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25 arrested at 'Occupy Seattle' protest

by KING 5 News

KING5.com

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Updated Wednesday, Oct 5 at 10:24 PM

SEATTLE - Protesters and Seattle police officers clashed at Westlake Park as officers tried to remove protesters at Occupy Seattle.   Police arrested 25 people as protesters ignored orders to pack up their tents and move out of the city park.  

Police officers on bicycles and in paddy wagons arrived around 1:20 p.m., telling protesters who camped out overnight to move their tents to allow park workers to clean the park. A few protesters at the scene were rolling up their tents while others still remained.

Around 2:45 p.m., things turned physical as police began using force to remove some protesters who were were intent on staying. At least two people have been arrested for refusing to leave and more arrests were expected.

Protesters were heard shouting "Cops, pigs, murderers" and "all day, all year we're not going anywhere."

On Tuesday, Mayor Mike McGinn said the hundreds of protestors participating in the rally were more than welcome, but their tents had to go. He gave them the end of day Tuesday to clear out, but by noon Wednesday many were still there.

The Occupy Seattle protest entered its fourth day and is an off-shoot of the “Occupy Wall Street” movement against corporate greed. The local protest started as a small group at the federal building on Saturday and has now grown to more than a hundred at Westlake Park.

Protesters have set up more than 50 tents in the south end of the city plaza. Many said if they are confronted by police officers Wednesday, they'll go quietly, but others are standing firm.

"If we have to be here without tents, we'll be here without tents," says Michael Hines, an out of work graphic designer who is taking part in the rally. "People are going to come back, people are going to continue to protest until the system changes in a dramatic way."

The Occupy Seattle group comprises mostly of twentysomethings who are standing up to corporate greed in America. But there is no leadership to the group and there seems to be some confusion about their message.

Protesters at Westlake Park spoke out about everything from the war in Afghanistan to the state of the environment to just the state of America in general. They also say they're supporting protestors on Wall Street, who are standing up for working class America.

"We're Seattle and we're showing that we have soldarity with what's going on over there," said Christina Purington, protester. "And we dont like what's going on with the bail out, or why the 99 percent of us are getting screwed over so bad."

Sixteen demonstrators were interviewed and released from police custody.  Those 16 cases will be forwarded to the city attorney's office where it is expected they'll be charged with obstructing a police officer.

KING 5's Jake Whittenberg, Linda Brill, Mimi Jung and Chris Daniels contributed to this report.

 

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nugbug said on October 10, 2011 at 9:22 PM

Michael_Davib2a-- And, of course, you didn't mention the political facts I got wrong, so everything I said must be wrong?-- or are you just shooting buckshot and hoping something hits?

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Michael_Davib2a said on October 7, 2011 at 6:05 PM

@nugbug, if you are going to cite political "facts", don't you think you should educate yourself a little more? I mean...you've been here for 60 years right?

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nyesucks said on October 6, 2011 at 8:12 PM

Power to the People, right on.

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nugbug said on October 6, 2011 at 12:23 PM

WhoMe-- I have been here for almost 60 years and realize those who are hard-core left and believe in "sharing the wealth" will never understand common sense and real fairness. All I can do is quote Thomas Jefferson: "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use and authority of reason as it is to administer medication to the dead." The American Dream is not found on the left..anywhere. The American Dream dies when left-wing beliefs and policies are implemented. Less taxes for everyone! We already have almost 50% of our population who don't pay any income taxes. The top 25% of all income earners already pay 86% of all Federal Income Tax and that isn't enough for you? Besides, it doesn't matter how much a person makes--it is their money, not yours, not the government.

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WhoMe said on October 6, 2011 at 9:18 AM

Where have you been the last 30 years. Reagan economics has destroyed the middle class not to mention the poor and the gap in wealth in this country is the largest in all the industrialized nations and it is exactly like it was in 1929 and we know what that lead to. Corporations aren't people and our democracy should not be put up for sale as the supreme court has done. They are protesting what they see as the end of the american dream and if you can't see that your either paid by righties to write opinions here or your just not informed. Yes there are a lot of issues being raised with good reason. And guys the tea party is paid for and run by rightwing think tanks and they were too blind to see it. The problem isn't the democrats it is the republicans and their fight for power. Less taxes for who nugbug, you are fighting for the 1% who probably pay you for wrting here. You have to understand the constitution to express patriotism & the tea party doesn't.

