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by ELISA HAHN / KING 5 News

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Posted on February 2, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Updated Friday, Feb 3 at 4:25 PM

WENATCHEE, Wash. --The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is suing a Washington library district, for censoring what kinds of websites adult patrons can access.  

If you log on to a computer at the Wenatchee public library and type "porn" into the search engine, the list of results will appear as if porn doesn't exist.  

The North Central Regional Library District banned pornography from its computers. The censorship also means other websites are blocked. The board decided it's a matter of a safe work environment and its responsibility to the public.

"We believe having pornography in public places hurts our ability to accomplish our mission," said Dan Howard, director of public services.

And that mission is to promote reading and lifelong learning.

Dania Martinez came here to check her email with her 3-year-old daughter.

"It's proper because a lot of parents bring their kids into a library," said Martinez.

But the policy also means the library has to block some popular sites, like Google Images, that disable their filter.

"We cannot allow any access to an internet site that would subvert our internet filter," said Howard.

The ACLU accuses the library district of having an overly broad filtering policy "that has prevented our plaintiffs that are an artist, a college student, and a gun magazine, from accessing perfectly reasonable material," said Doug Honig, spokesperson for the ACLU.

The NCRL, which represents 28 libraries in the central part of the state, admits the filtering policy puts them in the minority. Other libraries have taken the stance of non-censorship, citing First Amendment rights.

Some patrons say it just works in their community.

"Even our local college you can't access porn, and that's older people," said Kimberly Beason, a library patron.

Customers can request the library to unblock certain sites on a case-by-case basis. The state Supreme Court ruled in favor of the library district two years ago. The case is now pending in federal court.

CLARIFICATION: An earlier version of this story overemphasized the NCRL's effort to block one category of websites -- pornography.  The ACLU believes the library is improperly blocking access to many types of sites. -- KING5.com.

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ankh5 said on February 3, 2012 at 7:16 PM

@invalid In the second case you mention, I'd say the ACLU IS fighting for my right to not have to look at your religious symbols in a public place that I paid taxes for. It's called separation of church and state.

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invalid said on February 3, 2012 at 2:57 PM

@coyotebmw: I am not a motorcyclist. Helmet or no, people in emergency medicine call them "donorcycles" for a reason. As for any assertion that the ACLU is "fighting" for our rights, I'll believe that when they stop suing to prevent people from making religious statements or displaying religious symbols in public places.

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mcrain092 said on February 3, 2012 at 2:52 PM

I support the idea of freedom to express yourself and freedom of speech and blah blah blah - but the fact of the matter is I think the librarys internet filter is a good thing. Quoted from the article - "The ACLU accuses the library district of having an overly broad filtering policy, "that has prevented our plaintiffs that are an artist, a college student, and a gun magazine, from accessing perfectly reasonable material" If you are doing research because your a college student or looking up something about your hobby which has to do with firearms, then I say go to the front desk and tell them and they said on a case by case basis that they will unlock the pages for you. If its something you need to access and there is no reason you wouldn't walk up there and have them unlock it. Almost every business has an internet filter now days, so why are libraries any different?

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whateva82 said on February 3, 2012 at 2:40 PM

I think it is really simple. Create a children section, where they are fully visible to staff. Install cameras to insure people violating laws can be prosecuted. And here is the tricky part... Don't let your children go unattended.

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coyotebmw said on February 3, 2012 at 1:37 PM

tootoo, I think what Mr_Conservative is trying to say is that with our Bill of Rights freedoms, go responsibility. The library is trying to be responsible.

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coyotebmw said on February 3, 2012 at 1:31 PM

@bazwest and invalid, are you motorcyclist? If not, stay out of the helmet discussion. If you are, go to Idaho or California if you want to ride without a helmet. I really don't want to have to pay to support you after you crash without a helmet on.

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seattle_fudge said on February 3, 2012 at 11:59 AM

So, tootoo, is it someone's right to hit you in public? There are things that hurt others even though they may not be physical, and some things shouldn't be done in public. I applaud the library for trying to protect little eyes.

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saynotolibs said on February 3, 2012 at 11:52 AM

@tootoo, I don't see how this is an impingement on freedom of speech. Do you really think it is right for some guy to be browsing explicit material in a public place where kids could be walking by and seeing it? If an adult wants to look at that type of thing they can go to a store and buy it. Our tax dollars should not be used to give that person a way to view it for free.

