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WA tax collections plummet again, deficit swells

by Associated Press and DREW MIKKELSEN / KING 5 News

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Posted on November 18, 2010 at 11:33 AM

Updated Thursday, Nov 18 at 6:27 PM

OLYMPIA, Wash. -  Washington state's tax collections are down again, swelling the budget deficit and raising the possibility of a special legislative session.

Thursday's revenue forecast shows a big drop in expected tax income for the state over the next two years.

That adds about $385 million to the hole in the current year's budget, which runs through June 2011.

The forecast also says Washington will collect about $810 million less than previously hoped for the next state budget, which lawmakers will write in the 2011 legislative session.

“We are essentially in unchartered territory,” said Chief Budget Forecaster Dr. Arun Raha who said the economy is recovering much slower than in past recessions.

Gov. Chris Gregoire already ordered spending cuts to address the problem, but it won't be enough to fill the new gap.

Brown said Governor Chris Gregoire has asked the leaders of the House and Senate to come up with possible solutions by November 29th.

The Governor may reconvene legislators for a special session before the end of the year.

“It’s a huge problem,” said Brown, “It means very quick action by legislatures to get this done.”

The 2011-2013 deficit is now pegged at about $5.7 billion, out of a roughly $33 billion general fund budget.

 

 

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yessir said on November 19, 2010 at 11:25 AM

People tend to forget that programs like DSHS were created because children were dying from disease, hunger and neglect on the streets... These programs didn't develop in a vacuum. They were reactive developments. To read these blogs you'd think America was a bunch of heartless and soul-less ahols... fortunately that's not the case. I know some of you think that because there's a group of like minded jerks on these blogs (news blogs are populated by small groups of vocal extremists)... "America's finally getting it". Or you think that because people voted for something that says "no to new taxes" there's some sort of political rebellion under way... neither is the case. Most people are reasonable moderates, though they may be swayed temporarily by rhetoric. They aren't the libertarian extremists you're hoping for. Our nation needs moderates... not ultra-left liberals, nor ultra right conservatives.

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awol50 said on November 19, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Poor babies down in olympia. What will they do? What will they do? Well, if i were queen gregoire, the answer would take all of about 10 minutes to formulate. Take the state headcount and programs we had on nov 19, 2000, adjust that for inflation and get rid of the rest. After all, things were pretty good around here in november of 2000. I don't recall the people rioting in the streets nor hoodlums over running the folks. If we did that, there probablly would even be a few dimes left rolling around the floor of the governor's mansion to give back to us.

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skok_cush said on November 19, 2010 at 9:33 AM

gee, taxes go up, and revenue goes down. . . . . .ya think SeaTacOly will ever learn? not. . . . . .get rid of DSHS & CPS. Govt is for Defense and Infrastructure. . . . .not redistribution of wealth, and bribiing the poor for votes at the whim of our king, or Queen.

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perspective said on November 19, 2010 at 8:45 AM

Hey Jackwong, Ive got the answer. Why dont you put your money where your mouth is. Just send in a check!! Say for 100 thou??? then ask all your big gov friends to match you. Youll feel better about it!! As for me I say dismantle DSHS... We will save millions in lawsuits!

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mr_conservative said on November 19, 2010 at 7:01 AM

Deficits are a spending problem. Don't spend it if you ain't got it.

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freedomfrank said on November 19, 2010 at 6:47 AM

Oh,, and how in the heck did the "budget" get to 33 BILLION??? Theres only 6 1/2 million of us in Washington. Get real lawmakers!!!!!!

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freedomfrank said on November 19, 2010 at 6:22 AM

Its just like the old saying goes,,, its gonna get worse before it gets better. The unfortunate thing is lawmakers wont learn a thing from this because they will all be gone by the time the economy improves and the spending returns. The short lesson here folks, our government is too big. City, county, state and nationally. Too many layers, too many people doing the same thing. Its like City police, county sheriffs, and state police. Do we really need all those different police departments all with different rules, different standards? There has to be a better and more efficient way to do this without sacrificing public safety. We need to take this "opportunity" to make our government better.

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hightaxes said on November 19, 2010 at 5:46 AM

70% is untouchable because it goes to payroll and operating cost. You wouldn't want to lay off one of these very important people would you?

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cmeeverett said on November 19, 2010 at 1:13 AM

Why is 70% of the budget deemed "untouchable"? That's rediculous!!!

