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Bill would send your toll fine to a collection agency

by LINDA BRILL / KING 5 News

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Posted on January 29, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Updated Friday, Jan 29 at 5:45 PM

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Do you support or oppose the idea of sending toll fines to a collection agency?

TACOMA, Wash. – The state legislature is considering a new idea if you fail to pay a bridge toll: Send the fine to a collection agency.

Right now, when you go over the Tacoma Narrows Bridge, you are cited if you fail to pay the toll. You can then go to court and contest the ticket. Under the new proposal, you'd have to pay first and argue your side later.

The bill is being proposed by Sen. Mary Haugen, D-Camano Island.

"I've always heard the courts are overworked, overloaded. They don't have enough money. And so, if we could do something in a much more cost effective manner, I just think that's good public policy," said Haugen.

District court judges oppose the measure.

"To remove tickets from the courts and put them in the Department of Transporation will result in taking people's rights to their day in court away and that is a very a fundamental right people have and it isn't fair," said King County District Court Judge Barbara Linde.

The proposal is buried in a sweeping transportation bill designed with the future in mind. It would cover fines when there are tolls on other bridges like Interstate 90 or State Route 520 or the future downtown Seattle tunnel.

Revenues could shoot up even higher if people had to pay first and argue later.

But it's going to be a hard sell, especially for people who want justice.

"I think you should have your day in court first to prove your innocence before you're deemed guilty and have to pay and then try and correct that later," said Tacoma resident Marty Olson

Many wonder if this isn't the fox guarding the hen house. The Department of Transportation would contract with the collection agency. That means the group fining you would be connected to the group that would hear your appeal.

The fine for failing to pay the toll on the Tacoma Narrows Bridge is $52. Last year, 112,000 drivers got tickets. Most of them were caught by the flash of a toll camera.

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jamey said on February 1, 2010 at 3:18 PM

For those of you who say "just pay the toll" I want to add that, I did, but still got a ticket. I was driving a car that did not have a G2G pass. I stopped in the toll plaza and gave the lady a VISA cash card. She gave me a receipt, my card, and a green light to proceed. I received a ticket a week later saying I did not pay. After digging the receipt out of the bottom of a weeks worth of trash and litter box scoopings (3 cats), I mailed it ,and the ticket, in for consideration. It was dismissed. With the new bill, kiss your rights goodbye.

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jamey said on February 1, 2010 at 3:00 PM

I have a Good 2 Go pass so this is not an issue for me. But this is wrong in so many ways, yet some are coming out in support of her idea. It takes away our rights to Due Process, and the separation of the executive (transportation) and judicial branches. We have already given up our privacy rights by allowing cameras to track our cars through the plaza and our equal taxation by having to pay the toll to begin with, because it is the ONLY toll in the state. I could be mistaken, but isn't Senator Haugen also a cosponsor on a gun control bill too. The Bill of Rights is just a piece of paper that can be tossed in the garbage if we choose not to defend it. It seems to be eroding faster than our shorelines.

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scrollworkman said on January 30, 2010 at 7:10 PM

This must be a joke, and not a funny one.How did these maroons get in a position to make these comments.I know how to spell moron, someone with the intelligence of 8 to 12 year old,Why is 18 years old the legal age to run for office.

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collegeguy said on January 30, 2010 at 1:32 PM

@jackwong, this has nothing to do with the financial health of our goverment, this has to do with what is right and wrong with our government. This is a clear violation of our right given to us by the constitution and people like you should get your head examined.

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factoid said on January 30, 2010 at 1:27 PM

Some of you folks are starting to frustrate me. You think this system is flawless, why should you pay the ticket if you already had the toll deducted from your account? If the State makes a mistake you have to waste your time, energy and money to prove otherwise? Have you folks ever tried to reason with a bureaucrat? It is the most frustrating experience you will ever have. A lot like reasoning with a tree stump.

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organdonor said on January 30, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Why not just pay the toll like everyone else and not get fined in the first place.

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factoid said on January 30, 2010 at 11:33 AM

This guilty until proven innocent policy would save a lot of taxpayer money spent on the judicial system. It has work well in places like, Russia, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela and other like minded countries. I think "jackwong" would love it there.

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bigbarb said on January 30, 2010 at 11:29 AM

No doubt the collection agency would want their take also, thus the fine would be even larger. Does the Senator that proposed this have her head where the sun doesn't shine, or have a percentage in a collection agency?

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clear2copy said on January 30, 2010 at 10:23 AM

jackwrong, it happens quite a bit. The system is flawed in the favor of the County..by design methinks. I had to pay a ticket for a toll that I paid and had PROVEN I'd paid.

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jackwong said on January 30, 2010 at 9:28 AM

@sensibleguy: You are the minority. For the good of Washington's financial health as a whole, I still think it's a good idea.

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morganthomas said on January 30, 2010 at 8:44 AM

That would be fun to see. The last two "collections" guys that came to my place didn't leave without help. Bring it on.

