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Businesses on camera trading cash for food stamps

by CHRIS INGALLS / KING 5 News

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Posted on October 5, 2010 at 10:00 PM

Updated Tuesday, Oct 5 at 11:45 PM

SEATTLE -- The businesses are paying 50 cents on the dollar, in violation of state and federal laws. The rip-off of the publicly supported program is drawing food stamp recipients from all over the region to Seattle’s International District, where this underground economy is flourishing.

How it Works

A man who we’ll call “Rob” explained to us that people ride into the International District on the main bus line through the intersection of 12th and Jackson in Seattle.

“They're coming from all over,” says Rob. “They're coming from Kent, from the Eastside, from Bellevue…"

Like Rob, they are carrying a Washington Quest card, which is the modern day version of food stamps. Our hidden camera follows Rob into the Hop Thanh Supermarket at 1043 South Jackson Street.

“You just walk in there and you say 'food stamps',” says Rob. “A lot of times, the people approach you.”

Sure enough, once inside the Hop Thanh, Rob is directed to the cashier who swipes his Quest card in the card reader next to her cash register. The store charges $50 to Rob’s food stamp card.

If you’re not looking closely, you won’t see what he gets in return. On his way out, a second woman at the front door is trying to shield a handful of cash from anyone who may be watching.

"She'll slip you the cash,” says Rob, after the woman discreetly placed the money in his hand.

Rob walks away with $25 cash.

Hop Thanh paid $25, but has $50 of Rob's food stamps to redeem through the federal government’s food program. The store has used tax dollars to double its money.

It's a profit-margin several businesses in 12th and Jackson area can’t resist.

Across the street from the Hop Thanh, Seattle Chinese Herb and Grocery only recently opened for business. But employees are already seasoned experts.

One woman behind the counter swipes Rob’s Quest card and another quickly moves in to hand off $25 in cash. The receipt they hand Rob clearly tells merchants in the food stamp program that they are not to be traded for cash or alcohol. That's exactly why addicts in particular will trade stamps for half their value in cash.

"A lady I know has three kids,” says Rob.“ She does this, spends her money on crack and feeds her kids out of the food bank."

Restaurants cannot accept food stamps, but that's not stopping one long-time eatery from cashing in.

“You approach their back door,” says Rob as he walks behind the Four Seas Restaurant. “You knock on the back door.”

It's literally a back-alley deal made with the man who answers the rear door at the Four Seas. There’s a house minimum for this deal -  $100 in food stamps. Rob is instructed to wait in the alley. A few minutes later there's another quick hand-off. The man Rob met moments earlier at the restaurant’s back door walks by without ever making eye contact and stuffs $50 into Rob’s hand.

Rob says he’s seen lines of food stamp recipients form at these businesses during the first few days of each month when state benefits are distributed.

We returned to the Hop Thanh, this time with our camera in full view. We asked the woman at the front door if she’s been paying cash for food stamps. “No, no, no,” says the woman, who identified herself as Ahn Nguyen. But our undercover video clearly shows her handing cash to Rob.

“Are you sure you’re telling me the truth?” asks the KING 5 reporter.

“I tell you the truth,” answers Nguyen. “I don’t buy nothing,” Nguyen says, claiming to be just a customer at the store.


But we found otherwise. Nguyen is known on the streets as “Momma." For days, we watched her work in front of the Hop Thanh Market with cash in hand. She was the one who paid Rob after a store clerk scanned her card.

The Arrests

Nguyen didn’t convince us – or the Feds – who on Tuesday put her in handcuffs and charged her with food stamp fraud.

Federal agents raided both the Hop Thanh and the Chinese Herb and Grocery which prosecutors say redeemed $2 million in food stamps in one year alone.

“Our agents have analyzed those reports and have determined that a vast majority of those likely were fraudulent,” said Assistant United States Attorney Kate Crisham.

What’s next?

Have the feds now stamped out food stamp trafficking in Seattle?

Maybe not. Blocks away from Tuesday’s raid, a line of men waits at the back of another business where we recorded more food stamp fraud this summer. And the man behind that scheme is still on the street.

