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Gay marriage opponents promise ballot challenge

by Tonya Mosley & Associated Press

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Posted on February 2, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Updated Friday, Feb 3 at 1:32 AM

OLYMPIA, Wash. — Washington state is likely to become the seventh state to legalize same-sex within the next two weeks, but opponents have already promised a ballot challenge would halt any summertime weddings.

As supporters celebrated the Senate's 28-21 vote passing the measure on Wednesday night, a coalition of religious groups promised to start collecting referendum signatures as soon as the measure is signed into law. The bill still has to be approved by the House, but with the tougher hurdle of the Senate already cleared, that second vote is just a formality.

"This is not a political issue from a church point of view. It's a church issue, a God issue," says Cedar Park Church Pastor Joe Fuiten of Bothell. The conservative pastor is confident his congregation, made up of thousands, will follow his lead and sign a referendum to get the measure on the ballot in November.

 
Gov. Chris Gregoire announced support for the bill last month, and said she would sign it into law.
 
The Washington, D.C.-based National Organization for Marriage, noting its involvement in ballot measures that overturned same-sex marriage in California and Maine, issued a statement Thursday promising to work with groups in Washington to qualify a referendum to overturn the likely new law.
 
Democratic Sen. Ed Murray, a gay lawmaker from Seattle who has led the push for gay civil rights and domestic partnerships, said that he thinks the public will uphold same-sex marriage.
 
"It will be a tough battle, it will probably be an ugly battle, but I think we'll win," he said.
 
"Washington United for Marriage" is a coalition in support of same-sex marriage was formed in November to lobby the Legislature to pass the measure and to run a campaign against any referendum challenging it.
 
"We take them at their word that they're going to put this on the ballot," said Zach Silk, campaign manager for Washington United for Marriage. "We're readying ourselves now to have that fight."
 
An official referendum campaign to overturn the law hasn't yet been formed, but opponents say that are in the process of organizing one.

"We're talking about everyone, not just parishioners, we're talking to anyone and everyone who has a concervative view," says Pastor Ken Hutcherson of Antioch Bible Church in Redmond.

 
"This is an issue that moves people unlike most," said Joseph Backholm, executive director of the Family Policy Institute of Washington.
 
Backholm's group was among those who unsuccessfully tried to overturn the state's 2009 expansion of domestic partnership rights for gay and lesbian couples, known as the "everything but marriage" bill. The law was upheld by 53 percent of voters.
 
Backholm said that this campaign will be different than that behind R-71.
 
"We're going to be more organized," he said. "We'll have a strong state effort and a larger national presence as well."
 
Backholm pointed to the precedent of voters overturning gay marriage laws in California in 2008 and in Maine the following year.
 
"We're not talking the Bible Belt," he said. "Even in left-leaning states, they've looked at this, raised an eyebrow and said, 'no, that's not marriage.'"
 
Silk said that the influx of national money from conservative religious groups "tipped the scales in California and Maine."
 
"We have some advantage of having learned lessons from other people's losses," he said.
 
Opponents must turn in 120,577 signatures by June 6. If opponents fall short in the number of signatures they turn in, gay and lesbian couples would be able to be wed as soon as the signature count is done, likely sometime in June. Otherwise, they would have to wait until the results of a November election.
 
Under the measure that passed the Senate Wednesday, the more than 9,300 same-sex couples currently registered in domestic partnerships would have two years to either dissolve their relationship or get married. Domestic partnerships that aren't ended prior to June 30, 2014, would automatically become marriages.
 
Domestic partnerships would remain for senior couples where at least one partner is 62 years old or older. That provision was included to help seniors who don't remarry out of fear they could lose certain pension or Social Security benefits.
 
In October, a University of Washington poll found that an increasing number of people in the state support same-sex marriage. About 43 percent of respondents said they support gay marriage, up from 30 percent in the same poll five years earlier. Another 22 percent said they support giving identical rights to gay couples but just not calling it marriage.
 
When asked how they would vote if a referendum challenging a gay marriage law was on the ballot, 55 percent said they would vote yes to uphold the law, with 47 percent of them characterized as "strongly" yes, and 38 percent responded "no," that they would vote to reject a gay marriage law.
 
Same-sex marriage is legal in New York, Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont and the District of Columbia.
 
