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Battle over swipe fees could cut your debit card power

by JESSE JONES / KING 5 News

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Posted on March 9, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Updated Wednesday, Mar 9 at 7:02 PM

Even $50 or $100 won't get you very far at Costco, or any other grocery store.

"Especially when you come to Costco, it's about a $300 at least," said Raven Morgan, who regularly uses her debit card there.

But that may change if a proposal by big banks becomes reality. They want to cap debit transactions to $50 or $100.

"I don't even know what you can buy anymore for $50 to 100, that's like five items from Costco," said Morgan.

It could send consumers straight back to checking, and remember banks are making free checking a lot more difficult.

"Do the banks really want to go back to paper checks?" said Jan Gee, who represents grocery stores in our state. She's not happy by the debit card limit idea or a possible fee tacked on to users accounts. She thinks it's a bluff.

"If your bank tries to pull that on you, pack that money up and go find another bank," she said.

So why are banks getting funky with the finance format? Here's the deal: banks charge merchants an average of 44 cents every time you swipe your debit card.

Banks make more than $20 billion annually from those fees, but the feds are taking a swipe of their own at the banks, cutting those fees to 12 cents for the major banks this summer. Now the big boys want to make that money back.

"It is a good thing for the consumers and it's a good thing for us. The banks don't like it and they're screaming," Gee said.

So what do the banks have to say about this? Some of them say the money they receive every time you swipe helps pay for processing, fraud investigation and security. If they charge merchants less, banks say they have to charge you more.

"Yes they're trying to be creative in how they boost their profits, but it's ridiculous," said one shopper who wasn't happy.

Banks are fighting this pretty hard. They're urging the fed to put the brakes on any changes to figure out the total impact.

We'll keep an eye on this and let you know how this turns out, and how it'll affect you.

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1beachperson said on March 30, 2011 at 2:37 PM

I use my credit union for everything! they don't care if I write a check, use my debit card, whatever. That's cause they are MEMBERSHIP OWNED. I AM A MEMBER - so I have a say in what is done by the credit union, and believe me, I pay attention!

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bigbz said on March 18, 2011 at 8:43 AM

Hope I'm understanding this right. If you run your debit card as credit youre not protected by the new overdraft fee laws. SO, once again your $4.00 cup of coffee could cost you an extra $35.00 in fees. Big Bank will get their money one way or another. Balance, balance, balance that checkbook ;)

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aziza said on March 17, 2011 at 5:31 PM

A four syllable word... Re-Gu-La-Tion.

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kingster said on March 17, 2011 at 3:23 PM

The customers and the businesses get hurt in this. If the banks want to make a profit, let them work for it. We had to work to get paid, so should they. The banks don't need to be coddled any more than they coddle us.

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commonsensewa said on March 16, 2011 at 9:06 PM

@scott_bellevue, this story has absolutely nothing to do with credit card purchases.

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commonsensewa said on March 16, 2011 at 9:04 PM

I bet the folks at BECU are dancing in the street.

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scott_bellevue said on March 13, 2011 at 9:30 AM

The bigger scan is credit card fees. The credit card companies charge the vendor a fee, and then if you leave the purchase on your card for even one month, they make interest. But what people don't realize is how much merchants are charged by the credit card companies and banks for debit fees. In my business we figure we pay 4.5% altogether, after all the fees are added up. The consumer never sees those fees, so the consumer thinks that those reward points are free, but they're not - the cost of your consumer goods does rise to pay for those fees. The credit card companies are making a killing, and we need to regulate banking fees in the same way we need to regulate health insurance and car insurance etc., because without regulation the "free" market will rape us in broad daylight, with no guilt and no remorse.

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invalid said on March 12, 2011 at 2:48 PM

It's the law of unintended consequences. This is the important part: "Banks make more than $20 billion annually from those fees, but the feds are taking a swipe of their own at the banks, cutting those fees to 12 cents for the major banks this summer." That big banking bill that passed a while back? That's what this is. You want government to "help" you? This is what you get. The next time goverment offers to "help" you, be wary of what you'll end up with. You might rather they stayed out of your life.

