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Washington's ailing pension system

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by SUSANNAH FRAME / KING 5 News

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 10:40 PM

Updated Friday, Nov 13 at 12:49 PM

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SEATTLE - Inside a Seattle University building, part-time instructor Stan Finkelstein is enjoying the retired life. What's he doing?

He's teaching an evening management class, biking all over the place and traveling to places like Russia.

What he isn't doing is worrying about money.

"There's a certain awareness that my pension is rather substantial," said Finkelstein.

Retired after 30 years of government service, Finkelstein saved well for the golden years, plus he pulls in $113,000 a year in a guaranteed pension.

He's one of 100,000 current and former government workers in our state's oldest and most lucrative pension plans, commonly known as the PERS 1 and TRS 1. These plans were closed to new employees in 1977.

The KING 5 Investigators found some of the top retirees include former energy executive Rod Webring, who has the biggest pension of all, about $250,000 a year.

Former Gov. Gary Locke is another top pensioner, with $104,000 a year in state benefits on top of his salary with the Obama administration.

A widow of a Seattle firefighter gets about $155,000 a year, more than triple what her husband made when he retired.

There's nothing wrong with these large pensions. The employees earned them and the state constitution guarantees they'll get them, no matter what.

The problem? These old plans are about to go broke.

"It's a very serious situation," said Matt Smith, the State Actuary, who is paid to give the legislature his expert advice on how to keep our pension systems healthy. He recently issued the gloomiest report to lawmakers he’s ever given in his seven years on the job.

The report shows the old pension plans are now “at risk” of "running out of assets," be flat busted, in six to eight years.

"(That would be) the scenario of poor investment returns, if we have another decade like we just had where investment returns for an entire 10-year period were about 4 percent. (Our state) assumes 8 percent. If you have a flat period of investments and the legislature maybe not being able to fully fund these pensions, that's the scenario where you could see the (oldest) plans running out of money," said Smith.

If that happens, the money  - about $15 million a month and growing - will come straight out of the general fund, or from higher taxes.

"In other words we'll be writing checks from the budget to pension recipients," said Sen Joe Zarelli, Ridgefield, Wash. "And a lot of things have to go because that's a lot of money to take from the bottom line."

How much? About $2 billion a year for 20 years before the bill would begin to taper down.

With $2 billion the state could hire 27,000 additional teachers.

Or provide health insurance for every uninsured citizen in the state.

Or give free tuition to every higher education student in Washington.

The state's pension mess is partly due to the plummet in the stock market. The trust fund's lost $15 billion from the heyday two years ago.

There's plenty of blame for our state's lawmakers as well.

"The legislature is skipping payments, they're doing all kinds of shenanigans, essentially that is just compounding this problem over time," said Amber Gunn, Director of the Economic Policy Center for the Evergreen Freedom Foundation.

In the last five years lawmakers borrowed from state worker's pension plans - more than a half-billion dollars from the oldest systems.

They simply skipped contributions to the fund. They even passed on the payment two years ago during the highest budget surplus in state history.

"These are good times, these are exciting times," Gov. Chris Gregoire said in 2007.

But the good times didn't roll into the ailing pension plans. The leadership didn't find money for that.

In that surplus year they did however find $300,000 to fund a grizzly bear and a sugar beet study, $150,000 to open a legislative gift shop, and $30,000 to hire the first-ever state poet.

Sen. Joe Zarelli has pushed for making pension contributions for years, but he says irresponsible politics have gotten in the way.

"It's not a sexy thing to spend money on," he said. "They'd rather go out and create a program or get more money for something that they can get recognition for."

Senate majority leader Lisa Brown, D-Spokane, wrote the budget back in the surplus years.

We tried for two weeks to talk to her about those skipped payments. After she canceled our first interview in Seattle we scheduled an interview with her in Spokane. The camera and lights were set up, but Sen. Brown didn't show up. Her staff told KING 5 she had to run to a community event. After that, emails and phone calls to set up yet another interview were not returned.

Rep. Kelli Linville did agree to talk. She said Democratic aren't to blame. She points out Republican Dino Rossi wrote the budget when the first pension contribution went by the wayside in 2004.

"I don't want to throw stones, it's all of us. It's not one party or one leadership or one anything because like I said I believe everyone has not done the most they should," she said.

Rep. Linville says in the future she'll work to try to keep lawmakers from taking more from the pension fund to pay for other things. "My hope for the next (budget) is that the pensions are left alone. that we don't look to use the pensions as any leverage to balance the budget. We can't," said Linville.

