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'McMansions' vs. farms in King County

by TRICIA MANNING-SMITH / KING 5 News

KING5.com

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 5:15 PM

DUVALL, Wash. - The day of the small family farm in King County has come and gone for a lot of families.  Many of the farmers left find ways to lure city residents to their farms, through the growing agri-tourism industry.  

One would-be farmer near Duvall says King County's burdensome rules are costing him his agricultural dream, with regulations favoring the rich who want to build huge homes, instead of helping farmers grow their businesses.

"This is a great place to grow healthy nutritious food," said Steve Capeder.

Capeder, a vegetarian and self-proclaimed fitness "nut," can already grow food.   But the problem is Capeder's big dream is made of lots of little dreams.

"This is a great spot to have weddings, on the open grass ...  up on the hillside would be a place for a goat dairy.  We have a little place over there, by the blueberry fields, would be a great place for a winery.  Where the big barn is, we could sell produce there," explains Capeder.

What Capeder is talking about  is agri-tourism and demonstration farming, not the stereotypical small family farm of years past.   He says the old-fashioned way of farming puts a modern farmer out of business.  But the process of developing Capeder's agri-business dream is hugely expensive:  in time, in money, and in permit fees. Thousands and thousands of dollars of permits fees. It's a permit and zoning process he claims is squeezing farmers out while favoring the rich.

"You can build one 'McMansion,' and the rules allow one McMansion, the rules allow one big house ... I'm watching all these farms go to billionaires, millionaires and to me these farms are a precious resource we've lost," says Capeder.

But King County says the rules exist for a reason:  to protect the environment and the community at large.

" He (Capeder) has tremendous vision for his property.  At the same time, how do we preserve an area that has known landslides, is on a steep slope, and much of which is in a flood hazard zone?"  questions John Starbard, King County's Director of Development and Environmental Services. 

King County recently surveyed rural residents and agrees that reasonable reforms are needed.

"Is the ultimate fee structure correct?  That's what we're looking at right now," says Starbard.

Additionally, King County Executive Dow Constantine has called the permitting process "daunting," and says he supports simplifying it.

But changes in rules will likely come too late to save Capeder's agri-tourism dreams. 

"I've already got it (his 89 acre Duvall farm) subdivided into four, 20-acre lots. The thought is to go to a county that's more conducive to farming," says Capeder. 

Recent statistics show there are still about 1,800 farms in King County. 

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scott04 said on March 8, 2010 at 11:05 PM

depressing state of capitalism...

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cathykombol06311 said on March 8, 2010 at 7:13 PM

i moved to forest land , in the middle green river over 20 years ago . state and county parks next door . developer took wonderful trailed out section listed hazordous mine site by county and approved by county for a section of mc mansions . despite pleas from locals and parks , this section is full of mcmansions and sink holes that go very deep and cave in on a regular basis . plus half the mcmansions have gone into foreclosure ! ALL of this was done with king countys full knowledge --despite plenty of public protest and park offers to buy . all of this was done with the dept. of mines full knowledge . a finite amount of money paid by the now deceased mine workers was and is being tapped into by the developers to cap sink holes . in short , the buyers here will have no mine funds to cap sinkholes on their home sites , they will have to come up with big bucks and do the capping in accordance with dept of mining . this section was reclaimed by BN and turned into profitable forest lan

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bicyclerider said on March 8, 2010 at 12:11 AM

jackwong comment ends at taxes out of them then mine strats to show his tax theory is wrong

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bicyclerider said on March 8, 2010 at 12:09 AM

jackwong said on March 7, 2010 at 9:38 AM Why are you guys calling it "McMansions?" They are beautiful, quality houses. That happen to be owned by rich people. Farming just seems to be a such a waste when we have big-scale farms to can bring food so efficiently to us. This goes with just about everything. I see people spend millions to restore old mansions in capitol hill, when they could build a brand new one in half the time. All I'm saying is we have to move forward, and forget the old way of doing things. Other counties should follow King County as an example to rid the people from not using their land efficiently if they want to raise revenue for the much starved social programs in their community But when the valley has its annual flood the Our tax money will be use to replace a Mansion when a farm would love to have all the new nutrution in the soil. So would a mansion really bring in that much money in a flood plain

