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Another airline may cancel 787 Dreamliner orders

by GLENN FARLEY / KING 5 News

KING5.com

Posted on November 30, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Updated Tuesday, Nov 30 at 6:16 PM

SEATTLE - Yet another delay for the Boeing Dreamliner. The news coincides with reports that another airline is canceling its 787 order.

A respected Australian aviation magazine is saying that China Eastern airline is considering canceling at least 15 Dreamliner orders.

Jim Albaugh, the chief of Boeing's airliner division, said Tuesday there will be another delay but how long is still unknown.

The plane known as ZA002, is being painted in the livery of the first 787 Customer. But just how soon Japan's All Nippon Airlines will receive its first plane for carrying passengers is once again up in the air. 

This will be the eighth delay, but analyst Michel Merluzeau with G-2 Solutions doesn't think it will be very long. 

"Three months, four months," he said. "Five months at the most."

Merluzeau thinks predictions by other analysts of six months to a year are way overblown. But the fact that the 787 Dreamliner is already nearly three years behind schedule makes any snag in the schedule the focus of more negative attention.

"I think it's the sequencing of the negative events that's doing more damage than the event itself, you know, you've had so many delays," said Merluzeau.

It has been a long time. ANA had hoped to have some of 787s back in 2008, in time to fly passengers to the Olympics in Beijing.  But just where does the 787 stand, considering it was the most successful launch of a Boeing jet based on orders?

So far this year, Boeing has seen 40 787 orders canceled, but won orders for 36 more planes, for a net loss of four Dreamliners. 

Despite everything, customers are hanging in there. There are 847 orders on the books, from 56 customers.

"To me, this is not as significant an event as the delays we've had in the past," said Merluzeau.

Boeing still calls the re-design work to as many as five of the plane's electrical panels as "minor,"  but says the re-design is still in the works, following the 30 second fire aboard the plane known as ZA002 in Texas. That plane returned to Seattle on Tuesday.

Boeing says repair crews replaced the damaged electrical panel and repaired some composite structure for its return flight. 

Wednesday is expected to bring a challenge for another jet.  Airbus is expected to announce what it's going to do about putting new higher efficiency engines onto the A320, which competes against Boeing' s super popular 737.

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zd14689 said on December 13, 2010 at 3:11 AM

Now Boeing is approaching to be three years behind schedule. Airbus looks now like the hero compared to Boeing. As for subsidies, neither Airbus or Boeing are innocent and both of them received subsidies in different forms. Pointing the finger at just one is wrong. Both of them are guilty no matter what. As for the unions, they are a part of why Boeing is outsourcing so much. We have to be realistic on that part. But the more prudent issue is the incompetence of the Boeing management. They are the ones that are pushing so hard and promising more than they actually can do. In the end they try to feed bad news in such small portions hoping that the backlash from the airlines is not going to be too bad. At some point they will learn the following lesson: Better an end with pain, than pain that never ends. And the B787 is a pain that will never end. As for the aircraft it self, yes it will see commercial flight, but it will not deliver all the promises Boeing made.

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zd14689 said on December 13, 2010 at 3:03 AM

I have to say, that some of my fellow Americans have to get a reality check on some issues. Airbus is an European Aircraft, not a French or British etc. Airbus was formed by he merger of various independent Aviation Companies. As Boeing is a US company (not a Washington or Illinois State company) so is Airbus not a French, British or German company. We have learned a lot from the German, British and French in order to create an industry where Boeing is one of the best in the world. That does not mean the other countries do not have an equivalent knowledge base and professionalism. Unfortunately in our country we forgot to keep certain aspects of any industry in our own country and are the ones that made outsourcing a household name. Now we are harvesting the fruits of our own doing. As for Boeing, they have made fun of Airbus when the A380 was delayed for two years. I always said at that time, don't throw with stones when you are sitting in a glass house.

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honest_a_hol said on November 30, 2010 at 9:50 PM

First of all, they must do some major flushing toilet in engineering and project managing department.

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telman said on November 30, 2010 at 9:47 PM

You can't blame this all on the Unions. Yes they played a part but so did the management, also the politicians and their Lobbyist. I would say there are plenty to blame. The bottom line is where do we as a country get back on track and start to industrialize again. We cannot compete like we did before China got into the game and Airbus is subsidized by England and France. Union , Management and Political Hacks need to get together and make this a strong industrial base country we once were.

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slappywag said on November 30, 2010 at 9:28 PM

I said it when they were "rumoring" there would be another delay. Just give it 5 minutes and they will say "Yup, another delay." This is quickly becoming the Tucker of the airline world.

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vandamme said on November 30, 2010 at 8:36 PM

It will never fly! Soon, Boeing will convert them to condominiums first! Then, they will rent them out! Muhahahahahahahahaha!

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jackwong said on November 30, 2010 at 7:36 PM

@calli: outsourcing will only lower the quality of airplanes. No workforce in the world is as disciplined or well-trained as the unionized workforce in America.

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calli said on November 30, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Blame it on the unions. Same thing with the auto-makers. The reason to outsource over-seas is to save money. Oh you build planes?? gosh, we have to spoon feed you for the rest of your life !

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tyredofit said on November 30, 2010 at 4:19 PM

Really? It is sad to see that Boeing has taken everything they knew about manufacturing aircraft and threw it out the window to build the 787. As a current employee, and a licensed aviation mechanic for 20 years, I will state that the 787 is an amazing plane. The technology is unbelievable. The management(?) who signed on to have so much of this program outsourced are the ones to fault. There are reasons that there are not an abundance of countries that build aircraft/parts. The processes and strict guidelines to manufacture aviation components take time to perfect. Boeing has already perfected that. So why did they deem it necessary to task companies such as the ones in Italy with building components that we could have done here in the US? I sincerely hope they rethink the program and start reeling back the jobs to where they belong.

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tandnreddy said on November 30, 2010 at 2:53 PM

This thing will NEVER fly commercially.

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dick13 said on November 30, 2010 at 2:49 PM

This ongoing saga is the result of bad management, probably started with Phil Condit. It is a great embarrassment to "American Knowhow" for which we used to be famous. Now we outsource vital tasks and even give away our technology. As a result we get shoddy work and bad parts that don't fit. What were they thinking?? As a lawyer for forty-three years and now (thank God) retired, I dispair at the "dumming down of American, from delapidated post office buildings and grounds, to rutted streets and failing bridges and roads. As the witch in the "Wizard of Oz" exclaimed: "I'm melting, I'm melting - What a World, What a World!" - Shame on this once great nation. I am thinking of moving to Canada, where they seem to be getting it mostly right!

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vandamme said on November 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM

Of course!

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todddammitt said on November 30, 2010 at 1:43 PM

This whole debacle proves to me that Boeing's outsourcing plan is an absolute failure. They need to completely re-tool this bird, and have it built by the people who know how to build a dang airplane, the trained people at Boeing. No, I don't work for them, but as one who sometimes has to use their products, I really don't want to see a list of "Made in *insert incompetent manufacturing country here* on the door jamb as I board. Really instills confidence doesn't it..?

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nwhominid said on November 30, 2010 at 1:35 PM

Ain't got time to wait...

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