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Red light camera debate moves to Redmond

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Posted on September 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Updated Wednesday, Sep 14 at 6:04 PM

REDMOND, Wash. -- Tim Eyman is taking on red light cameras in Redmond now.  This afternoon he presented signatures on a petition and asked that it go to a vote.  He's doing this in other communities too with mixed success.

It's not just here in Redmond as you mention.  Bellingham, Monroe, Mukilteo and Wenatchee are just a few cities where the political initiative business is booming to either take the cameras down or stop them from being installed.
 
A flash light after going through a red light is a bad sign for a driver.  It means a $124 ticket will be showing up in the mail in about four weeks.
 
A traffic light at the intersection of Redmond Way and 148th, for example, has seen traffic violations drop dramatically from nearly 1,200 warning tickets issued in February after the camera was installed to less than 200 violations in May.
 
"The majority of violations are right turn on red, but I would point out that those were the most hazardous and pedestrians," said Redmond Police Chief Ron Gibson.
 
But  a drop in citations is less clear at another busy intersection where Redmond has installed cameras.  The location at NE 40th and 156th near Microsoft is down one month and up the next. 
 
"95 percent of the infractions at intersections are for California Stops, that's an incredible expensive driver's ed program," said Redmond resident Scott Harlan. 
 
Harlan is filing the initiative to put the cameras to a vote.  For the record: a California stop is not making a full stop while making a right turn on red.  
 
With the help of frequent Initiative sponsor Eyman filing of signatures with clerk's office.  A group of Redmond residents filed more than 6,000 signatures to make a vote happen. 
 
And this is just the latest battle over the cameras. 
 
But if voters can put the cameras out of business, could they block other forms of law enforcement. 
 
"The system is already set up to weed out any frivolous ideas, but when it comes to these cameras, as Harlan says there's no doubt that these cameras are admittedly controversial and we think the voters should have the final say," said Eyman.
 
But in Bellingham, Monroe and Longview it's been a legal issue complete with court action.
 
Lawsuits seem unlikely here as Redmond is still in a one year long pilot program and could abandon the initiative.  These Redmond intersections don't see a lot of collisions but since the cameras went in, the number of accidents is actually up.
 

 

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wawolf said on September 15, 2011 at 9:03 AM

In the case of "California stops" for right turns; many times there should be a right turn arrow because there are left turns going in the opposite traffic that mean no pedestrians would be in the crosswalk and no cars could hit you. So slowing down and making the turn is safe. They took the right turn arrows out in many cases because they want the revenue.

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machinehead said on September 15, 2011 at 8:30 AM

@wikblom & vffrwm: You guys must work for the company that gets revenue from these robber lights. Yes, we know the company pays people to post "positive for the company" comments. Cities have finally come forward and admitted they are for revenue, not safety. troll somewhere else.

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vffrwm said on September 15, 2011 at 6:17 AM

The ONLY thing I would change is the amount of the fine. Make it $500.00 that will slow these morons down.

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wikblom said on September 15, 2011 at 12:45 AM

Those who are against the cameras are just outlaws and scofflaws who drive recklessly and negligently and don't want to have to face the consequences. I say put up red light cameras everywhere and raise the fines. If some don't like it they can slow down and follow the law.

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southside253 said on September 14, 2011 at 11:37 PM

Traffic cameras are just big business to the Arizona company that puts them up, and gets a portion of the fine. Cities allow it because it is a revenue stream at zero risk, they just sign the dotted line. Let cops give out the tickets, Ban cams.

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thecrankster said on September 14, 2011 at 11:37 PM

"But if voters can put the cameras out of business, could they block other forms of law enforcement." If the people decide they don't want the laws, then why would we care what some government official thinks.

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meare1 said on September 14, 2011 at 10:02 PM

Getting REALLY tired of big brother trying to regulate EVERY aspect of our lives... Get rid of ALL traffic cameras and let TRAFFIC cops do their job... Accidents are UP!! no kidding!! every body slamming on the brakes, just common sense these thing make it more UNSAFE!! Get rid of the crack cocaine fix for too many people in government making FAR too much money on the backs of the private sector!! Bye-bye cam rip-off!!

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Jorgen_Theli1f0 said on September 14, 2011 at 8:27 PM

You need to check the "facts" that have been supplied to you for this story, because you appear to have being misled! The only reason for the drop in "violations" at the intersection of Redmond Way and 148th is because the cameras were malfunctionaing in May and June, as stated by Redmond Police Dept at the Redmond City Council Public Safety Committee meeting on July 26. Overall, there have been NO significant change in the number of incidents at any of the intersections covered by the red-light cameras in Redmond except for one very important dimension: there has been a 27% INCREASE in the number of ACCIDENTS at those intersections since the cameras were installed -- again, see RPD data presented at the July Public Safety Committee meeting. The data from Redmond so far clearly shows that red-light cameras do not prevent accidents (quite the opposite, in fact!), and nor are they an effective drivers-ed program.

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Sir_Real said on September 14, 2011 at 8:22 PM

"But if voters can put the cameras out of business, could they block other forms of law enforcement." Just cause there is a law on the books, doesn't mean it needs to be enforced 100%. Ban the Cams!

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