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deepsee said on October 6, 2011 at 8:40 AM

banditrider is right, unfortunatley....Some windows are going to get broken.

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deepsee said on October 6, 2011 at 8:31 AM

I am still confused about their cause...What do they hope to accomplish? What changes must be made in order for them to disperse? What are their demands? "We won't leave until we change America" is too generalized...

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nugbug said on October 6, 2011 at 7:37 AM

The hypocrisy is overwhelming (but not surprising). A ginned-up bunch of malcontents, people who have no idea what they are protesting, people who want to be aligned with the 1960's "glory days" of protests, who are causing havoc, violence, hate-speech--and the reaction of the mainstream media?--these morons are heroes and treated like gold! The Tea Party? A true grass-roots organization, made up of Americans who, for the most part, have never marched in any protests in their lives (they are the ones too busy going to work, paying their bills and don't have the time to sit around waiting to march on something!). People who want less taxes, smaller government, more accountability from their politicians and express nothing but patriotism. How are they characterized by the mainstream media? Racists, spewing hate speech, violent, anti-American.... Journalism truly is dead.

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dakotanative said on October 6, 2011 at 6:50 AM

What exactly are these things that big business force you to use? You don't need a cell phone. I understand the outrage about the bailouts. Granted it sucks that GM and Chrysler got attention when you didn't, but part of the complaint is unemployment, and how many hundreds thousand jobs would have gone away if GM and Chrysler went belly up? How many thousands of jobs would have gone away if the other bailouts were not offered? It looks like big business is getting the money, but the bottom line is that the jobs those companies provide were the object of the bailout.

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waynelwarren said on October 6, 2011 at 6:33 AM

Protesting is a sacred right in this country. Go for it. But being listened to or understood are not rights. The media has no obligation to cover this (except as news, they want to), and the rest of us (1%, really?) have no obligation to listen or agree. And, if we disagree, we have the very same rights to express those opinions as free speech or protest. My opinion is that regardless of the noble cause of these people, the end result of their actions will hurt more people than they will help. This is because of their misunderstanding of the issues and wild misrepresentations of facts and numbers by their "leadership."

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ksbuck said on October 6, 2011 at 5:15 AM

Isn't it ironic that the law breakers are protesting the ways of the dictator that they voted in office. What did they expect? 4,000,000 people went to the dictators swearing into office, and only 14 missed work.

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jgcimino said on October 5, 2011 at 10:49 PM

Redistributing the honey isn't enough. Pretending there were never any bees, that's the hard part.

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anaisninja said on October 5, 2011 at 10:36 PM

It's not just twentysomethings occupying Seattle. I was among several 40-somethings on Saturday, and I saw at least a handful of senior citizens. The 99% is all of us.

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theuglyvirgi223 said on October 5, 2011 at 10:31 PM

Wow, people act like they are so surprised that someone would protest and then use the corporations they are protesting! How many choices do they have when the corporations are all merging and making sure people have to use them. Sure there are people protesting that are then using the services. The protest to me is saying, the corporations have bought and paid for politicians and the media and people are sick of it. It's like why do people constantly shop at Walmart when it supports China and they are a communist country and it employs chinese not Americans when you shop there. Or are you going to say it employs Americans when those employees earn minimum wage and the majority of them are on on State/Federal subsidized health care/ What's worse is that Americans are so apathetic that they don't give a darn until it affects them and their family, bad enough that they feel it. Then they act all surprised that the companies would do it to them. It's called GREED.

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Paladin741776 said on October 5, 2011 at 10:25 PM

First off they are protesting the greed of big business and Wall Street among other things and what makes them morons, the fact that they are exercising their first amendment rights? Even IF they were protesting absolutely nothing, it is still their constitutional RIGHT to protest. I've seen their list of demands they hope to bring about with their protests and some of the demands are out of this world insane but some others make sense. Regardless, as I said before, it is their constitutional right to protest, no matter WHAT they are protesting.

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hippiescum said on October 5, 2011 at 9:55 PM

@dakotanative Dude, wake up - snap out of it. The jobs are not here because they have been offshored - because greedy business people would rather pay someone in Singapore 2 dollars a day rather than pay someone here even as little as 20 dollars a day. Then on top of that, NAFTA and all the other brilliant Clinton trade policies have made it impossible to compete with foreign goods even if you could get it together to make something here. You are dwelling in some Timmy and Lassie world of the fifties. This is big business on a scale that's almost unimaginable.