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gregalicious said on November 19, 2010 at 12:49 AM

What I think is amusing is what some fruitcakes think we are getting for all the money we are being fleeced of. The state government has been growing at a rate of 15-16% per year over the gregoire terms, yet under Bush our economy grew at around 6%, and shrank huge under obozo.. we don't have world class schools here as another poster likes to pretend, reading scores are below 1992 levels, that is right before we started hearing all the "for the children" rhetoric from the left, and countless raises, and skadillions of extra dollars spent on education and gifts to the teachers unions... is that the results we paid, and are paying for?? The electorate in Washington at best is tied to california for being the dumbest in the nation. We're smart enough to not vote for a tax increase so gov't can operate as usual with impunity, now, but we won't turn down teachers unions for failing our kids, and we can't elect anybody that will do anything different...

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jackwong said on November 18, 2010 at 11:10 PM

The legislation better get a special session before the Eyman initiative kicks in to raise taxes with a simple majority. We need to raise taxes at least once more to fill in this budget for the year.

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ohleemoose said on November 18, 2010 at 10:46 PM

Seriously, jet city? Look at what the leg did the last two sessions. Knowing they were going to be billions upsidedown, they went home early in 2008 because the Gov said they were tired and needed to be with their families. No real work accomplished other than swapping some funds around and counting on the feds to bail them out. Then last year the gov's budget proposed eliminating GAU--Washington is the only state to have such a program. What did they do? They changed the name of the program to Disability Lifeline, which cost the taxpayers more money. Wow. Nice job. Why wouldn't we trust them?

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tomma206 said on November 18, 2010 at 10:29 PM

Take the money they want to build the dumb tunnell with and give it to us.We are owed at least that much.Hate to say it but the gov and the sherriff are 2 women that should stay at home and clean.My cat would do better in office.

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grannyra said on November 18, 2010 at 8:03 PM

Well we finally found a way to cut Gov spending.!

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jetcitywoman said on November 18, 2010 at 5:47 PM

@momuddog - you are completely wrong. We might have the 5th highest SALES tax in the nation, but because we don't have a state income tax, we are actually 35th in the nation for overall taxes, with 1 being the highest. Check out the Tax Foundation Website (.org) - under tax data - to get the big picture. New Jersey is the highest and Alaska is the lowest. Since our state does not have a stable and reliable source of revenue (income tax) it is impossible to forecast revenues because it is totally based on how much money people decide to spend, how much they choose to drive, if they choose to drink or smoke, and how much property is worth. I cringe when I think about what our standard of living is going to look like in the next couple of years with the way things went in our last election. It's unfortunate that we elect our representatives, and then refuse to trust them to do they jobs they're elected to do. Democracy isn't as easy as some of you seem to think it should be...

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momuddog said on November 18, 2010 at 4:50 PM

Fifth highest taxed state in the Union (see tax freedom day website). Deal with it...

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kbbcoop said on November 18, 2010 at 3:44 PM

hmmmm i wonder what they will try and tax next to support their own salaries and benefits? Air? Water? (ooops they tried that)...how about taxing us for the weather? someone should be able to formulate that one.

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telman said on November 18, 2010 at 3:11 PM

You can only spend what you make. You lefties can blame Tim Eyman all you want, but the people of this State spoke now it is time for Olympia to act. I would start with cut of the staff of all you dead beats in Olympia.

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momuddog said on November 18, 2010 at 2:12 PM

Don't tell me Tim didn't get it. He just got it on the ballot, the voters gave it the go-ahead. Look at the expansion of government under the present govenor who told you we didn't have a budget problem after she spent all the $. If we aren't taxed enough, why is Washington the 8th highest taxed state in the Union??? Washington continues to elect the same socialist progressives and then wonders why we have budget problems.

