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Wash. one of four states looking at marijuana reform

Wash. one of four states looking at marijuana reform

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Wash. one of four states looking at marijuana reform

by Associated Press

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Posted on December 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Updated Monday, Dec 28 at 8:02 AM

OLYMPIA, Wash. - Washington is one of four states where measures to legalize and regulate marijuana have been introduced, and about two dozen other states are considering bills ranging from medical marijuana to decriminalizing possession of small amounts of the herb.

"In terms of state legislatures, this is far and away the most active year that we've ever seen," said Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the New York-based Drug Policy Alliance, which supports reforming marijuana laws.

Nadelmann said that while legalization efforts are not likely to get much traction in state capitals anytime soon, the fact that there is such an increase of activity "is elevating the level of public discourse on this issue and legitimizing it."

"I would say that we are close to the tipping point," he said. "At this point they are still seen as symbolic bills to get the conversation going, but at least the conversation can be a serious one."

Opponents of relaxing marijuana laws aren't happy with any conversation on the topic, other than keeping the drug illegal.

"There's no upside to it in any manner other than for those people who want to smoke pot," said Travis Kuykendall, head of the West Texas High Intensity Drug-Trafficking Area office in El Paso, Texas. "There's nothing for society in it, there's nothing good for the country in it, there's nothing for the good of the economy in it."

Legalization bills were introduced in California and Massachusetts earlier this year, and this month, New Hampshire and Washington state prefiled bills in advance of their legislative sessions that begin in January. Marijuana is illegal under federal law, but guidelines have been loosened on federal prosecution of medical marijuana under the Obama administration.

Even so, marijuana reform legislation remains a tough sell in some places. In the South, for example, only Mississippi and North Carolina have decriminalization laws on the books.

"It's a social and cultural thing," said Bruce Mirken, spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project, a Washington, D.C.-based marijuana advocacy group. "There are some parts of the country where social attitudes are just a little more cautious and conservative."

Rep. Mary Lou Dickerson, a Seattle Democrat who is sponsoring the legalization bill in Washington state, said that she "wanted to start a strong conversation about the pros and cons of legalizing marijuana."

Under her bill, marijuana would be sold in Washington state's 160 state-run liquor stores, and customers, 21 and older, would pay a tax of 15 percent per gram. The measure would dedicate most of the money raised for substance abuse prevention and treatment, which is facing potential cuts in the state budget. Dickerson said the measure could eventually bring in as much to state coffers as alcohol does, more than $300 million a year.

"Our state is facing a huge financial deficit and deficits are projected for a few more years," Dickerson said, referring to the projected $2.6 billion hole lawmakers will need to fill next year. "We need to look at revenue and see what might be possible."

Allen St. Pierre, executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, said that tough economic times across the country have lawmakers looking at everything, and may lead even more states to eventually consider the potential tax value of pot.

"The bean counters are now reporting back to their elected officials how much money is being left off the table," he said, adding that billions of dollars worth of pot is going untaxed.

Ron Brooks, president of the National Narcotics Officers' Associations' Coalition, said that he feared that, if legalized, marijuana would contribute to more highway accidents and deaths, as well as a potential increase in health care costs for those who smoke it.

State lawmakers, he said, need to ask themselves "if they believe we really will make all that revenue, and even if we did, will it be worth the suffering, the loss of opportunities, the chronic illness or death that would occur?"

Legalization isn't the only measure lawmakers across the country are weighing. About two dozen states, including Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Wisconsin, are considering bills ranging from medical marijuana to decriminalizing possession of small amounts of marijuana, St. Pierre said. Washington state is among the states that are considering decriminalization, with a bill that would reclassify adult possession of marijuana from a crime with jail time to a civil infraction with a $100 penalty.

Fourteen states, including Washington state, already have medical marijuana laws, and 13 have decriminalization laws on the books, St. Pierre said. About two dozen cities across the country, including Seattle, make marijuana offenses a low law-enforcement priority.

Marijuana advocates said that while increased activity in the statehouse is heartening, change most likely will come at the ballot box through voter-driven initiatives.

"Inevitably, the politicians are going to be behind the curve on this stuff," Nadelmann said, noting that almost all of the medical marijuana laws came about by initiative.

This month, a group campaigning to put a marijuana legalization measure before California voters said it had enough signatures to qualify for the 2010 ballot.