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hippiescum said on October 5, 2011 at 9:37 PM

Sure you aren't referring to the tea party gathering up the street?

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dakotanative said on October 5, 2011 at 9:34 PM

Look at the number of cell phones in the crowd. No big business there. Everyone in the crowd has contributed to their own unemployment. Use the kiosk at Jack in the Box? Use the atm at your credit union? Go to the self help checkout at home depot or safety? Pay your electric on-line instead of at the office? Use gps instead of buying dozens of maps that people could make? Buy a newer car and you are taking repair jobs from others. Clean your own house? Someone could be paid to clean it. A kid would love to deliver the paper you read on your big business phone.

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pete35 said on October 5, 2011 at 9:26 PM

These morons have no idea what the hell they are protesting. Did you listen to their responses, all over the fuc** map. They have no message. Just troublemakers trying to egg on the police. Nothing more.

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hippiescum said on October 5, 2011 at 9:10 PM

The young people that are the bulk of this protest are the ONLY good thing going on with this god forsaken country. The majority of the baby boomers destroyed this country by becoming the banksters and the Wall Street frauds and the corporate hacks. Boring puppets that went along with the system and sold out - the pathetic "silent majority" - the consumer culture. So now you get to sleep in the bed you made, and all you can do is criticize people that are smart enough to ask questions, and you don't have the stomach to own up to your own stupid choices over the last several decades.

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Paladin741776 said on October 5, 2011 at 8:54 PM

The police should not have tried "removing" the protesters, they should have simply tried removing the tents. Police around the country need to start respecting peoples rights. However the protesters here were also at fault for not removing their tents. This whole clash could have been avoided and the protesters could have been left alone assuming it stayed peaceful.

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dkjamerican said on October 5, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Why should protestors be allowed to camp where the homeless are banned"? Yes, there is no questons about the Rights to Protest & Freedom of Speech, however they required to follow the laws & regulations or face the consequences.

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hourforum said on October 5, 2011 at 7:44 PM

We should support each others rights- and the right to protest the right to free speach are hand in hand. We might not like what others do- but we can respect the differances. This group however are not being shut down or these rights above taken away. It is a matter of public safety. If they want to remain there- they need a good lawyer and sue the city of Seattle for rights to be there in tents if that is what they desire. I am sure they have paid taxes too...

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hippiescum said on October 5, 2011 at 7:40 PM

HA HA HA That's a knee slapper!!!!

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dakotanative said on October 5, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Saw a guy in New York on the news with a "boycott big banks" sign. He was at the BofA ATM.

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pikgitar72185148 said on October 5, 2011 at 7:31 PM

Nice tents. REI ???

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hippiescum said on October 5, 2011 at 7:30 PM

Blah Blah Blah Woof Woof Woof

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ddw3579 said on October 5, 2011 at 7:23 PM

These "protesters" are hypocrites. They are against "big business" and have no message at all. I wonder how many of them own an iPhone/iPad or other Apple product and have an account at a bank they protest against.

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coyotebmw said on October 5, 2011 at 7:07 PM

@jdjdjdj - Yes, "My generation" needs to share a great deal of the blame. I myself have always "walked to the beat of a different drummer". I raised my sons to understand respecting others, being responsible for your actions, and to follow Matthew 7:12. Both have become productive, responsible adults. I served my country, when it wasn't popular, and lost friends and family in that little country in Southeast Asia. I worked my own way through college and went on to earn a Master's degree, on my own, since my parents died early. I had my ups and my downs. But, through it all realized that "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" (TANSAAFL!) That I was responsible for my own actions and could not "blame" the government, the big corporations, or even my neighbor. It is from that view that I find these "twentysomething" kids so wrong.

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arcticfireguy said on October 5, 2011 at 6:22 PM

Wow... so the non-working non-tax paying class is protesting against ah'... whut'? Maybe I should protest having to support them. :)

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jdjdjdj said on October 5, 2011 at 6:09 PM

@coyotebmw- Who exactly do you think raised these "twentysomething kids?" You want to sit here and blame a generation and complain about them, but don't you think your generation had anything to do with it? My grandparents raised a family of six on pennies compared to what we have now. Then their kids wanted to raise their own offspring with more than what they had. You can't blame the younger generation when your generation was the one raising them, right?! While I do not agree with your gross generalization of who these protesters are, I DO wholeheartedly agree with your generalization of the younger kids now, who lack work ethics yet want everything without having to lift a finger. But, it's because their parents (your child maybe?) raised them with a gold spoon in their mouth.