Lawmakers in New Jersey and Maryland are expected to debate gay marriage this year, and Maine could see a gay marriage proposal on the November ballot. Proposed amendments for constitutional bans on gay marriage will be on the ballots in North Carolina on May 8 and in Minnesota on Nov. 6.

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stevezee said on February 8, 2012 at 8:58 AM

@mmullvain I hate to break it to you, but gay men are the worst when it comes to being faithful to their spouse/partner/boyfriend. Although there are no statistics, gay men cheat on one another (in what I believe to be) 10 times that of straight couples. Gays just can't keep it in their pants. Not only that, but that's one reason why HIV transmission is so rapid and high among gay men - because they cheat on their partner and pass it along. It's a ruthless, disgusting cycle. Which is why, as a gay man myself, do not agree with gay marriage. It's just going to create a whole entire mess of infidelity cases.

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AliP14 said on February 3, 2012 at 12:19 PM

We all believe differently than one another....it will always happen. Just write legislation that respects both groups involved in this matter. Only problem that I have with it, is that it reaches into my life attempts to compel me to agree with someone else's way of life (by law now). If I am a photographer, caterer, marriage counselor etc...I am compelled to participate in and support a way of life that is contrary to my religious belief. Equal rights and protection...please! Trying to make me agree with what you choose to do in your personal life through the law, no :( Compulsion never results in anything good and the gay/lesbian community is not the only group have their rights trampled on unfortunately.

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mmullvain said on February 3, 2012 at 12:19 PM

They deserve to be married. Who are we to tell them what God wants or how to live their lives. We all have the right to be happy. What you should be mad about is people like Kim Kardashian who destroy the very principals of marriage and set a bad example for others. If anything, Gays make marriage better by showing how strong and committed the foundations of their relationships are.

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rogercj said on February 3, 2012 at 9:38 AM

In 2007 gay marriage advocates won the ability to enter into Domestic Partnerships, which provided certain legal rights to the partners. In 2009 they won the over-reaching Everything But Marriage legislation that conferred many, many more legal rights. Fine. Enjoy! I have no problem with gay partners having legal rights to community property, medical information, patient access, ability to make long term care decisions if partner is incapacitated, inheritance rights, etc. But. The title and some legal rights and benefits must remain the province of heterosexual marriage. The reason why is simple: traditional marriage between a man and a woman is the ideal situation in which to bear and raise children. Our society benefits from the nuclear family's success and should encourage it. Certainly, some hetero marriages are imperfect, end in divorce, or are childless, but it is still the gold standard and should remain so. The best hetero marriage trumps the best gay one, always.

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3jrts said on February 3, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Why don't they just keep this to themselves?? I am sure I am not the only one who is sick and tired of hearing about it.

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deepsee said on February 3, 2012 at 7:57 AM

One word....Antidisestablishmentarianism

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stonetrails said on February 3, 2012 at 7:51 AM

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I am completely disgusted with pandering politicians.

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stonetrails said on February 3, 2012 at 7:48 AM

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Just say NO to gay marriage

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realitychk said on February 3, 2012 at 12:54 AM

so savvy...what happens when the union born of God is a POS where the husband treats it as a union of slavery and abuse? What about when these married in a union of God are not "up to the challenge"? My spouse and I are married almost 20 years and have children but see many children of broken homes that are not taken care of by the social fabric. What about those relationships where God is used as a tool to enslave a woman? If such leniency is available to men to trespass beyond their Godly duty to the marriage, what is marriage for? If relationships are ultimately about love and not control, why would God decide that those who love cannot rear children in a positive manner rather than that of a controlling dictator who allows little growth and peace. Marriage has become a license, not a religious ceremony. Those who keep in sacrosanct will do regardless of gender orientation.

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savvydude2003 said on February 3, 2012 at 12:27 AM

The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. Happiness in family life is most likely to be achieved when founded upon the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Successful marriages and families are established and maintained on principles of faith, prayer, repentance, forgiveness, respect, love, compassion, work, and wholesome recreational activities. By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. So in gay marriage, who is the father and who is the mother? Great family life for the kids.

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realitychk said on February 2, 2012 at 11:51 PM

@mr conservative...I am a fiscal conservative. However, the ability of two people who love one another and are willing to commit should not be limited to a male and female. There are way too many of those failed institutions floating out there to make a "woman and man" valuation valid. The absurdity to me is that people would willingly enter into a legal institution that forces them to effectively pay a higher tax rate when they had rights to civil unions prior. But, I am not in that position so maybe there is something I have missed. Along with the Senate not wanting to deal with the out of control budget.