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camanojoe said on January 30, 2010 at 7:29 AM

It's just amazing how our politicians can be so creative when it comes to collecting revenue and with ease believe they can present it to their dumb constituents in the name of government efficiency. Where are the Scott Brown's of Washington State? It's time for some real "Hope and Change" in our govenment. This broken way of thinking is killing our economy.

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sensibleguy said on January 30, 2010 at 6:36 AM

jackwong, you assume that everyone who gets a ticket is guilty. I personally have received a ticket while at the same time was charged the toll. I had to go to court and show the toll records to prove it was deducted from my account. THAT IS WHY THIS LAW IS WRONG!

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jackwong said on January 30, 2010 at 4:35 AM

I gotta applaud Sen. Haugen, definitely could help our state bring in some much needed revenue, so we may not have to cut so many social programs. If you don't want to be ticketed, PAY YOUR FRIGGIN TOLLS!

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inkedwingz said on January 30, 2010 at 1:56 AM

I want my click back. I know how long it takes to get anything done in the government, at a state or national level. Even though I'm not one to skip on the toll, I know for me, if I was accused of that, financially I'd be nearly ruined. I'd have to choose food, phone, or transportation. All three being vital to any livelyhood. And I do agree with BALDEAGLE, innocent until proven guilty, and MONOBLOCKS due process. Both being encroached upon.

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monoblocks said on January 29, 2010 at 10:28 PM

So much for the Fifth Amendment and due process.

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nocando said on January 29, 2010 at 9:48 PM

overboard

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nocando said on January 29, 2010 at 9:44 PM

overboard

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masterblaster said on January 29, 2010 at 9:35 PM

Silverado, you are are nothing but a liberal who doesn't understand that the government is out to protect you and your best interests. So what if a few innocent people have to pay tickets they; were probably guilty of something anyway. Besides, the government is never wrong. I say put cameras everywhere and have collection agencies send bills for every behavior that government disapproves. You have nothing to be afraid of if your not doing anything wrong. Instead of fines for toll violators let's do asset forfeiture, if they don't have cars they can't skip out on tolls. Oops sorry, actually Silverado, you stole my thunder with both of your posts. And let me add something, when a creditor turns a bill over for collection he only collects a portion of the money owed. That means that if the fine is $50.00, the state may only get $25.00 from the collection agency thus cheating itself (the People) out of the fine.

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honestahol said on January 29, 2010 at 9:32 PM

Great idea. That will teach them! Man, I've talked to a collection agency ret@rd long time ago. Man, it was so painful I'm still amazed at myself that I didn't track down and killed the moron!

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sensibleguy said on January 29, 2010 at 8:44 PM

If the court system is clogged it means there is a problem with the ticketing. Fix the problem first before you start passing unconstitutional laws.

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silverado said on January 29, 2010 at 8:43 PM

And to nickc...I appreciate your standing up for the constitution....but your idea is almost as crazy as the bill itself. Prove guilt and the fine wiIl be paid. That's out it works. I will not post a bond for the priviledge of proving my innonence.

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silverado said on January 29, 2010 at 8:35 PM

Just another example of our elected officials thinking they can veto our constitution. We are all innocent until PROVEN guilty. Residents of Camano Island....you need to vote this nutcase out of office. She just doesn't get what it means to be a citizen of a Free Country. Get her out of office now.

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nickc said on January 29, 2010 at 8:21 PM

This bill should be dead on arrival because it violates your constitutional rights, as well as other issues A Better idea If someone want's to contest there ticket add anther $50 to contest it and then another $50 for wasting the courts time when they loose.

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tomma206 said on January 29, 2010 at 8:10 PM

All bull plain and simple.Hope they get tickets themselves and get their car impounded and then let them talk about more fines

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noskills said on January 29, 2010 at 7:09 PM

What a horrible horrible idea. I hope this fails.

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factoid said on January 29, 2010 at 6:53 PM

I am starting to think that the legislature is filled with a bunch of crooks. Maybe the courts are so overworked, because the Legislature keeps passing laws, making criminals out of all of us. Hey I have an idea, when you get accused of a crime, you go to jail until you can prove yourself innocent. Common sense has definitely left the Legislature. Vote em all out, we need to start fresh.

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myowncomments said on January 29, 2010 at 6:29 PM

"112,000 drivers got tickets" they don't say how many DID NOT GET TICKETS. They are trying to boost their revenue for their inferior equipment. Why do they need tellers? Send them a bill in the mail if they don't have a Wave2Go! Why a ticket? Dumb legislation. Random thoughts brought to you by myowncomments.

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fedupinwa said on January 29, 2010 at 6:15 PM

And if they let this happen, how long do you think it will take the DOT, to mail back your refund.? I''m thinking till they get enough intrest, before they let go of your money.

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baldeagle said on January 29, 2010 at 6:10 PM

What happen to innocent till proven guilty?

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