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whatsyurbeef said on October 5, 2011 at 5:44 PM

This could become a movement on a scale not seen. People are feeling disenfranchised, hopeless angry. These are the seeds of revolution. People are looking for leadership, specifically a leader to believe in with real answers to real problems. History has a nasty habit of repeating itself if people don't learn from it. Remember Germany late 1920's. Think about it.

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dakotanative said on October 5, 2011 at 5:43 PM

@Redson, you are dead on. They want to protest big business, but they don't want to give up their big business conveniences. Most of them are probably being supported by their parents who work for big business. If you don't have a phone, your clothes were made by by the local small business tailor, your shoes came from the cobbler on the street corner and you don't have a schwin bike, then you are a credible protestor. If not, go home.

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coyotebmw said on October 5, 2011 at 5:36 PM

@dakotanative, I agree. Our society has become so consumer oriented that most do not know, or really want to live within their means. As a early boomer, I have watched our society grow, prosper and change. The ethics of the Greatest Generation, is gone. These twentysomething kid, have lost it.

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dakotanative said on October 5, 2011 at 5:30 PM

@Coyote, that is a very interesting tidbit. I have to agree that people are spoiled and have no idea how good it is. Ya, 9% are unemployed. That is a bummer. It is a direct result of greed. If an employer could keep employment costs lower, they could hire more people, charge less for services, get more business and hire more help. Then take housing. Instead of buying a modest home, people need a big spread that requires higher wages to pay the mortgage. Then you have all the idiots that think the country can run with no taxes. HOW? Someone needs to pay for streets, snowplows, cops (ya the cops are worthless until it is you being assulted). These big companies that make all of that money were started by some guy that rented out a cramped basement and ate anything he could scrape up so the business could struggle through hard times until it took off. The kind of stuff that none of the workers want to do until they have earned a decent living that does not include risk.

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Paladin741776 said on October 5, 2011 at 5:17 PM

While the constitution doesn't protect having tents on site it does protect peaceful protests. The cops have no right to make the protesters themselves leave: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.": 1st amendment of the US constitution.

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mookins said on October 5, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Nonviolent civil disobedience; I'm not seeing a 'clash' here. Fun headline though.

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jdjdjdj said on October 5, 2011 at 5:02 PM

I'm so sick of the generalizations regarding the people supporting this movement. Coyotebmw- you're right. Many haven't tasted true hardship. Why do you think they're protesting? Maybe so they don't have to? So their children don't have to? I'm a supporter. I'm 31 and a mother of one 2 year old. My husband works 70 hours a week for less than he was making on unemployment (which he was on for a year while looking for work after being laid off when our son was only 3 months old) just to make ends meet. We don't live beyond our means. We don't have the nicest, newest toys. Not one iPhone, smartphone, Macbook or vehicle under ten years old. I started working when I was 13 and where did it get me? Just broke. This is more than corporate greed. This is about the American people wanting their voices heard again. This is about my generation wanting to make this world better for our children. We may not know hardship yet, but I'm sure the next Depression isn't too far off.

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banditrider said on October 5, 2011 at 5:01 PM

This is no surprise in Seattle. They give crooks free reign and our cops are bad guys. I'm just waiting for the window smashing to start.

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coyotebmw said on October 5, 2011 at 4:44 PM

These "Occupy Seattle" "kids" are something aren't they? Most of them are "twentysomethings" who have never really known hardship. Unlike those members of our "Greatest Generation" who lived through the Depression, World War II, the Korean War, Vietnam War, the Hippy era, etc,, they have only known support and comfort in their life. They complain about "Corporate Greed", but many of them sound like they haven't really worked yet. I did a little math to put things in perspective. In 1930 the population of the US was 122,775,046 and two years latter 23.6% of those were unemployed. In 2010 the population was 308,745,538, an a year later the unemployment rate is 9.1%. But let's look at the actual numbers; in 1932 this meant 28,974,911 people were unemployed, and now we see 28,095,844 unemployed. Interesting? So what do they really want?

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redsonrising said on October 5, 2011 at 4:42 PM

your posts are lame and smell like your pachuli

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KING5Sukks said on October 5, 2011 at 4:24 PM

And for all you lost Teahadist whiners screaming about how hard you work and how there people don't...well...if we didn't protest our government, we'd still be living under British rule... Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

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KING5Sukks said on October 5, 2011 at 4:23 PM

The job of TV news is to get a videobyte, sensationalize it, and make it into something it is not. KING5 did a great job with this report...