Watch KING 5 News Wednesday at 10pm on KONG and 11pm on KING for our continuing investigation “Their Crime, Your Dime”. 

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causetheycan said on November 3, 2010 at 7:54 PM

Is this really any surprise that people are gonna abuse the system when they do not have to do anything for this. everything is just handed to them. they dont have to work or even volunteer or do something good for it. another scam that involves food stamps that you can watch out for is alot of people immigrating do this, especially the ones where the tradition of taking the husbands last name is not practiced. they come over here and the husband is working for microsoft and since the wifes last name is different she applies for WIC and food stamps and the husband is making six figures or more and is sending money back to theyre realatives or paying for a mansion back in india or wherever they come from. the plain fact of the matter is that if you dont have to do anything for this money that i and all the rest of you provide through taxes then the money is not real and that why it is all getting abused. PAY DAY without work = abuse of the system.

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dakotanative said on October 6, 2010 at 7:49 PM

2 million from businesses with a few hundred grand in sales per year and they say it didn't raise a flag the size of Rhode Island. When Mom and Pop's corner grocery triples most Safeways, a tiny indicator should pop up. Nothing that a single person with a copy of Windows Excel can't fix.

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westcoastpat said on October 6, 2010 at 7:04 PM

washingtonapple got it right. I am just waiting for the rest of the story when the state official comes on the news and explains how they are doing their best to stop the abuse and that they can not be blamed because they do not have enough resources to catch the merchants that turn in huge amounts of transactions out of little hole in the wall stores. BULL-They need to do the job of oversight or better still just fire a bunch of them in the top positions. "We are doing our best...scary but that is probably true.

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tacwilster said on October 6, 2010 at 2:34 PM

@justsaying73 why do you assume I am white??

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chuckstr76 said on October 6, 2010 at 2:30 PM

I wonder how much of this money went across the borders to someones family?

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joe1963 said on October 6, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Seize all their assets and throw them in prison, and seize their familys assets and deport them, because you know they all received the fruits of this evil.

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dakotanative said on October 6, 2010 at 1:34 PM

Incredible. People say to disperse the stamps in cash to avoid problems. That way all of the funds can go to drugs instead of only half. Must be the people getting the stamps that suggest that. There is no hope of fixing the walfare program. If we make the people that receive walfare work, the unions cry about losing work. If we require drug tests for those who get help, the civil liberties folks have a hissy fit. If we stop allowing 7-11 to accept food stamps, who will determine the qualifications to accept food stamps? Many areas like Tillicum have no Safeway. Now, that is not my fault that they live away from grocery stores, and if I had my way they would live in a large community where their rent is paid, they eat all food at lunchroom, have a local run daycare and receive nothing in aid. There would be no excuse for not having a job, inside or outside the community, and alot of the labor would come from within.

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washingtonapple said on October 6, 2010 at 12:55 PM

Most people will never do more than what it takes to live how they consider comfortable. Welfare recipients are often quite happy collecting the free money for many years, some the entire childhood years of their children. You might consider this lazy but government employees are just as lazy, they wont do any more than the minimum required to keep getting a paycheck. How else does a little rat hole store rack up 2 million in food stamp receipts before they are finally investigated? Why is it that after 1000 $50 charges (2 million is 40000 $50 charges!) it doesn't set off some alarm bells at social services? Its because they don't really care, it keeps the funds flowing and as long as the funds flow they keep getting a paycheck. These stores would probably never have been investigated if it wasn't for King5's interest. The problem isn't really welfare, its the lack of accountability everywhere in society.

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brentallica said on October 6, 2010 at 12:52 PM

Lets get rid of free handouts and this problem should take care of itself. Too lazy to earn a living.....life goes on without you. Sink or swim, losers. Your choice. Enough with the welfare for the lazy and weak.