That proposal would legalize possession of up to one ounce of marijuana for adults 21 and older. Residents could cultivate marijuana gardens up to 25 square feet. City and county governments would determine whether to permit and tax marijuana sales within their boundaries. And in Nevada earlier this month, backers of a move to legalize marijuana there filed paperwork creating an advocacy group aimed at qualifying an initiative for the 2012 election.

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Drug Policy Alliance
High Intensity Drug-Trafficking Areas
Marijuana Policy Project
National Narcotics Officers' Associations' Coalition
National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws

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lennon425 said on January 5, 2010 at 10:52 PM

I do believe that pot is a very good thing for the world. I have smoked pot every day for the past two years and nothing bad has happened. I have driven under the influence of marijuana and i didn't crash and nothing bad happened, and i do this regularly. People die every day from alcohol and it's effects and almost every one knows some one who has an alcohol problem. I have never found ay deaths related to the use of marijuana, it does not cause cancer. If ay one can find a death related to marijuana use please tell me ad i will change my mind. and to all those who believe it is wrong that is because you have never tried it.

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tanker said on January 3, 2010 at 8:21 AM

Legalizing pot ? Stupid move, you think drunk driving is the the leading cause of deaths on our roads , see what happens when you make it legal to smoke pot. There will be more impaired drivers on our roads, then what? More deaths because of it. Drunk driving is the leading cause of deaths on the roads. What will you say to the family of someone you killed because you were impaired by booze or weed? probably wont worry about it untill it happens to you huh? Yes I have lost 2 uncles , 1 aunt and 2 cousins killed by drunk drivers all with in a month! yes I am serious.

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rainierian said on December 29, 2009 at 2:25 AM

Yes legalize it. Then they could tax it, and make soo much money so we could deal with the huge deficit we have. People come on, people are going to smoke pot either way, at least make money from it. :-)

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lillrexx said on December 28, 2009 at 7:13 PM

I have not smoked any pot for 6 years now. I don;t feel any smarter. I don't have any more ambition. I have gained weight and I drink more alcohol than I used to. If all the people in the world who drink smoked pot instead I'm convinced the world would be a much safer and better place.

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satkins93 said on December 28, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Legalize and tax. Coffee shops, open and tax. Open medical RX clubs. Allow small grows. as a PS 1) Hollands pot use went up for a bit of time then down after the novelty dropped off. 2) In Holland the Pot clubs have the option to eat rather than smoke pot. 3) No jail time except what the Feds are willing to fund, not the State. PS open container of Pot while driving....same as drunk driving

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dede1978 said on December 28, 2009 at 3:33 PM

I don't see why legalizing it is such an issue with some. I've smoked myself as well as knowing others who do. And none of us went on to use other stronger drugs. Those who go on to use others will do it regardless if pot is legal or not. And they will become addicts of other drugs regardless. Make it legal and put the same restrictions on it as they do alcohol, and concentrate on prosecuting those who break the laws, manufacture meth and crack, etc. Stop wasting tax payer dollars on prosecuting small time pot users and wasting jail space on them, and take the scum off the streets that do real harm.

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bigbarb said on December 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM

As a backup argument for the legalization of marijauna, there should be a cost analysis of what it is costing to incarcerate some one who was charged with possession of a small amount of marijauna. Not someone who was charged with possesion with intent to sell, but merely a few ounces.

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vickdichselbst said on December 28, 2009 at 2:39 PM

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food." Seems pretty clear to me what God intended us to use.

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phaedrus said on December 28, 2009 at 2:11 PM

hippiegirl, You seem to have missinterpreted my post. I never said "...everyone who uses drugs/alcohol is troubled, is mentally ill, has weakness of character", in fact, I said quite the opposite. Most people who use pot or alchohol do not abuse either, and are perfectly well adjusted people who should have the freedom to imbibe as they choose. It is also true that many who are troubled turn to drugs or alcohol to medicate their pain. That, in and of itself, does not implicate the drugs or alcohol as the cause of the problem. If you want the pot to be the cause you need to show causality. All I'm saying is that the argument that pot should be outlawed because of the "problems it causes" does not fit with the emperical data. It's like saying icy roads cause wrecks or air escaping from tires causes flats. They are certainly related but not the cause. And if it helps at all I spent years working with heroine addicts. I do understand what chemical dependency is.

