probably just documented?

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logic14 said on March 3, 2011 at 6:01 PM

If they just excluded the Qwest Card recipients that have criminal records or new arrests since 2010 and that would solve a huge problem.

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logic14 said on March 3, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Just stop the program all together. The State can't afford the fraud nor feeding the lazy and inept. Shut off the Qwest card and we balance the budget drive the lazy to different state!!! A true win win!

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s10maniac said on March 3, 2011 at 4:07 PM

I agree with gretzfan. Administer drug tests to the recipiants. I know that would cost alot of money but I can't imagine how much it would save. I also believe many assistance programs punish you for trying to leave them. I was on unemployment for two months. I had a job where I worked once or twice a week while I was looking for something full time. The money I made at my part time job was taken out of my unemployment check so if I didn't work at all I still would have made the same money. Also because of this job I had to fill out way more paperwork and got questioned substantually. They reward you for having no job but pester you if you have something part time. I kept working part time because having a part time job really helps you get a full time job. It really made me hate the system.

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olyjim said on March 3, 2011 at 3:55 PM

I'm not going to say anything about the article other than the title... "Food stamp program roars while fraud investigations whimper, data shows. This is proof we need more money for education because data is plural (for the word datum), so it should say "data show" not "data shows"...Just saying there is too little education in the world today.

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clackamas1911 said on March 3, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Well, since the people won't play by the rules, if the program is eliminated, then the fraud will be. It is what is fair to the American Tax payer: eliminate a program you cannot possibly hope to remove the crime from.

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seekersusie said on March 3, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Further reply to laughonk100: limiting stores, (as you suggested), that can take the food stamps: in my mind, that would let the few people who've misused the program essentially have a say on how the rest if us, who need the food stamps close to their homes, access. Not all of us live close to Safeway, QFC, Central Markets etc. FYI: just because there was an investigation 3 years ago to attempt to stop the criminals from cashing in the foodstamps doesn't mean it won't keep happening. Our society is at war on many levels. Thank God we have an ACLU! There have always been people who think only of themselves and sometimes they get in situations affecting many. Desperation and small short sided ideas of intitlement..unreasonable expectations create chaos. Criminals are working overtime and they don't care if they exploit the most vulnerable. I remember when Food stamps were printed out in paper booklets...maybe returning to the basics wouldn't be step backwards, but a step forwar

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justmeme said on March 3, 2011 at 1:35 PM

bazwest...it is a limited time that people are allowed to get DSHS...I would think that the feds would of done a much better job then they did...while most of the state programs are being cut these low lifes are abusing the system...making the needed the honest ones pay...it is very very sad and selfish.

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bazwest said on March 3, 2011 at 12:49 PM

As long as welfare is more of a gravy train than it is a safety net it will be abused. The best fix? Restrict the length of time benefits are available, limit who qualifies for benefits, and limit how, where and on what the assistance is spent. Some people continually complain about the widening gap between the rich and the poor. Well, much of the blame lies on our own government institutions that make receiving welfare benefits too easy and then penalize people who sincerely try to move off the welfare roles and into permanent employment.

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paulvanhout92247 said on March 3, 2011 at 12:46 PM

You have to wonder what the impact of fraud is on our federal spending and deficit. Does it make more sense to implement controls and accountability measures than to merely nibble away at budgets? While I understand there are people who need some form of aid, if they are able why not require them to contribute through community service or similar programs. Learn some skills, payback those who have helped you and become a contributing member of the community.

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undrgrnd said on March 3, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Not fair! I had so much to say and all you great people said it all for me! I am glad I am not the only one with these feelings.

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gretzfan said on March 3, 2011 at 12:18 PM

The only requirement to get free government money and benefits is to not work. Want to increase the amount? Pump out kids. Want to show you are not lazy? Get benefits in several names. If accepting a job reduces what the state pays you, what’s the incentive? People that choose to work are drug tested during the application process. My company drug tests anyone involved in a work place accident. Why in god’s name are welfare recipients not drug tested? Test dirty one time and your benefits are done and done forever. Can you imagine the millions saved? I can't believe we pay drug addicted criminals to not work.

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footballmomk said on March 3, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Honestly, I have nothing but complaints about how our whole welfar system works. They hand out the money to people who are undeserving of the help its meant to be. Welfare was meant to help people get on their feet and learn to support themselves. Its now given to mostly lazy people who have no drive or desire to do more than get their monthly allowances from our tax paying pockets. I don't see why the EBT card isnt or shouldnt be treated like a credit card. There name should be on the card. It should be automatically funded the necessary amount every month. And they should be required to show proof of identification when making a purchase and sign for the purchase. That isnt to say people wont try to or even find a way around it, but it would make it a whole lot harder.

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laughonk100 said on March 3, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Wow this is ridiculous! How is it all the crack heads can qualify for EBT but a mother who has no money to feed her child and no work qualifies for $9.00 a month! This just makes me wanna go to the DSHS office and let them have it! And just a FYI not everyone who has EBT uses it for drugs and in some states it's legal for medical use. Not everyone buys junk food at a 711 they do carry milk and other food products and when your on the road traveling its nice to be able to make a stop and not have to run into a busy grocery store. And WIC thats a terrible program they don't even give you the right kind of baby food they expect you to feed your 1 year old first foods which if you have kids then you know its the runny baby food in a jar even though the baby food products do change as they grow, WIC doesn't give you coupons for the next stages you have to pay out of pocket for them. In other words its only good for the months of pregnancy and a couple after birth.

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chrahn said on March 3, 2011 at 11:49 AM

Like Representative Schmidt, R-Ohio, I am also angered by welfare fraud. I am also angered by Banks and Corporations be bailed out with Hundreds of Billions of working-class taxpayer money. Now Represenative Schmidt, R-Ohio and her cronies are stripping the working-class tax-payers of their Worker Rights.

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kanajune said on March 3, 2011 at 11:25 AM

"whimper" not "wimper" Sheesh.........

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minority said on March 3, 2011 at 11:10 AM

I hope I'm not offensive to any group of people. I'm willing to bet, the majority of welfare fraud in the food stamp program is done by drug users. I believe no responsible mother would choose not to purchase food for their children. Maybe part of the solution is drug testing. Long Drugs, sells them for Marijuana and Cocaine. (PARENTS)

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tiffani74 said on March 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Well, maybe EBT cards should be limited to certain stores... Safeway, Albertson's, Fred Meyer, Grocery Outlet, and in small towns have one designated store. WIC does this and it is working. That way it will be easier to monitor and big corporations won't do this. I have had to be on foodstamps before and there is no reason that a 7-11 or Chevron needs to accept foodstamps... the only food people buy in there is junk anyway. I don't have an answer for the cash assisance. That's a whole new story.

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banditrider said on March 3, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Billions in fraud! Think how much money we could save if there was a serious crackdown. Shut down the stores that participate and liquidate their assets to reimburse the gov't. This won't happen though, the ACLU will be up in arms.

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