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zaxxon7469 said on October 6, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Thats right bust them and take their recipts and make them pay back the money that they took. as a matter of fact, for all the other stores and casinos they should pay back all the money taken out of their cash machines, Let them prove that the money wasn't used for its intended pourpose. I am tired of paying for every dead beat that don't want to become productive citizens. Every person and municipality has to suck it in and drive on thru this economy, so I say stop pay the dead beats, and fine the business for the cost of mnies recived, time for the law enforcement with restitution.

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saywha said on October 6, 2010 at 11:58 AM

Looks like the undercover cop needs to do a few sit-ups.

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idealjulia said on October 6, 2010 at 11:30 AM

No matter what the vice is, criminals will always find a way to capitalize on things. The Feds just need to be smarter then they are and stop things before they go on for decades. It's real sad for the children who rely on the food that the card should be paying for. I don't see any good solution as long as there are crimials and people who don't care about their families. Sad all the way around. I cared for a foster child that has parents that did something simular to that. Their drug habit was stronger then their wanting to care for their children. Fortunately for the kids, CPS stepped in and took them all. Now the parents have no EBT at all becuase they have no dependents and one of them is on SSI which puts them over the limit with no dependents to get welfare. Oh, and they are still on drugs - I'm sure their SS check is taking care of that while they are homeless. Angers me to the core!

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olyboy said on October 6, 2010 at 11:07 AM

This clearly suggests that some of the issues related to the current budget issues facing government are a shame. How can the people receiving food stamps get by on half of what they are being given and the government argue that more needs to be spent?

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rebelron said on October 6, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Yes,I admit my guilt for I to had to use this fraudulent way of getting some cash a few years ago.When I seen how big this was,I knew to back off seeing that it was going to get busted sooner or later.And for the fact that the card holder trans-actions are recorded on a computer.EBT.JPMORGAN.COM.That's how the feds are going to catch the ones Who sold their food stamps to mammasen

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truthdector said on October 6, 2010 at 10:46 AM

This is nothing but a drop in the bucket, like the war on drugs, it's a lost cause with the open border policy.

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justsaying73 said on October 6, 2010 at 10:38 AM

tacwilster- "never could trust an oriental"?? For real? did you actually type those words?? What rock did you and yours climb out from under? Cause no "white people" are guilty of any kind of fraud, crime or manipulation of the system. And of course the "white people" didn't immigrate at any point. You know your history so well. Wow. Just...wow.

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chuckstr76 said on October 6, 2010 at 10:13 AM

Prosecute the business owners to the full extent of the law and make the recipients of the food stamps (EBT cards) “Work” for the state or county at minimum wage to pay for the “right” to receive that dollar amount on the cards. They also need to prove citizenship. No questions asked, period. Everyone can work, whether or not they want to is another matter. We need to get hard nosed about these programs, I am tired of supporting someone else.

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tacwilster said on October 6, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Hopefully the feds can shut down these business, throw them in jail for life. Never could trust an oriental, they come to this country take the oath to be a citizen and then rob from the taxpayers and laugh all the way to the bank. That is another good reason to stop immigration, put a five year moritorium on immigrants. That will give the feds five years to weed out the rubbish that we have let into our country. THis is a disgrace to all Americans. I am sure the Feds have known about it for a long time, what business does 2 million in foods stamps alone.

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cbrenton said on October 6, 2010 at 9:29 AM

prosecute both - cut off the ones who are trading in their food stamps for cash and arrest and deny the business owners who are involved

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truthdector said on October 6, 2010 at 9:05 AM

Yep they got the illegal aliens who kids get better dental care then mine, they get full coverage nice gold crowns and the royal treatment; money is no object...

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aleigha said on October 6, 2010 at 8:53 AM

big_don....you are a poor excuse for a human being. Don't have anything intelligent to ad to the conversation so just ridicule the poor, disabled and elderly. Which by the way, put PLENTY of their hard earned paychecks into the welfare system.

