Print
Email
Share

If a transit bus runs a red light, who gets the ticket?

If a transit bus runs a red light, who gets the ticket?

Credit: KING

If a transit bus runs a red light, who gets the ticket?

by TRAVIS PITTMAN / KING 5 News

KING5.com

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 3:00 AM

Updated Tuesday, May 3 at 11:13 PM

It seems that a lot of red light runner offenders are city transit buses.  Many of these go through intersections with red light cameras and most assuredly generate photos and tickets. What happens to these?  Are the drivers cited or does the city charge itself for tickets?

Kurt

The driver of the bus gets the ticket and is responsible for it, according to the three major Puget Sound transit agencies. But they say it rarely ever happens.

"In cases of red light cameras, there is enough information recorded to identify who is behind the wheel when the bus runs the light," said Linda Thelke, spokesperson for Metro Transit, which handles bus operations in King County.

If it happens in Pierce County, the ticket goes to Pierce Transit, which then gives the ticket to the driver.

"We have a whole system in place related to safety, and that is just part of our policy," said Jessyn Farrell, Pierce Transit spokesperson.

All the bus agencies have their own internal processes for reviewing and disciplining their drivers. Multiple infractions can potentially lead to suspension or termination.

But the agencies say it just doesn't happen that much.

"I don't remember the last time we had coach operator stopped for running a red light, so that's how infrequently it happens," said Tom Pearce, spokesperson for Community Transit in Snohomish County.

Sound Transit is a collaboration of Metro, Pierce and Community transits. So depending on what county the infraction happens in, that particular agency's policies would come into play if it involved a Sound Transit bus.

"The answer you get for each of them (transit agencies) also applies for Sound Transit," said Geoff Patrick, Sound Transit spokesman.

If you have a question, send it to iwonder@king5.com.  Please include your first name and where you are writing from so we can post it with your question. We will not post your last name or any other personal information.

(And you can feel free to ask about something besides traffic.)

Print
Email
Share
 

To add a comment, please register or login.

1000 characters remaining

Submit

We welcome your comments on this story's topic. Off-topic comments, personal attacks, and inappropriate language may be flagged and removed, and comment privileges blocked, per our Terms of Service. Thanks for keeping the comments space respectful.

Privacy Policy

You have indicated this comment should be removed.

Close

The comment has been submitted for review. Thank you .

Comments: Displaying 1 - 15 of 16

Casey77 said on May 8, 2011 at 1:50 AM

cont from below..... A queue jump signal, like at 7th / Stewart is designed to allow buses to merge over or merge multiple lanes before the regular traffic gets the green light. There are at least 10 more of these bus lights I can think of around Seattle. These lights are awesome, considering most traffic doesn't help out the bus driver, when entering the roadway or a lane of travel, like the are legally obligated to do so. Why isn't that law being enforced? I hope some of you who posted these other comments read this. Most of you, who don't drive big vehicles, don't realize that by the time the light turns yellow, often we don't have the space to safely stop before the intersection, therefore going on yellow is sometimes safer and is still legal. And of course even entering on yellow means the rest of the 40-60 feet won't clear the intersection before it turns red, therefore making it look like we ran the light. Being realistic, I'm more worried about other motorist and taxis.

66671612
Flag this comment

Casey77 said on May 8, 2011 at 1:21 AM

I am a Metro driver, and I just have to laugh at some of these posts. First off.....yes these red light tickets do make it to the drivers and they do have to pay for them or contest them. I know of a couple of drivers that have gotten these tickets. Second......A vehicle doesn't run a red light unless it enters the intersection of red. If it was yellow and the front of the bus has entered the intersection, it's legal. Most of you people who complain about us drivers, don't realize that a bus takes longer to stop than a car. Often by the time the light turns yellow, we might not be able to safely stop before the stop bar or crosswalk. But as long as we enter on yellow, its legal. @ Shaniqua- You have my favorite comment. The intersection you speak of at Stewart and 7th has a "queue jump" for the bus lane. This is a signal for the buses, labeled "Bus Signal" which sometimes the regular traffic can't see, to avoid confusion. Continued.........