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tootoo said on February 3, 2012 at 10:46 AM

@mr_conservative I'm sorry you don't like freedom of speech, freedom from government protrusion into your public life and and other basic freedoms, but this is America, and I'm proud of her and her freedoms and will support anybody that fights for those rights.

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gritz said on February 3, 2012 at 10:30 AM

On cold days all the street people can go to the library, get some free coco and watch pron all day, in warmth.

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treeclimber said on February 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Dirty movies and dirty books have no place being in our public library's,i own the library's, i pay the taxes that build them, And to have a hand ful of perverrts demand we give them permission to watch dirty movies in our libraries is wrong, It is against the law and the constitution to display filth in puplic places at the tax payers exspense.

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gladimoved said on February 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Not our rights, but the rights they deserve in their home country of Mexico so they will stay HOME!

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gladimoved said on February 3, 2012 at 10:14 AM

The ACLU at its finest! They are a waste of time and I wish they would go to Mexico and help those poor people get their rights!

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mr_conservative said on February 3, 2012 at 8:55 AM

@tootoo - I'm not surprised that you support them. They hate everything that is good and decent in this country. So do you and jackwong get together and write out your checks over a Starbucks?

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skok_cush said on February 3, 2012 at 8:44 AM

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1st Amendment is for free Political Speech. Walk downtown Innercity and unleash the N word and see if the ACLU defends you.

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tootoo said on February 3, 2012 at 7:53 AM

Sorry all you anti-American neo-cons. First amendment is first amendment. You can't expect the ACLU to fight for some rights and ignore the government trampling on others. It's why I support them financially year to year. You may not support the people or ideas they are trying to protect, but as Americans, you should support them fighting for our rights.

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saynotolibs said on February 3, 2012 at 7:43 AM

The libs reach an all time low!

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gritz said on February 3, 2012 at 7:29 AM

Shoreline you are wrong. It is illegal for a minor to enter into a adult movie theater.Nolonger rated x the new rating is NC-17. No one under 17 admitted.

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invalid said on February 3, 2012 at 12:56 AM

@slappywag: The stuff we're talking about here isn't quite the stuff of National Geographic documentaries. And the reason we shield kids from it is that they're not necessarily ready to process it yet. Read the original story on this - the young girl who saw it was quite upset by it.

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shoreline said on February 2, 2012 at 10:35 PM

gritz, it's not illegal to view this type of material if you're under 17. It's only illegal to buy it. It also can't be directly marketed to minors. I agree with Mike.

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slappywag said on February 2, 2012 at 10:31 PM

This is a HUGE waste of resources. Why do we shield kids from how they are made? Give me a break. It's not news. Kids know how it all works by age 10 or 11 today. Why do we try to keep it like Santa Claus? Stupidity is the only reason I can think of, because an INFORMED decision is an EDUCATED decision. And you can guarantee yourself if the ACLU is involved, there is $$$$MONAAAAAAAY$$$$ to be made. Morons. All of them.

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invalid said on February 2, 2012 at 10:26 PM

@bazwest: Nooooo! Say it isn't so!

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collegeguy said on February 2, 2012 at 10:14 PM

@jonjuan, only a dipstick like you would make this about the governor, when it is obviously not. Frilling stupid people like you.

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bazwest said on February 2, 2012 at 9:58 PM

If the ACLU were truly interested in preserving civil liberties they would sue to overturn helmet laws and to ban red light cameras, and other laws that restrict our civil liberties. They must have some other agenda.

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gritz said on February 2, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Since X rated material can only be seen by those over the age of 17, and since we cant guarantee that will happen in our library, the only way to comply by the law is to censor. Then make a adult computer kiosk on a old 486 56K analog modem in the back.

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invalid said on February 2, 2012 at 8:43 PM

If the ACLU will sue on behalf of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, why won't they sue on behalf of the Freedom From Pron (sic) In Public Foundation?

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jonjuan said on February 2, 2012 at 8:35 PM

That's easy Christy is looking for money to save defund the libraries.

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Mike_Graeberad1 said on February 2, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Is Seattle really so simple minded? Take a look at the way the computers are set up in Snohomish County. Only the user can see the screen, which lays flat under a table. Visible only through a shield, $5 solution.

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Hope_Speakerad7 said on February 2, 2012 at 7:34 PM

You spelled "censorship" wrong in the blurb. On the front page. Nice.

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