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jackwong said on March 7, 2010 at 11:53 PM

The obsoleting of businesses goes along with every industry due to technology. A business becomes unprofitable because there are too many players, due to the ease of entry. In this case, the excesses(people) need to find something else to do. Things will balance themselves out. In this world economy now, there are many things that can be imported for much cheaper. Our jobs is just to make sure we are in a business that the world needs. It's not about right and wrong, it's about contributing the right thing.

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reimiraa said on March 7, 2010 at 10:32 PM

for us we are fruit growers. they are not a necessary item to live. fruit is seen as a luxury item corn and wheat growers are the ones who get paid not to grow. no one cares about us. most fruit growers have to get production loans to operate, most farmers are living off of last years crop because this is how the tree fruit industry works. a grower takes his fruit into the warehouse and doesn't see the paycheck for months till all the fruit is sold. and they can hold fruit for 6months or more before shipping. and many growers in our area had to fight to get production loans because of the cherry disaster. that and the banks are stricter on giving their money out. but growers are more responsible than most people on loans.

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noskills said on March 7, 2010 at 8:34 PM

On your federal income taxes do farmers write off all those business expenses? You buy enough should should be able to write them off on your taxes.

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noskills said on March 7, 2010 at 8:32 PM

But dont you farmers also get government subsidies?

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reimiraa said on March 7, 2010 at 6:20 PM

i'm from the east of the cascades and i live on a family farm and see prime growing land going to rich west side ppl buying and building large houses as secondary homes, occasionally primary. thanks to them and their expensive houses when property taxes were reassessed in our area the tax values went up 200% sometimes more. also farmers are double taxed (in a way or find a better term). didn't know that did you? when we buy supplies, we pay state sales tax. Growers buy supplies retail then we sell our produce wholesale. logically does this make sense? we are LUCKY to have our growers. in the valley the temperature is cooler in the summer due to irrigation and all the shade and foliage absorbing the sunlight. the only way to fix this economy is to buy locally. keep the dollars local instead of them being wasted on union stuff or sent out of state for the franchise. people freak when teachers have a strike. IMAGINE what would happen IF FARMERS WENT ON A ONE YEAR STRIKE?

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jackwong said on March 7, 2010 at 5:38 PM

@drcyclops: We have a surplus of food in America, to the point where the gov't has to subsidize farmers not to farm. That's the *REALITY* of our economy. HOwever, there are people with money willing to pay big money for their dream estate homes in the Duvall area. In the sad state of Seattle, we need more tax dollars to achieve that. I know what I'm talking about.

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trojan33 said on March 7, 2010 at 2:05 PM

How about not taxing the famers so much? Especially, the estate tax. Oh wait, then what the democrats do without the tax dollars? Maybe not spend money like it grows on trees.

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drcyclops said on March 7, 2010 at 11:51 AM

jackwong, are you that naive? Hopefully, there isn't a lot of unenlightened people out there that have to ask something that stupid, or be so misinformed. We have all of this food, BECAUSE of farms. Food doesn't appear, already packaged, ready for consumption, not even candy-bars. If there are no farms, we would eventually starve to death, from no food at all. I'd have to say this, out of honesty: jackwong, time for you to so a "DO OVER", and go back to school, stick with reality as a major this time, not fantasy.

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jackwong said on March 7, 2010 at 9:38 AM

Why are you guys calling it "McMansions?" They are beautiful, quality houses. That happen to be owned by rich people. Farming just seems to be a such a waste when we have big-scale farms to can bring food so efficiently to us. This goes with just about everything. I see people spend millions to restore old mansions in capitol hill, when they could build a brand new one in half the time. All I'm saying is we have to move forward, and forget the old way of doing things. Other counties should follow King County as an example to rid the people from not using their land efficiently if they want to raise revenue for the much starved social programs in their community.