66671283
Flag this comment

billjerri said on May 4, 2011 at 1:18 PM

Try standing on the corner of 45th St. NE and 15th Ave. NE, by the UW campus. The bus drivers turning left from northbound 15th onto westbound 45th will purposefully pull out into traffic when their ligh turns yellow. I see them block the intersection all the time and have never seen one get a ticket. I'm with kong5, where do we send the videos?

66472416
Flag this comment

dakotanative said on May 4, 2011 at 12:14 PM

iamhim, yu are correct. If you are in the intersection (frontend across the white line) before the light changes, you should not get a ticket unless you actually stop in the intersection. Actually I think it is even a different ticket if you do stop.

66468347
Flag this comment

Shaniqua said on May 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM

In downtown Seattle there is a bus stop at Stewart Street right in front of the federal courthouse building in the far-right lane of the road. There is a stoplight right at the corner. Go there some time at around 8am each day and you will get to view a scenario where the westbound-eastbound 'WALK' sign turns green but the westbound traffic light remains red. When the westbound 'WALK' sign turns green, the westbound bus will run the red light, obsentisbly so the driver can move from the far-right lane to the far-left lane to to make the southbound turn to 5th Avenue. I see this so frequently I assumed 1) Metro drivers are encouraged, or at least allowed, to engage in this practice to change lanes efficiently. 2) They have some device that keeps the southbound stop light red while they 'run' the red light heading west. If they don't, then this is a dangerous practice.

66464462
Flag this comment

kooshtakooish said on May 4, 2011 at 10:17 AM

Bus drivers paying for red light tickets? Right...

66459912
Flag this comment

Gixxer said on May 4, 2011 at 9:14 AM

You mean they rarely get ticketed. I've seen buses run red lights multiple times. Choosing to try and beat the yellow light and losing.

66455339
Flag this comment

iamhim said on May 4, 2011 at 9:09 AM

I remember hearing at one point that you will only get a ticket from a red light camera if your vehicle is completely behind the white line when the light turns red, and then you proceed through the intersection. If that' really the case, that would explain why so many people are seeing buses (and the long dump trucks) "running" red lights: they're so long that their rear end is still in the intersection well after the light turns red, even though they were already well into the intersection before the light turns red.

66454962
Flag this comment

bazwest said on May 4, 2011 at 8:04 AM

I think it should be the passenger in the back seat.

66450197
Flag this comment

kong5 said on May 4, 2011 at 7:52 AM

If you watched the intersection of 3rd AVE and Seneca ST lights, you'll get an eye full of transit bus red light runners. Where do we send in the photos and videos as proof.

66449446
Flag this comment

scott_bellevue said on May 4, 2011 at 7:44 AM

must be a slow news day

66448902
Flag this comment

freedomfrank said on May 4, 2011 at 7:41 AM

Comeon,,,, city supervisors actually doing something?????? I'm pretty sure its against the union rules for them to actually make something better.

66448682
Flag this comment

tugthug said on May 4, 2011 at 7:19 AM

Maybe the supervisors should get off their a** and go out in the field and take a look so they will stop making stupid comments about their buses drivers that they don't have a clue about. Also they need to remove that stupid yellow yeild to buses sign on the back of the bus because that has also gone to their heads because they think that yellow sign gives them the right to cut you off and run red lights!

66446999
Flag this comment

dakotanative said on May 4, 2011 at 7:08 AM

The key words are "I don't remember the last time we had coach operator stopped for running a red light, so that's how infrequently it happens," said Tom Pearce, spokesperson for Community Transit in Snohomish County". Just because they run the lights doesn't mean that the police will stop them. And, the police have the choice of not forwarding a traffic camera ticket to them also. So, obviously the police look the other way if they are doing the crime daily but not getting the tickets. I see more of those stupid dump trucks with long hitch running lights than I do busses.

66446108
Flag this comment

omgrofl said on May 4, 2011 at 6:54 AM

DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT OFTEN?!?! What rock are YOU living under? I've personally had NUMEROUS close calls where the bus driver ran a red light. Just stand on any downtown street corner on any given day and you'll see it happen over and over again. It's become commonplace. GEEZ!! The question wouldn't have come up for no reason.

66445119
Flag this comment

LeftInKingCo said on May 4, 2011 at 6:37 AM

Doesn't happen much? Or just that they get away with it because they are transit? I see it all the time . . . .

66443723
Flag this comment