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underserf said on October 6, 2010 at 8:35 AM

Aw, but aren't immigrant businesses the example all the Reichwing holds up as how to work Hard & Be Successful In America? This is nothing, microscopic potatoes even. Wait till ppl start selling cheese door-to-door or dozens of vendors clog the offramps selling fruit. Food stamps bought the fruit they resell & WIC pays for the milk used to make the queso fresca. If you think THIS is bad, you ought to read the allegations against KBR and their ilk, ripping off taxpayers to the tune of BILLIONS - but THOSE corporations are owned and operated by white males, not likely to ever see appropriate penalties now that corporations have the 1st amendment rights of an individual

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washingtonapple said on October 6, 2010 at 8:20 AM

@1moreopinion: Excellent suggestion, big stores would never risk tarnishing their name or risking fines for buying food stamps. Little convenience stores (usually asian owned ones at that) are always willing to work around the law to make a buck. Its food stamps today but not so long ago they were the primary source for ephedrine tablets for the manufacture of methamphetamine. Many used to sell the tablets by the case. These little store owners don't care one bit for for the country they've moved to, only for the money that came be made here. Of course pointing this out is ridiculously racist I'm sure.

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pixelater said on October 6, 2010 at 7:00 AM

See jack troll, see jack run off at the mouth, don't be a jack, off.

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truthdector said on October 6, 2010 at 6:36 AM

The whole welfare system has been rife with fraud since even before Jimmy Carter, this is a big magnet for illegal aliens; American welfare system is quite a lucrative venture to live off of.

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1moreopinion said on October 6, 2010 at 6:26 AM

There is a very simple solution to this problem and I really wish the Federal Government would pay attention to this suggestion. Take away the vendor numbers for all mom and pop stores, 7-11's, Circle K's and only allow them at Albertson's, Fred Meyers, Safeway, Top Foods, Costco and other larger grocery stores. 1. You never hear about this type of scam from larger grocery stores. 2. The feds will have fewer vendors to oversee. 3. Consumers and tax payers get a bigger bang for there buck.

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freedomfrank said on October 6, 2010 at 5:41 AM

Every one of the "card holders" needs to be right next to these people in court. Its probably safe to assume the "card holders" in question are obtaining welfare illegally anyway so if we gotta pay for their existence let em exist in jail.

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cmeeverett said on October 6, 2010 at 3:14 AM

EXCELLENT VIDEO! its about time we see a small portion of the crime wave coming from within the asian community. They'll do anything to make a buck...

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big_don said on October 6, 2010 at 12:37 AM

Why not just terminate the whole program? The majority of the recipients are *obese* anyway, and don't really need more food...

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avianrescue said on October 6, 2010 at 12:21 AM

Not everyone abuses the system. Those that do need to be suspended from it permanently!! Period

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gladgal said on October 6, 2010 at 12:09 AM

If you take advantage of the system, you should be cut off. Are the card holders suffering any consequences? This is such a waste. I am so frustrated at the money that is being stolen from honest taxpayers.

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jackwong said on October 5, 2010 at 11:49 PM

This is clearly a racist action by the media to target minorities. To curb this problem, we need to disburse in cash.

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gladgal said on October 5, 2010 at 11:39 PM

I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, that you guys are doing these investigations!!! I work at a grocery store and EVERY single day I have people come in with their EBT cards and buy all kinds of Candy, Ice Cream, JUNK! Then they buy a TON of wine with their cash. Money that could be going to grocerys. I am just sick and tired of it. If the government is going to give you money for food, I feel there should be some boundries around what you can buy. Plus, it just kind of ticks me off that I have to save my money for life's expenses, while people who get food stamps run scams and buy unnecessary items. I want the people who need help to get it and those who are looking to be lazy and criminal to be CUT OFF!!! Thank you!

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smithrock said on October 5, 2010 at 11:09 PM

Nothing new. This has been going on since the early 1980s. There is a safeguard on this currently in Seattle. You can sell your food stamp card up to three times within a certain period and they recognize a pattern of fraud and cut you off. I have been approached by people wanting my food stamp card for 50% cash. Why do that when I can use them myself for 100 percent. However, people with drug problems that they cannot keep under control are idiots.

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tomahawk said on October 5, 2010 at 10:55 PM

it so sad for the tax payers, people who involved these fraud should lock behind bars

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