The expert, State Actuary Matt Smith, says the worst case scenario can be avoided if lawmakers change their spending habits now. Business as usual, he says, isn't going to cut it. One of his recommendations to keep the fund afloat is to have lawmakers triple contributions to the pension fund over the next six years: from $661 million between 2009 and 2011, to $1.88 billion between 2013 and 2015.

That's a tall order given the current economic climate.

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grumpa said on November 11, 2009 at 11:55 PM

Wow another failure of this Democrat run state government. How long now 30 years. It is time to clean house and put in people who really care about what they do. It is a real shame and no one will pay for their absolute lack of knowing how to do their job. We just got fleeced.

unbelievable said on November 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM

All I can say is what a crock. Aren't these pensions federally insured? Maybe Christine should put some of the TARP money there, and maybe some of the 2% Arts funds should be redirected into the pensions.

garebear55 said on November 12, 2009 at 10:14 AM

I draw a Teamster pension of about $2,000.00 per month. Now they plan to raise taxes on my meager pension to pay for these absurd pensions. ( I don't think so). These fools in the legislature are so out of touch with reality that they need to be removed from their positions at the very next opportunity. A state income tax is on the horizon and don't think for a moment it will only tax the highest incomes. It will creep down to pensioners in my tax bracket. They may cut the state sales tax, only to have to federal government impose their own national sales tax. Where will it all end?

kksquared said on November 12, 2009 at 10:51 AM

These pensions must be funded and the legislature needs to get on it now. There is no way they should have been able to skip payments!

montanajohn said on November 12, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Tax Dollars for Inflated Pensions Let's see, a pension for a surviving spouse that is three times the pension that the worker earned. Pensions that are based not on the employees salary, but on all the overtime (plus base salary) the grab to qualify for a higher pension. If pensions were based on base salary, the state would have no problem. But, the polititians also have this great plan and the crooks aren't going to fix anything that doesn't give them more, more, more. Instead of fixing the problem, they will just say they need more of our tax dollars to pay for these ridiculous pensions that defy logic, fairness, or oversight. The end is near!

jcman said on November 12, 2009 at 4:54 PM

For those of us who didn't get overtime and have pensions that we faithfully contributed to for 30 years and now get around $36,000 a year, (which is maybe a little more that the majority of retired state employees) to bring up the few large cases just to incense the public and make all state retirees look like featherbedders is just plain wrong! The only people that scam the system are the good ole boys who appoint their buddies from the legislature to heads of departments for a couple years just to boost their retirement by a sinful amount and rip off the rest of us. I personally don't understand why a surviving spouse is getting 3 times the pension the worker earned, something is way wrong with that. She gets almost 5 times my retirement pay. And as State Senator Linville said it's not just Democrats, Republicans wrote the first budget that ripped us off and the Demos followed suit. Thomas Jefferson warned us about political parties who would take away the real democracy.

drnetwork said on November 12, 2009 at 7:08 PM

This is a story that certainly needed telling, but I'm a little puzzled by some of the arithmetic. It is stated that the current shortfall in the system is about $15 million a month, which is $180 million a year. A paragraph later, it is claimed that this could blow a $2 billion hole in the annual budget --- huh? How do you go from $180 million a year to $2 billion a year? Either somebody's calculator malfunctioned or some details were left out. Speaking of leaving details out, some extreme examples of pension recipients are trotted out with great fanfare ($113,000 a year for Mr. Finklestein, $105,000 for former Gov. Gary Locke), but no mention whatsoever about the AVERAGE pension amount, which I'm willing to bet is considerably less than $40,000 a year. It's a better pension system than some, but hardly anyone is living high on the hog on their PERS 1 retirement.

drnetwork said on November 12, 2009 at 7:12 PM

This is a story that certainly needed telling, but I'm a little puzzled by some of the arithmetic. It is stated that the current shortfall in the system is about $15 million a month, which is $180 million a year. A paragraph later, it is claimed that this could blow a $2 billion hole in the annual budget --- huh? How do you go from $180 million a year to $2 billion a year? Either somebody's calculator malfunctioned or some details were left out. Speaking of leaving details out, some extreme examples of pension recipients are trotted out with great fanfare ($113,000 a year for Mr. Finklestein, $105,000 for former Gov. Gary Locke), but no mention whatsoever about the AVERAGE pension amount, which I'm willing to bet is considerably less than $40,000 a year. It's a better pension system than some, but hardly anyone is living high on the hog on their PERS 1 retirement.