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ecast12 said on December 28, 2009 at 1:38 PM

it seems that some people have seen Refer Madness a few too many times. How many of you anti-mj people have any personal experience on the subject(That one time in high school when you were drunk doesn't count)?? Trust me, as someone who graduated from the uw, maintains a good job, bought a house...all while smoking daily ( and NEVER TOUCHING ANYTHING other than mj) marijuana is not the evil. I do not understand why parents aren't more concerned about what their children are stealing out of their medicine cabinets than a natural herb that gives a euphoric feeling.

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ru_ppl_4_real said on December 28, 2009 at 1:00 PM

MJ is not Physically addictive...FACT Not one person has ever Died from The use of MJ.....FACT

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hippiegirl said on December 28, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Phaedrus: Our son is not and was not "troubled." He experimented with drugs and alcohol, and because he is an "addict" it affected his brain in a negative manner and so caused his problems. It's wrong to say that everyone who uses drugs/alcohol is troubled, is mentally ill, has weakness of character. Don't misinterpret my posts. You're greatly misinformed and obviously uneducated regarding addiction. You have no idea what my family's ordeal has been. Don't put a spin on it to suit your ideas. You sound idiotic spewing your "diatribe." You're obviously trying hard to sound intelligent. It's not working.

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gdowning said on December 28, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Check out the "National Narcotics Officers' Associations' Coalition", and it should send chills down your spine. Then check out LEAP: "Law Enforcement Against Prohibition". http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php?name=Content&pid=4 As a past drug warrior in the 70's, I can tell you that the most dangerous thing about drugs is the enforcement. I screwed up peoples lives way beyond what any drug could ever do. And I'm sorry for it. I support LEAP now.

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tankcox said on December 28, 2009 at 11:32 AM

some people really should read articles before they "try" to inform others about what is said in such article............ quoted from donttasemebro: Some of you people are acting like they are planning on growing the pot and taxing it and selling it. That's not what they are talking about. They are talking about making it legal for small personal use possession. quoted from the news article: "Under her bill, marijuana would be sold in Washington state's 160 state-run liquor stores, and customers, 21 and older, would pay a tax of 15 percent per gram. The measure would dedicate most of the money raised for substance abuse prevention and treatment, which is facing potential cuts in the state budget. Dickerson said the measure could eventually bring in as much to state coffers as alcohol does, more than $300 million a year."

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whitlynn said on December 28, 2009 at 11:18 AM

And further more... people get arrested for DUI in all forms all the time. Legalizing weed wouldn't stop people from getting in trouble if they get caught. People will always make stupid choices wether the stuff is legal or not. So let them make an example of themselves for everyone else what will happen if you don't follow the rules and get caught. You can't always worry about peoples poor choices, dude. It will drive you crazy. lol.

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phaedrus said on December 28, 2009 at 11:17 AM

hippiegirl, Sarah Palin? Really? You might go back and read your own posts more carefully. You have a troubled son who used pot and booze to medicate himself, and who became violent in the absence of that medication. You are putting the cause of his trouble and violence on the drugs. By that logic, everyone who uses pot or drinks must become violent when they "come down". But the facts show us that that is not true. Therefore the cause is not the drug, it is something else. That is just elementary logic. Don't insult the intelligence of others with your emotional diatribe, it only makes you that much less credible.

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whitlynn said on December 28, 2009 at 11:07 AM

donttesemebro: police are not stupid. The government having making the decision to legalize MJ, do think they would leave our officers unprepaired? I seriously doubt that. And you're right, we do have a enough problems with drunks on the road. But we have enough problems with drugs too... this is just a way to see if it helps that problem. Not everything that happends in one state will happen for all. I think it should be given a chance to breath, just to see what happends. They could always turn things back to the way they were if it doesn't work out. MJ isn't even as bad as booze. Thats legal. Ciggarettes are addicting, weed is not. Like I said before, just slap on the same restrictions as alcohol. We should be fine. I really dont think things will be as bad as everyone keeps saying it will be. Lets just do it and see what happends.

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musicfreak said on December 28, 2009 at 10:51 AM

I don't smoke pot, have never smoked pot, and don't wish to smoke pot. HOwever, I have been pro-legalization of marijuana since I was a teenager. I believe it would free up a lot of our resources. Let's look at how Amsterdam handles it, and use that as a template.