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KING5Sukks said on October 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM

Turned "physical" - what does that imply? looked pretty peaceful to me. They were already told that they could be there from 4AM to 10PM - and now they moved in and started arresting people? C'mon!

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redsonrising said on October 5, 2011 at 4:19 PM

At least the protestors were all using their cell phones which are paid for with coverage plans which benefit who? Was that an REI tent? I saw some Starbucks cups too! Fight the power!

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denkoko said on October 5, 2011 at 3:43 PM

I am glad we have the right for PEACEFUL PROTESTS IN THE USA. BUT, we must keep it within the law, OR change the law.

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goamerica said on October 5, 2011 at 3:42 PM

This is what an Obama nation looks like.....everyone divided with no clear answer on how to fix it. He has done nothing for us but divide us all the way down to the local level. This is what happens when you put a guy in office that has NO leadership experience. Good job Obama lovers !!

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Brian_Ward5ff said on October 5, 2011 at 3:24 PM

So I literally just walked through the square and it's completely peaceful. You guys are using your megaphone to amplify the most minute details. There are no giant clashes or anything like that. Be real, you guys.

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koolaiddrinker said on October 5, 2011 at 3:20 PM

I work seventy hours a week, supporting these parasites. Get a frickin job, the working men and women are getting tired of supporting you. One of their demands is a working wage for doing nothing.

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RoninSlaughter said on October 5, 2011 at 3:04 PM

good job there Brian, now only if some one was actually listening to these posts, other than people who are posting.... any simularities between this and the westlake?

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jgcimino said on October 5, 2011 at 3:02 PM

I'm there right now. It's nothing like how this station is reporting things.

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Brian_Ward5ff said on October 5, 2011 at 2:59 PM

King 5, we meet again. By choosing to focus your coverage on tents, rather than the substance of the protest you have essentially painted a picture, for at least some of the people who are commenting, that these people are nothing more than lazy bums with nothing important or relavent to say. Stick to the substance of the protest: they are protesting because their concerns aren't being addressed and they feel they have no other recourse. To dismiss them as lazy bums is really quite incredible. The right to protest is the most sacred right we have next to the right to vote. It takes far more courage to stand up in protest than it does to keep your head down and do your job while you see your purchasing power continue to fade away in the glimmer of a once great society.

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waynelwarren said on October 5, 2011 at 2:56 PM

Tell the people who are "standing up for the working class in America" that I would prefer to do that myself, thanks anyway.

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Proudamerican said on October 5, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Where officer Birk He will remove those not wanting to leave and save the city money on court costs and jail space.

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redsonrising said on October 5, 2011 at 2:53 PM

If they take away the tents, this will be the first shower some of them have taken in weeks, months...maybe years?

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awol50 said on October 5, 2011 at 10:40 AM

Maybe if the spineless mayor and police chief actually would do something, we could respect them. Just call up waste management and just pack up their tents along with the belongings and haul it all to the county landfill.

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dkjamerican said on October 5, 2011 at 10:26 AM

tcassady, I was wondering how many of these protesters are living off of foodstamps & state aid. If they have time to protest I am sure there are farmers out there that could use help bringing in the crops.

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franky said on October 5, 2011 at 10:16 AM

It's tent city Westlake! I bet if you offered some of these folks a cool Benjamin or two they would move really fast.

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tcassady said on October 5, 2011 at 10:10 AM

Funny how some of the members of this group were actively accepting the free hand out that Target was giving. And at the same time protesting them.

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RoninSlaughter said on October 5, 2011 at 9:44 AM

it is foolish to think that the 1960's style of gaining attention will work, the times change, the government has changed, the people have changed, is it not time to change the way we protest, it seems to me that it hasn't worked for forty years, so why try to get it to work now. use your time wisely, go get a job, get some credibility of some sort, work in politics or education, or have some productive function in the country, something other than sitting on you backside crying.

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thisisfunny said on October 5, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Last night while waiting for the bus, I saw a young man pull up to a trash receptacle and urinate. There was a functional port potty 20 yards away. I asked the guy why would he do that and his reply was that "you don't know me". There was another young man asking me for money. The young man had tattoos covering his necks, hands and face. Yes, I know this type too.