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realitychk said on February 2, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Welcome to unfair taxation. Community property. Thank you for increasing your tax debt. Other than that, the legal situation was already specified. You folks are brave or not aware of the negative taxation implications of marriage.

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pamby said on February 2, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Isn't there supposed to be a seperation of church and state? Isn't there supposed to be equal rights in the US? If the marriage law is challenged would civil rights for minorities and women be challenged? How far into the dark ages will we as a state fall on just this issue. I don't believe that one religion should use that religion as a political club to swing at others.

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plungginalong said on February 2, 2012 at 10:04 PM

mr_conseravative is the type that would look at craigslist for a hot quick date.

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andyblue555 said on February 2, 2012 at 9:46 PM

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mr-conservative join your brothers of bigotry past. join those who fought to keep slavery...and lost join those who fought to deny blacks the right to vote...they lost. join those who fought women getting the right to vote...they lost. Join those who kept non-whites from sitting in front of the bus.... They lost. Join those who fought for segregated drinking fountains.....They lost. join those who fought interracial marriage.... they lost.....Quite the history of losers I must say.

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beehive said on February 2, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Bring it on! I am a Christian and I am rejoicing today to hear gay marriage has finally passed in our state. And to all of you opponents...why can't you focus yourselves on something more creative with your energy? And, if you do try to overturn this, there will of course be MANY of us ready to fight too. .

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andyblue555 said on February 2, 2012 at 9:41 PM

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I am glad you will spend so much time on this Mrconservative. You will lose of course in the end as gay marriage spreads from state to state and is eventually ruled a constitutional right on the federal level. Work your fingers to the bone. It is your choice to waste your life while everyone else progresses forward. : )

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mr_conservative said on February 2, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Marriage is not a right. But keep on deluding yourselves and spreading lies, you liberals. Gimme a handful of these petitions, and I'll start collecting signatures. And you conservative haters can even print my name. I'm not afraid to take a stand for what's right.

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andyblue555 said on February 2, 2012 at 9:02 PM

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The arguments are completely stupid. Why should the majority even be allowed to vote on the rights of one group. This should have been ruled unconstitutional a long time ago. This has NOTHING to do with religion That is just an excuse these bigoted frauds use to justify their hatred of others. They don't even understand the difference between civil marriage and church sanctioned religious marriage. The stupidity never ends.

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rlt13 said on February 2, 2012 at 8:50 PM

since when does standing up for what you believe in result in "spewing hate and bigotry"?. if they truly believe that the bible is law and they believe that the bible is against gay marriage, the only logical solution is for them to vote against it. seems to me like you three commenters before me are hypocritical...you hate on these christians for standing up for what they believe in. obviously there are some opponents of gay marriage that do what they do because of hatred. but they are the small minority, most christians are driven by what they believe in, not hate. something to ponder about

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Dan_Kuykendadea said on February 2, 2012 at 8:47 PM

I am against the bill as passed. This needs to go to the voters before it is signed into law. IF the majority of voters agree that this is what we as a state want, then by all means lets have one huge party and everyone that wants to get married. This just was not something that the legislature should take upon themselves to hand to the voters of this state. I am curious as to how many gays/lesbians want to get married or is this something demanded by a small minority fo appease themselves of the feelings of being held as second hand citizens.

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wamatt said on February 2, 2012 at 8:23 PM

I really can't believe these "good" christian people can stand on their soap boxes and spew such hate and bigotry. Maybe people should start looking at these church leaders and what they are really saying. It's disgusting to think that these people have any influence on others. Where does it stop???

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broseph23 said on February 2, 2012 at 7:59 PM

these haters are wasting their energy on something so simple. seriously, GO DO SOMETHING THATS ACTUALLY PRODUCTIVE.

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andyblue555 said on February 2, 2012 at 7:42 PM

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Weren't they all screaming on previous posts about time wasted by gay marriage? How much self hate do these people carry around with them promising to push even more hatred with a referendum to stop people who love each other the right to marry. PURE PURE HATRED and nothing more. These are mostly religious nutcases swinging their bibles in every direction as they realize they are running out of people to bully. I think more people are sick of these bullies now and will stand up to them for that reason. Its time they were held responsible for their actions. They had better be careful. People are fed up.

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