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tedco959 said on March 7, 2010 at 8:14 AM

Please write letters to Kathy Lambert (King County councilmember) http://www.kingcounty.gov/Lambert/Staff.aspx

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aziza said on March 7, 2010 at 8:10 AM

Jackwong is so right! You can simply go to the supermarket to get food, we don't need farms! (sarcasm)

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browndog said on March 7, 2010 at 7:42 AM

Jackwong needs to do some research.

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sensibleguy said on March 7, 2010 at 7:34 AM

Who needs food when you can have a big house?

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ked50 said on March 7, 2010 at 6:53 AM

McMansions generate more in tax revenue than a family farm. It's all about revenue to the political hacks who live to spend OUR money, in ever increasing portions. Remember the dem legislature, and the dem governor who want to raise taxes . . . oh, and of course, the dem county exec, and council . . . They're the one who are creating the onorous regulations that are driving out the family farms. (and many other businesses.)

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sumner_son said on March 7, 2010 at 6:45 AM

Agriculture is the life's blood of this country. The U.S. Government knows it (USDA's website: "Vilsack Outlines USDA Efforts to Revitalize Rural America and Increase Agricultural Exports') Farms are disappearing by the minute (also from USDA: The U.S. agricultural population is poised to make a dramatic change - half of all current farmers are likely to retire in the next decade. According to the 2007 Census of Agriculture, the average age of farm operators was 57 years. Farmers over the age 55 own more than half the farmland in the U.S. ) Floods are not a bad thing in agriculture - they are just another cycle, and farmers of old knew this. It is the land replenishing itself. It's something "modern folk" don't understand anymore. River valleys should be farmed, and not built up with McMansions. King Co. LOVES the taxes from development, and not simple things like farming and agriculture. The old axiom is definitely true here: "Money talks, bull$#![ walks." - away from King Co!

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scott04 said on March 6, 2010 at 11:49 PM

wow, in this economy how does developing supersede an abundant natural resource? Lots of people are being fooled if this is the case.

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grumpymoose said on March 6, 2010 at 11:24 PM

I live in the area and know the property he is trying to work on. The lower part of the property is on the banks of the Snoqualmie River and floods frequently. Anything planted there is succeptible to being wiped out frequently. However, a small agri business that could provide others, even in an urban environment, tips on how to grow produce for their own consumption while surviving the frequent floods, would be a good addition to the area if the taxpayers are not responsible for loss due to known flooding. Expanding to a winery or wedding reception facility could be stretching it. The county has already squashed the plans of such a facility further down the valley. Immigrant flower farmers seem to succeed while the generations old dairy farms are being overcome by environmental regulations. King County seems more interested in more tax revenue from development than traditional land use. Environmental stewardship only if it benefits them. No rights for reponsible property owners.

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teufel said on March 6, 2010 at 11:11 PM

Jackwong and Governor Gargoyle don’t care about the farmers or the home owners. Governor Gargoyle and her minions love to squeeze every bit of tax cent out of the WORKING people in the state so that they can pay for their socialist projects. Hey Jackwong I see your name quite a bit on this website, do you have a real job or do you just sit in front of your monitor all day collecting your welfare check & food-stamps?

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mrcrowley said on March 6, 2010 at 10:40 PM

Are you for real, jackwong??? If so, thanks for the nightmares.

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jackwong said on March 6, 2010 at 10:18 PM

Ummm... why do we have farms? That's a thing of the past, we have plenty of food to go around. Today's way of producing food is so advanced, and our ways of transporting it has obsoleted these small farms. We definitely should use the the power of permitting to drive out these farms and get more people to live at Duvall. It's time to move forward and encourage houses. We can get more property taxes out of them.

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rosalatina1984 said on March 6, 2010 at 5:48 PM

i would like to help how can i help this need help duvall out cause we are out here and know one knows where we are at and we need this for are town

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