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bigblue1518 said on October 5, 2011 at 9:13 AM

What a bunch of friggen idiots. Put that effort in getting jobs you system sapping bunch of freeloaders..........

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redsonrising said on October 5, 2011 at 12:13 AM

I am protesting dinner. I have Occupy:Toilet for 35 mins now while reading all these posts.

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hippiescum said on October 4, 2011 at 9:47 PM

No one is protesting people that use banks. They are protesting banking industry fraud itself.

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dakotanative said on October 4, 2011 at 9:42 PM

If the government says you have to purchase electricity, which they do, you have a right to protest the way the electric company is operated. If you have a choice to not buy stock, not use a bank, and not work for a company you don't like, you have no right to protest those that do choose to use them.

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hippiescum said on October 4, 2011 at 9:38 PM

If these thugs do appear, I think they will be roundly rejected by most everyone there. There is the chance that the police will send in instigators (and yes, they have done this many times in many places) to start riot type activity to put a bad name on the whole shebang. Look for this to happen.

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msbetty said on October 4, 2011 at 9:29 PM

I'm not being flip, so no need for the nasty reply. Believe it or not, there ARE people who contribute to comment threads wanting to have a civil conversation, share opinions and learn - I have no interest in getting into arguments or trading insults, so don't even start with me - I won't engage. The thugs who showed up to WTO and caused all the mayhem and destruction DID refer to themselves as anarchists. I didn't give them the title, they did. I don't care WHAT you call them -- there is always the chance they'll make an appearance, and that is a frightening thought.

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hippiescum said on October 4, 2011 at 9:09 PM

Please don't flippantly use the word anarchist as if you what it means. You probably don't. The people at WTO that you are referring to are not anarchists, but loser thugs.

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msbetty said on October 4, 2011 at 8:55 PM

Just crossing my fingers that the anarchists don't decide to show up and ruin any kind of message the protesters/occupiers hope to deliver. Have the protest organizers developed a contingency plan just in case they do decide to crash the event? Many of us remember WTO.

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Rhoda said on October 4, 2011 at 8:46 PM

An occupation needs tents, especially in Seattle's rainy weather. If the Police Chief and the Mayor truly do support and appreciate the people's right to protest, they would not be attempting to deny them the use of tents or threatening them with arrest for what I hear is just a ticketable offense. Job or no job, all races, religions, sexual orientations, genders, etc., this occupation is all-inclusive. The only positive way for the people's voice to be heard louder than the corporations, banks and ultra rich is through peaceful occupations such as this. The Police Chief & Mayor should be supporting the people's choice to exercise their constitutional rights in this manner. Everyone is invited to come engage in dialogue with any of the occupiers at Westlake Park. And yes, that includes those in the 1%.

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hippiescum said on October 4, 2011 at 8:24 PM

@msbetty Perhaps my sarcasm was a bit over the top for you. Personally, I have always worked and had a job of some sort. Yes, I pay my bills like a dutiful little American, but make no mistake about this. We are all slaves to something or other, and if you can't own that, you are living in la la land.

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msbetty said on October 4, 2011 at 8:13 PM

@Hippiescum -- this "wage slave" needs to pay the mortgage, put food on the table, pay utilities and taxes and help my immediate and extended family get from day to day. Should I even bother to ask if you have rent or a mortgage to pay? How do you get food? Clothing? Your cause is not being helped by flinging insults at those of us who have jobs - whether working for a big corporation or otherwise. In fact, NONE of the name calling all-round is helping anything. The protesters have a right to speak out, but please don't attack us who just want a decent life for our families and go to work every day -- we're not the problem. Those of you attacking the protesters? Maybe engage in some civilized conversations to learn what their motives and concerns are. Part of the reason this country is going to he!! is because we're too busy arguing.

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tugthug said on October 4, 2011 at 8:09 PM

Don't shoot! I only have a tent!

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dakotanative said on October 4, 2011 at 8:05 PM

Unemployment didn't come from corporate greed. it came from worker greed among other things. Unions demanding more and more until companies could not afford to have as many workers. Then there is technology. If a kiosk can take your order at Jack in the Box, why pay someone that may or may not show up for work on any given day, causing the company to turn away work and money. I think it is safe to say that in my shop of about 10, there is not 3 days a month that atleast 1 person does not call in sick. But yet they always complain that they have no money. And why did the big banks fail? Because the greedy workers had to have a bigger house than they could afford, causing defaults that killed banks. Yes the bank approved the loan, but YOU are ultimately responsible for yourself.