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seattlelovemongr said on November 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM

@ka7frz6375452367...the problem is not that we don't want to support those police and fire protection, world-class schools, safe roads, and the many other things we count on that are provided by the government...its the fact that much of our tax money that we give to those wonderful services are "not" going to them....tax money is going to general pool where...Idoknow...things like a tunnel....new stadiums we all said no to....travel expenses for our spend happy Governor......and wasteful spending the state agencies like our wonderful Ferry system is doing.....and frankly ka7frz6375452367 people are tired of it!!!...and I agree with smithrock....The grinch...told us that we had a surplus and there was no way we had a budget problem....the second she sits her fat fanny in the office...we have a budget short fall....and she spits in the face of the people who voted for her... by raising taxes...cutting services other than her own..and inrunning the 2/3rd vote to rally for the candy tax

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jamey said on November 18, 2010 at 1:19 PM

Two things, first what do they tell you on a plane during the preflight safety, save yourself first before you can save others. Second, the parable of the cat stuck in the tree. Trust, the cat will save itself when it is hungry enough and tired of sitting in the tree. The children arguement has worn soooooo thin. Who do you give the money to, Adults. And what do Adults do who can't even provide for their children do, spend it on themselves. And what do the children of these Adults learn, to use your children to be selfish. And so the cycle continues. We have spend billions every year in the name of making children safe. My question is, has it worked?

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smithrock said on November 18, 2010 at 1:01 PM

GOVERNOR Gregoire needs impeachment for lying about how sound the State's budget was to get reelection when the State was in arrears by billions of dollars.

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ranco said on November 18, 2010 at 12:56 PM

Regarding DSHS, while it does include welfare, it also includes Children's Administration, who are charged with protecting children. So while I agree that the state government needs to look at where to reduce their expenses, cutting Children's Administration (CPS, Foster Parents, Adoption, Family Services) buget is really not a good place in my opinion as it leaves some of our most vulnerable in dangerous situations. The cuts they already have instated continually make it harder to remove children from dangerous situations and place them in alternative care.

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hightaxes said on November 18, 2010 at 12:50 PM

Truth is....America has taxed itself to death. Yet we can give billions to Haiti to rebuild. If your budget can't be met with the current revenue from taxes, then it's time to file for bankruptcy. Do it now and get it over with and get a clean start. Cut jobs from the top..not the bottom and stop paying out aid to those outside this country. There is nothing in our constitution that says we owe those outside our borders anything. Give the tree huggers a chill pill, forget about the people around the world suffering from hunger and pay attention to whats going on HERE...IN the USA. Take care of our own. A billions dollars would have given the homeless a chance to get off the street. Use your head Washington. I'm tired of working to support the state. I have a family that means a lot more to me than your ^$^%@# bridge !

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jamey said on November 18, 2010 at 12:46 PM

Also, not to worry about the state deficit. The next forcasted federal bailout is going to be to the states like WA, CA, OH, IN, IL who have over promised but now can't deliver. I am pretty sure Gov G. is already banking on this.

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jamey said on November 18, 2010 at 12:41 PM

DSHS and Education make up the lion's share of the State Budget. The education part I get, but DSHS? I kind of get tired of paying for Welfare moms to go to the Casinos while they let disabled boyfriends shack up with them. The state should be able to provide education, emergency services, and roads with $27 Billion a year, IF their priorities were right. My wife was a property manager for a large ghetto in Lakewood where most residents were on some form of public assistance. She would have to kick the children out because the mom would allow the boyfriend to deal drugs out of the appartment. Blaming Tim Eyman for the state's problems is like blaming the rain for flooding your house. You shouldn't have built/bought in a flood zone.

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vffrwm said on November 18, 2010 at 12:32 PM

If u want first class services this isn't the place to live. These roads are some of the worst in the country, these schools over the last 20 years have taken a plunge and we have cops that are shooting bums and dogs in peoples yards. I don't call any of that first class.

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biohazard1 said on November 18, 2010 at 12:26 PM

Tim Eyeman is an idiot... and if there is a budget shortfall.. why doesnt Governor Gregoire and the rest of the clown force in Olympia give up thier salary or take a pay cut ? Might not solve the problem.. but it would be a start....or get Bill Gates to donate money to this state instead of funneling it all in to Africa..which is a lost cause anyway !

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nwhominid said on November 18, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Tax breaks for Boeing, all we get is delays...

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ka7frz6375452367 said on November 18, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Tim Eyman just doesn't get it. If you want first class services, police and fire protection, world-class schools, safe roads, and the many other things we count on that are provided by the government, we must pay for it. It isn't free, Tim. If you want the politicians to be more accountable, don't take away their checkbook. Accountability is achieved through tough scrutiny of spending policies and someone actually reading the budget reports. I am not anti-tax; I am anti-stupidity. Removing revenue sources does not improve accountability. People do stupid things when money is tight; let’s hope that the legislature does not make any rash decisions based on these new figures. Without some very thoughtful planning, Tim Eyman’s initiatives will bankrupt this state.

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