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jackfrost said on December 28, 2009 at 10:50 AM

you all need to watch this movie!!!http://conspiracyrealitytv.com/the-business-behind-getting-high-cannabis-suppression-in-the-us-and-canada/ just copy/paste. and then watch, this will open your eyes!!!!!!!!!!

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donttasemebro said on December 28, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Some of you people are acting like they are planning on growing the pot and taxing it and selling it. That's not what they are talking about. They are talking about making it legal for small personal use possession. Do you think that's going to stop the violence? It's not. Even if someone has a medical marijuana card, they have a grow op, the houses in the area drop in value and the crime rate at some of these houses exists with murder, home invasions, shootings, you name it. And how are Police supposed to be able to enforce DUI laws on people who are high and driving if there is no way to test the THC levels in your system while out in the field. We have enough problems with drunks.

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4bigdiamonds said on December 28, 2009 at 9:58 AM

For someone like me, Cannabis has been the magic bullet. I use it responsibly, my license does not give me the right to use it in any other way than as the medicine it is. I don't abuse the privilege, I am not a sensation seeker, but I am a seeker of a pain free life in which I can now function like a normal person. Did you know each of us specifically has cabinoid receptors in our brains? Hmm, what an odd thing that is if you think about it. The receptors help our bodies process the MJ to use in to blocking and relieveing pain. What else have we been equipped with that can accomplish the same goal? Nothing! Nothing for alcohol, nicotine, cocaine, meth, and the list goes on. It seems to me that we've been built to use this natural plant for our health benefits. Why else would each body and each brain have these receptors? Think about that one for a moment. Anyway, let's legalize a good thing for once. God knows we've certainly blown it with the passing of Alcohol and Cigarettes!

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getafterit said on December 28, 2009 at 9:12 AM

For those of you who think Marijuana should be legalized, take a second and look at what happened in California. Specifically, Mendocino and Humbolt county, those areas are a mess. The crime rate is higher than it was when MJ was illegal, and the money coming in from "Taxes" isn't enough to justify the resources to fight the additional crime that has spread.

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whitlynn said on December 28, 2009 at 9:02 AM

hmmmm said on December 27, 2009 at 9:18 PM How often do you hear in the news "Local husband gets high off marijuana and beats his wife."? lol. You are right about that.

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davy1070 said on December 28, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Finally, a safer alternative to alcohol. Look for great economic booms in the states that legalize God's good cannabis plant.

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hippiegirl said on December 28, 2009 at 8:11 AM

Another thing that I have to add to this conversation is in regards to pot making people mellow. Fair enough, but what about the regular pot user who decides to not smoke and has to "come down." I know firsthand that some people become quite angry and violent when detoxing off pot. My son was an angry mess, punched his hand through a door, seemed so ready to explode at times we felt we were going to have to call 911 (didn't need to, thank goodness). Whether MJ is legalized or not, there needs to be A LOT more education and money put to addiction treatment, same with alcohol. Let people have access to treatments and make it affordable. Drug use isn't always a personal decision affecting just the user. Drug use is definitely a social problem. And to those who in one breath say driving is okay even though reflexes are off and judgment is impaired. How can anyone be considered a safe driver if reflexes and/or judgment is impaired? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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whitlynn said on December 28, 2009 at 7:21 AM

MJ really isnt that much diffrent than booze. Just slap on the same restrictions. Its really not that big of a deal. I personally dont smoke it, have no interest to... but people are doing it everyday. I dont think there will be anymore abuse on the roads with weed and drinking than there already is if legalized. And kids are going to be kids. Its a matter of will power that they choose whats right for themselves and stay in controle. Besides, its better that they buy a controled substance from the public stores where there is no added "ingrediants" causing people to halucinate or whatever else. There is no addictive ingrediants in weed, people smoke because they want to, not because they have to or they need it. It doesn't matter what we all do, drugs are going to be there no matter what... might as well try our best to controle what isnt as bad as some of the other things that are out there. If you really think of it... is a bowl of weed really diffrent from a bottle of booze?