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kb1971 said on March 11, 2011 at 3:25 PM

I understand the fees(to a point) and can see why banks charge them, but we have all been encouraged to use our ATM cards and not use checks, because it was more expensive to process the checks than the card. Now they want to limit us to $50.00 per card transaction? How many places out there no longer accept checks? So pretty much what they are saying is that we should pay all in cash. What happens when you get stuck in traffic and can't get to the bank in time to get that cash? Will you be able to get your money from the ATM? or are they going to limit that too? Really this is just all those in charge worried about their million dollar bonuses going away. Good grief should they have to live like the rest of us and worry about budgets and when those budgets get blown out of the water because something goes wrong. Just my two cents.

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Ramoochel said on March 10, 2011 at 11:50 PM

@ Shimo...No I don't have the 'means'. In fact my husband just found job a few months ago after having lost his job 2 years prior. I make less than 30000 a year. So no, I don't have the means but I do have good sense. It cost the banks money to handle, secure and protect your money. I bet you the people behind the scenes don't just volunteer their time. Are banks perfect, no. I wonder if you've ever thought about how much more you've paid for the clothing you're wearing (mark up) or the gas you've put in your vehicle than you've paid for you bank account. I don't have a problem paying for a service and I don't have a problem with a business having the right to make money.

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jangee said on March 10, 2011 at 1:35 PM

BofA and MasterCharge collaborate to set swipe fees. They are the only businesses allowed to do this. There is no shopping for a better fee like you do a loaf of bread. In addition, they prohibit retailers from giving cash discounts if you don't use debit or from providing public notice of the cost of swipe fees. Every cash customer has to help pay for those extraordinary fees because of these prohibition. It is long past due that the Federal Reserve Board put the clamps on this practice. We consumers need to know what we are paying - no more hidden fees.

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klondiko said on March 10, 2011 at 1:13 PM

ATM's, online banking, etc were done for one reason. To eliminate employees. Having taken that to the extreme they are always looking for new ways to electronically pick our pockets. Sick of it? Don't turn your back on them or the fine print will eat you alive.

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tugthug said on March 10, 2011 at 11:49 AM

I thought ATM stood to all those bankers for "All That Money! "

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shimo said on March 10, 2011 at 11:21 AM

@Ramoochel, it must be nice having the financial means to, "don't understand," the economic enviroment we all living in these days. At lease I hope you have the financial means and not just nieve.

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hourforum said on March 10, 2011 at 11:05 AM

A couple years back, I closed out two visa credit accounts with B of A, and at the same time closed one Chase account and paid off one. The racket here is this, banks wanting you to have less chance to pay with debit cards- means in the near future, banks might charge you per check fee you write. So you might pay 50 cents or a dollar per check you write. Everyone or most will go to writing checks agian, yet at that rate the bank will make more money on the number of checks you write verses the 44 cents for a debit card. In no way do I support this. Banks should honor the card holder period. We trust a bank with our money and investments, but they do not trust us with Our own money? I think it is time to close checking accounts period. We can all show these banks who holds the purse strings

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scott_bellevue said on March 10, 2011 at 9:26 AM

I just started ditching my Chase accounts yesterday. Chase just started charging $15 per month, per checking account. Funny thing is, after they took over WAMU, they encouraged us to open more free checking accounts. We wanted several savings accounts for things like taxes and sales tax for our business, but they insisted that we could open as many free checking accounts as we wanted for this, and we could even do it online. Now all of a sudden, $15 per month each. We closed 4 accounts yesterday, one more to go. These large national banks are evil. Chase isn't the only one. We closed our Wells Fargo account two years ago after their fraud department cost us money by repeatedly sending our account information to a fraudulent email. None of the national banks are trustworthy. They take your money and have no consumer protection. They've even passed laws in their favor so you can't sue them. No more! BECU. Say no to Chase, Wells Fargo, B of A. Cash and carry. I for one am tired of them.