factoid said on November 12, 2009 at 7:33 PM

This just confirms my opinion, that most politicians and state leaders are either incompetent or crooks.

hawk423 said on November 15, 2009 at 10:20 AM

WoW!!! I can't believe that state democrat Kelli Linville has the audacity to sit in front of the camera and say that the state retirement system is almost broke thanks to DINO ROSSI!! Are you kidding me Representative Linville? How can Dino Rossi pass any proposal in a state where the democrats run both the house and the senate? It is time that this country wakes up and sees that the real problem with this country is the democrats that want to continually take from everyone so they have fatter wallets and the leaches of society (welfare recipients) don't have to do the responsible thing like get a job and pay taxes like the other responsible people of this country are doing. The Democrats are the cancer that is going to bankrupt this country and make us learn to speak some other language of the country who overthrows us if we the people continue to vote these idiots into office. They are slowly and quietly taking our freedoms and liberties that we have enjoyed for so long.

hawk423 said on November 15, 2009 at 10:21 AM

WoW!!! I can't believe that state democrat Kelli Linville has the audacity to sit in front of the camera and say that the state retirement system is almost broke thanks to DINO ROSSI!! Are you kidding me Representative Linville? How can Dino Rossi pass any proposal in a state where the democrats run both the house and the senate? It is time that this country wakes up and sees that the real problem with this country is the democrats that want to continually take from everyone so they have fatter wallets and the leaches of society (welfare recipients) don't have to do the responsible thing like get a job and pay taxes like the other responsible people of this country are doing. The Democrats are the cancer that is going to bankrupt this country and make us learn to speak some other language of the country who overthrows us if we the people continue to vote these idiots into office. They are slowly and quietly taking our freedoms and liberties that we have enjoyed for so long.

hawk423 said on November 15, 2009 at 10:21 AM

WoW!!! I can't believe that state democrat Kelli Linville has the audacity to sit in front of the camera and say that the state retirement system is almost broke thanks to DINO ROSSI!! Are you kidding me Representative Linville? How can Dino Rossi pass any proposal in a state where the democrats run both the house and the senate? It is time that this country wakes up and sees that the real problem with this country is the democrats that want to continually take from everyone so they have fatter wallets and the leaches of society (welfare recipients) don't have to do the responsible thing like get a job and pay taxes like the other responsible people of this country are doing. The Democrats are the cancer that is going to bankrupt this country and make us learn to speak some other language of the country who overthrows us if we the people continue to vote these idiots into office. They are slowly and quietly taking our freedoms and liberties that we have enjoyed for so long.

traveler said on November 15, 2009 at 11:53 AM

This kind of irresponsibility runs from federal to state governments. Skipping payments to, or borrowing from, a pension fund should be considered malfeasance. Social Security is also in this kind of mess because of misuse of funds over generations of politicians. I understand the political pressure to find money for other programs. However, this money doesn’t belong to the wider system. It is both an explicit (legal) and implicit (moral) contract with workers. A few high pensions for top managers do not tell the story for most workers. People who work in public service trade higher rewards in the private sector for the payoff later. Changing the rules downstream due to mismanagement of funds is dishonest.

idlepoor said on November 15, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Dear Susanah Frame, I was shocked to see your opening comments in this report. You made pension recipients sound like freeloaders who are ripping off the taxpayers. I collect 14,000 dollars a year, and most pensioners collect less than 40k, I am sure. Pensions are calculated by a strict formula, so the retirees you mentioned obviously had HIGH SALARIES when they were working. In case you or anyone reading this does not know, the formula is 2% for each year worked multiplied by average final wages. And, there are strict guidelines for how much the employee has to contribute to the pension system and how many years they have to work to collect anything at all. I understand you were trying to generate interest in this story, but please be aware that many of the general public thinks of state pension recipients as freeloading scum, and think the taxpayer pays the bill for their imagined jet set lifestyles already.

ozzie said on November 15, 2009 at 8:59 PM

I am a state employee that has worked for the state for over 20 years making less than if I were in private industry. I will be retiring soon. I chose to work for the state because I liked the package they presented me. So now it is suggested that changes may take place. Hey this is the deal I lived up to my part so the state should live up to their part.

peggyforpeace said on December 30, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Most state employees are NOT in PERS 1 any more folks! I worked for over 16 years and will receive around $13,000/year in pension. If I didn't have Social Security and deferred compensation available, I'd be looking for food stamps. Get a grip!