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tankcox said on December 28, 2009 at 3:19 AM

I personally have smoked plenty of pot,and i have drank plenty of booze in my time......gave it all up yrs ago because i was tired of my life going no-where. Anyway,I can honestly tell you that threw the decades of my own personal "research" with pot and booze that it is not possible to reach the stumbling,slobering, faling down state of intoxication with pot alone that can be reached threw alcohol.........Will your reflexes be impaired??? Yes......Will your judgment be impaired??? Yes..........But no matter how much you smoke,you just cant get as messed up on pot as you can with booze.... I say sell it in the state stores and tax the begeebees out of it........But,at the same time create new very stringent laws that will basically "HANG" anyone who even thinks about contributing to the delinquency of a minor with pot or booze........and enforce the laws to the fullest extent.......

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mango said on December 28, 2009 at 2:21 AM

Yeah, so like I really....hang on I have to go into the kitchen I have the munchies.

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clydehill said on December 27, 2009 at 9:24 PM

I see all the pot heads are spamming the comment section with their rocket science. It seems their main argument is that we've screwed up society with alcohol so we might as well do it with marijuana. Unfortunately everyone I know who uses pot is a drain on and not a positive contributor to the general good of society. A bunch of self righteous losers.

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hmmmm said on December 27, 2009 at 9:18 PM

technoviking said on December 27, 2009 at 5:13 PM If people had a choice between a bottle of 100 proof alcohol and a bag of cannibis - and they chose the cannibis - we all would be much safer. PERIOD Amen, that's the truth right there!!! How often do you hear in the news "Local husband gets high off marijuana and beats his wife."?

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redrattler said on December 27, 2009 at 8:45 PM

The latest treatment data indicate that in 2006 marijuana was the most common illicit drug of abuse and was responsible for about 16 percent (289,988) of all admissions to treatment facilities in the United States. Marijuana admissions were primarily male (73.8 percent), White (51.5 percent), and young (36.1 percent were in the 15–19 age range). Those in treatment for primary marijuana abuse had begun use at an early age: 56.2 percent had abused it by age 14 and 92.5 percent had abused it by age 18. These data are from the Treatment Episode Data Set (TEDS) Highlights – 2006: National Admissions to Substance Abuse Treatment Services

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hippiegirl said on December 27, 2009 at 8:04 PM

technoviking: Don't proceed to lecture me on what I do or do not know. You and I differ greatly in our beliefs re: addiction. I believe addiction is a disease, not a moral weakness or mental illness. Just because you're an addict yourself doesn't make you the all-knowing great one. I know what my family and my son have been through due to his disease of addiction to MJ and alcohol. There's a great treatment facility in Yakima which teaches addicts and their families all about addiction. I thought I knew what addiction was until they taught my family what it really is. I suggest you re-educate yourself on addiction as well. You just might learn something new and change your attitude. Phaedrus: You spout nonsense. Your make as much sense as Sarah Palin when she's trying to explain something.

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unwantedguest said on December 27, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Legalize? No freaking way. I completely agree with the "gateway" drug theory - and yes, I include tobacco and alcohol in that group, but we can't do much more about that at this point. I have yet to hear of a meth or heroin addict who first didn't try pot. Decriminalize less than 40 grams? Absolutely. That would take a load off of our misdemeanor courts and likely result in a higher revenue. $500 fine (like a speeding ticket) with no reduction? Perfect.

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camanojoe said on December 27, 2009 at 7:07 PM

If we continue down this path of printing and spending money I believe we'll all need a little medicinal marijuana.

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phaedrus said on December 27, 2009 at 6:58 PM

hippiegirl, if pot is the cause of the problem then all people who smoke pot would become addicted. Clearly the evidence shows that this isn't the case, therefore pot is not the problem. People become "addicted" to many things (gambling, sex, adrenaline rush). Your underlying premise is wrong therefore your conclusion is false.

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vigilee said on December 27, 2009 at 6:54 PM

You folks who support sending Americans to jails and prisons for pot use are a threat to society. How dare you try to impose your will on other otherwise decent folks! Shame on you for falling for the propaganda. Cannabis is a plant, it is neither good nor bad. You can use it wisely and it can be a great friend. You can use it unwisely and it will not be such a friend. It is that simple. It is like anything. Legalize it. Then we can discuss how to responsibly use it, who may want to use it, how it should be used, and so on. The folks that want to do it - fine. The folks who don't want to do it - fine. Enough of this insanity that is wasting billions of dollars and accomplishing nothing. There is more pot around now than in any other time in recent memory.