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Gixxer said on March 10, 2011 at 8:45 AM

Yeah it stands for Automatic Teller Machine. What's your point? I'm with the rest. As Charlie Sheen would say. BECU = WINNING. F'n losers and trolls bank elsewhere.

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chevelle70ss said on March 10, 2011 at 8:33 AM

my pet peeve "atm machine". Do you know what ATM stands for?

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slappywag said on March 10, 2011 at 8:27 AM

What I really love about BECU? The fact that I have never paid them a single penny for anything. In fact, they have paid ME lots of interest. That's even better than free.

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freedomfrank said on March 10, 2011 at 8:05 AM

For those of you who don't think this costs you money, guess who is paying the average 44 cents per swipe? Everyone who shops, its subsidized by everyone who shops there. They don't tack on the additional 44 cents on the receipt (although this is probably coming) But banks and stores are a business so they should be able to charge whatever we are willing to pay. The government needs to stay out of this. They don't regulate how much sports stars are paid so what gives them the right to tell banks what they can and can't charge?

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underserf said on March 10, 2011 at 6:07 AM

I suppose the COD types will be bragging about paying for healthcare with chickens next....

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yeoldehagge said on March 10, 2011 at 12:10 AM

This is why I LOVE BECU. No crazy fees, overdraft protection for no additional charge, I can deposit a check in the atm and up to $1000 is available for immediate withdrawl, they don't charge me to access my own money, I earn interest on my checking AND savings account!! Lately I have been trying to use cash more because I know banks charge a lot for swiping cards (it actually costs more if a retailer manually has to type the number in), especially small businesses. If me stopping and accessing an atm machine for cash now and then helps a small business I'm willing to do it. It also helps me keep better track of my money and I buy less impulse items. It's easier to swipe a card than give someone actual cash.

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Ramoochel said on March 9, 2011 at 11:11 PM

You know what I don't understand? Why everyone out there doesn't seem to realize that banks are businesses. No different than a grocery store, gas station or any other type of retailer. I didn't see such an uproar when they announced that orange juice was going to increase because of bad weather or that gas is now completely out of control. Stop complaining about how much money they choose to make; its their right to do so!

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emifredlund said on March 9, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Thank you Jesse!!!

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lynwoodfather said on March 9, 2011 at 9:26 PM

I like how when debit cards and ATMs came out the banks pushed them so hard. They were supposed to save the banks and the consumers money. Be "as easy as cash" and replace checks. Now they want to charge an arm and a leg for using these items that are supposed to be "as easy as cash" and "save everyone money". I agree that BECU rocks along with most other local credit unions.

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rnl52 said on March 9, 2011 at 8:52 PM

BECU is the best.

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slappywag said on March 9, 2011 at 8:24 PM

BECU = Winning.

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layindownthelaw3 said on March 9, 2011 at 8:23 PM

I guess I can actually use good old fashion CASH if I have to.

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emptynestr said on March 9, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Well, cold hard cash works for me. I don't do checks and I don't do debit cards either. So there. And if I have to pay my bills I use money orders. sure there is a fee for those but hey, no unsuspecting overdraft fees or other "whatever they feel like charging you for" fees. A credit card works for me for online shopping and I know ahead of time how much I am going to be billed. Have done this for years and it works great. I personally don't trust banks anyway. NOT NO HOW!

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lucyloo222 said on March 9, 2011 at 7:50 PM

I happen to have intimate knowledge of how banks process transactions, be they checks or debit cards. Believe me, it is WAY more expensive to process checks than it is to process debit transactions. The banks are trying an end-around to increase - or maintain - enormous profits. We must not allow this to happen.

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