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msbetty said on October 4, 2011 at 8:01 PM

Help me understand what the protesters hope to accomplish. Yes, I understand the angst and frustration with big corporations, many of us feel the same way. However, I am really having a hard time understanding how standing around Westlake Center, holding signs and yelling slogans (and other) will actually DO anything. Have any leaders of the offending corporations stopped by to say hello and engage in a dialogue? They are in meetings...lunching...going home and going about their business. In short? I really doubt they care. Bank of America, Chase and their ilk certainly don't care much. What is needed is ACTION. Don't like the way a business conducts itself or dislike their corporate ethics? Pull your business. Looks what's happening with BofA customers who have had it with yet more fees -- they are taking their business elsewhere. When enough of us take action, they might pay attention.

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horribleron said on October 4, 2011 at 7:50 PM

I work down there and these socialists losers are in my favorite smoking area. If they are not gone in the morning I'm gonna pee on their tents.

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juliav said on October 4, 2011 at 6:51 PM

"The issue is that other people need to have the right to use the park also." Unless Nordstrom threatens to pull out of Seattle if the walking mall isn't opened up to traffic. Remember when Westlake Mall was a walking mall? Too bad the protestors don't have Nordstom's clout.

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hippiescum said on October 4, 2011 at 6:46 PM

@dakotanative Yeah, man!! We should all aspire to be wage slaves.... It doesn't get any better than that!

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javajoe said on October 4, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Seattle has turned into a disruptive sideshow.

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snakepliskin said on October 4, 2011 at 4:59 PM

If they're going to allow protesters to sleep in public places, they're going to have to let the homeless make their camps in public places as well. The last thing I want to do is be tripping over some derelict. I think its very rude of them if I have to take the long way around some peaceful sleeping protesters because they are blocking my way after a hard day at work. The protesters are going to have to learn to protest in shifts and go take their naps someplace else. And happy protesting! I support your cause but don't support your tents.

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hourforum said on October 4, 2011 at 4:47 PM

after all the taxes we have paid- I own three square inches of that side walk. Ill be happy to lease three square inches to whom ever comes up with cash

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Agnusr said on October 4, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Weird how the police are saying that they want to allow everyone use of the public space, so the protectors have to move. But TARGET set up an enormous display that blocks half the park complete with picnic tables and barricades and they aren't being told to move or face arrest. Just goes to show what sort of personhood has rights these days. Don't move OccupySeattle!

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czdsp said on October 4, 2011 at 4:06 PM

Times are hard. The banking system is faltering. And entire countries are on the brink of financial disaster. The financial troubles have a cause. See banking regulation bills, like the Dodd-Frank bill, and more micro-management from the last three years of this administration. The economic ineptitude of the Democratic Party is epic. Its a hard thing to take when they make a mistake. Their mistakes are frequent.

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totalcare3741002 said on October 4, 2011 at 3:48 PM

Can someone correct me here if I am wrong? I can't understand how the police can tell these protestors to remove their tents from public property, but yet I have notices for several months now that homeless folks can camp underneath the overpasses (especially at Cherry St) in the parking lots, or alongside the sidewalks in the same area. They have been there for awhile. Maybe the police are doing this so that protestors will not have any shelter, and therefore maybe will not be able to carry out any long term protest?

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said on October 4, 2011 at 3:48 PM

@dakotanative You do know that the unemployment rat is above 9%. How did it get that way? Mortgage back securities: Wall Street brokers. Credit Default Swaps: Insurance Companies. Sub Prime Mortgages: Banks. A Trillion Dollar tax cut while engaged in two wars costing a trillion dollars each. The so called "Job Creators" THE RICH decimated jobs even while getting a tax cut. They can't find jobs and are protesting against those that got them laid off!!!

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dakotanative said on October 4, 2011 at 3:37 PM

If the professional protesters put as much effort into getting a job as they do protesting, they would have nothing to protest about.

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whatsyurbeef said on October 4, 2011 at 3:35 PM

Take advantage of the extra people down town venders should set up sell hot dogs, snacks, drinks whatever. Remove tents and clean up after themselves or pay a good stiff fine. The extra income from fines will help promote lessons in humility to all Meat heads.

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noskills said on October 4, 2011 at 3:22 PM

agreed. Removing the tents is a reasonable request or threat depending upon how you look at it. :)

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Akogot said on October 4, 2011 at 3:01 PM

eh pretty reasonable

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