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technoviking said on December 27, 2009 at 6:51 PM

hippiegirl: If you know anything about chemical dependency - you would know that the "substance" that one is "addicted'" to is only a symptom of their comorbidity (either selfishness of mental illness). Therefore - if you think people's values and behaviors change because of the cessation of a chemical substance - you are 100% wrong and have NO idea what drives active addiction. As a recovering alcoholic I know that alcohol is not and was not my problem. PERIOD If alcohol and drugs were my problem - my life would have gotten better after quitting. Instead I continued to "act out" to get what I want from people - which was the crux of the problem in the first place. I wasn't a terrible person because I drank ofrdid drugs. I was a terrible person because I hurt people to get what I want. That is what I was like intoxicated of not. PERIOD In this case: guns don't kill people - people kill people. Drugs and Alcohol don't kill people - people kill people. Legalize It.

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hippiegirl said on December 27, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Meriana: My son had major problems with MJ as well. MJ addiction can happen to good kids, bad kids, kids with good parents, kids with bad parents. MJ does not discriminate. I can't believe all the stupidity I'm hearing in so many of these comments where people believe MJ is totally harmless. Go sit in at group therapy at any substance abuse treatment center and you'll find out all about how MJ isn't so innocent. Why should innocent people have to be on the road with behind-the-wheel, MJ-impaired tokers? It's bad enough we have to contend with those who are alcohol-impaired. If my son had kept on the path he was on he would make a terrible husband, a terrible father, a terrible employee, a terrible threat to society, and a terrible disappointment to himself and everyone who cared about him. For every person who can do just fine smoking MJ, there's someone who's life is absolutely ruined, and the fallout from that makes life miserable for those around him/her.

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technoviking said on December 27, 2009 at 5:13 PM

If people had a choice between a bottle of 100 proof alcohol and a bag of cannibis - and they chose the cannibis - we all would be much safer. PERIOD

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phaedrus said on December 27, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Actually, there is no addictive chemical in pot. People who get "addicted" to pot are tying to fill an emotional need not a physical one. Someone who is addicted to pot needs counselling to determine what void in their life they are using the pot to fill. Those are the people who typically turn to harder stuff. Well adjusted people don't have the same need and won't turn to harder drugs. Alchohol, Nicotine, Heroin, Crack, and Methamphetamine are all addictive substances that cause physical addiction.

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whatsyurbeef said on December 27, 2009 at 4:55 PM

The sickening stench of those cigarette smokers is'nt enough what a bunch of losers. I prefer getting hi on life not running from it. In my humble opinion of course. So Whats Your Beef.

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hmmmm said on December 27, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Not surprising to read negative responses to the proposal from those whose jobs depend on the funding (West Texas High Intensity Drug-Trafficking Area). Legalize and they no longer have a job. Hmmm why would one expect a different response from them?

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lan_eli said on December 27, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Meriana, maybe YOUR kid has a problem with it. But does that mean everybody has the same problem? There are millions of people, everyday people who enjoy smoking pot rather than tipping alcohol. Just because one person has problems with certain activities doesn't mean a total ban should be put on said doings. You can't possible believe that just because your kid can't handle something, it must be bad for everyone. Maybe your child is weak in that area and is easily addicted to certain things. As far as the guy saying that it would lead to more accident and other catastrophies, that is just pure speculation on his part. There are many people driving at any given time who justed smoked a bowl or joint and do not get in accidents. Most people who smoke it will admit it slows them down if anything. Legalizing it would take it from the criminals and ease our court backups, stop putting people in jail for something very petty and bring needed tax revenue to our state. They can always repeal.

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meriana said on December 27, 2009 at 2:38 PM

be easier for them to get as all they'd have to do is go buy it from whatever 21 yr old they know. As for increased use? Yep, he said a lot more kids would be using it because it would probably be "better weed" and easier to get., if it was legal a lot of kids who don't use now, would begin to. He has heard kids say if it was legal, they'd be using. So ok....how many more kids do we want going to school "high"? How many would end up turning to stronger drugs to get a "better high" as our oldest son did? I'd rather not find out. As for the 21 yr olds , right now most of them probably indulge in their home...if it's legal, they're going to be indulging in other places..and they have to get home somehow...so they'll be driving under the influence and putting themselves and everyone else on the road in danger just like the drunks. It wouldn't really be helping the economy either as the funds derived from taxing it would simply to into the substance abuse programs

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weatherman6 said on December 27, 2009 at 2:28 PM

HECK NO MAKING IT LEGAL MEAN MORE DEATHS CANCER RATE GOING UP

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meriana said on December 27, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Slippery slope argument? I have an adult son who began smoking pot as a teen with his friends. It wasn' t too long before that one a day became 2, then 3 and so on, (they liked the feeling it gave them) until they decided they wanted a higher high than they were getting from the weed. At that point they switched to stronger drugs. It was years before he got clean. As for teens these days...a lot of them smoke pot....in fact, some of them go to school "high". A kid my teen son knows smokes it every day before school because he can't seem to get thru the day without it. It's an addiction for him, I don't know any other way to describe someone who feels a definite need for it. I asked our son if it was legal, would it stop the street dealers and would it or would it not increase use among teens. His answers: It wouldn't stop the street dealers or the teen dealers at all because if they had to pay a bit more for it, they'd just charge a bit more for it and it'd probably (CONT)

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hmmmm said on December 27, 2009 at 1:59 PM

"There's no upside to it in any manner other than for those people who want to smoke pot," said Travis Kuykendall, head of the West Texas High Intensity Drug-Trafficking Area office in El Paso, Texas. You could say the same exact thing about alcohol. There is no upside to alcohol in any manner other than those people who want to drink alcohol. So I give a big stfu to Travis Kuykendall, who I bet has tipped a few.

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dr_cooper said on December 27, 2009 at 1:08 PM

PS,,,,don't think my typos in the above are "bud related" either!!! lol

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dr_cooper said on December 27, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Make it legal. Put together a GOOD law, with all the safeguards needed to make this work. Too much money is being spent on policing. court and jail costs, on those that smoke, as well thas the small time dealer. The money saved, plus the money brouth in would be boost the economy needs. Legalizing "bud" is no different than when "booze" was. Maybe we will find out that people perfer smoking to drinking. How what a gift THAT would be , , ,

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brian520 said on December 27, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Meriana and those like her are well-intentoned but stubborn in their "slippery slope" arguments. If over-21s can buy at liquor stores, the illegal business will suffer. Kids who smoke pot can be more honest about what they will do when they turn 21, maybe they can delay gratification until then, many people will not be living double-lives and sneaking around with a shadow always trailing them. The laws of alcohol and cigarettes should be applied to pot. Over 21, working and driving impaired are discouraged, families can raise their kids to say no just like always. The difference is it saves money and hassle from law enforcment to busting up organized crime to letting people have pot without the "GATEWAY" which only exists because of associations with criminals who also offer more dangerous products.

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meriana said on December 27, 2009 at 12:53 PM

I have no problem with it being legal for those who need it for medicinal purposes...(cancer treatment relief, etc.)...but to simply make it legal...NO Way should that happen. We have enough problems with drunks on the road, I see nothing positive in adding people who are "high" to the mix. As for kids...a lot of them smoke pot now....if it becomes legal many more will be smoking it. Age limits don't work as we've seen with alcohol. As for the tax monies bringing in revenue, that's a joke as any tax monies gained would simply go to providing more substance abuse programs, so you'd be taxing something just to spend the revenue helping those who find themselves addicted....doesn't make sense.

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h8red42 said on December 27, 2009 at 12:48 PM

legalize it. take the money out of the hands of criminals and put it in the tax coffers. prohibition dose not work,that was soundly proven with alcohol.i don't know any one who says"gee i sure would like to smoke pot but its illegal so id better not."in my experience every one who wants to smoke pot is,and none of the money is going directly into the economy. sure it gets their eventually but not without enriching criminals first.

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walter86 said on December 27, 2009 at 12:05 PM

There should be a 'grace period' of legalizing pot. No sending bills to the state capital, just legalize it and sell it in liquor stores and see where it takes us. And if critics are right about the legalization of pot having a negative impact on our society then we'll only have to find out as soon it gets legalized.

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brian520 said on December 27, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Someone into "High-intensity drug-trafficking areas" probably doesn't appreciate low-intensity, relaxed lifestyles. I say let's lower the intensity in general, pot or no pot.

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