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Concerns raised about new Seattle arena plan

by CHRIS DANIELS / KING 5 News

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Posted on February 18, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Updated Thursday, Feb 23 at 3:57 PM

SEATTLE - Concerns are being raised about a plan to build a new sports arena south of Safeco Field. Some are raising questions about whether it truly complies with Initiative 91.

The SODO neighborhood is a vibrant port community, active with trucks, ships, and trains and businesses like Outdoor Emporium.

Paul Marander is the general manager of the building and notes parking has been a problem for years here.

"I've heard it from customers, and others too," he said.

He knows it could be tougher if a planned arena development gets the green light.

Hedge fund manager, and former Seattleite Chris Hansen has offered almost $300 million to the city to build a complex to house an NHL and NBA franchise.

"We've been working on stadium funding issues for 15 years," said Chris Van Dyk.

Van Dyk and his Citizens for More Important Things successful backed I-91.

"With I-91 in place the city cannot make an investment in arena without generating a positive cash rate of return on the investment," said Van Dyk.

He now questions if the city and county's willingness to bond up to $200 million in debt creates too much public risk.

"This proposal may or may not comply with I-91.  We just want to make sure it does,” he said.

Marander knows traffic would likely increase, but in the end, he says for his business that might also be a good thing.

"I think it would ultimately be good for the City of Seattle," he said.

The NHL is disputing reports that a deal has been reached to keep the financially struggling Phoenix Coyotes in town. A person at the league office said it is “the exclusive focus for the league” to keep that team in Phoenix.

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mike2451 said on February 20, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Hear we go again more debt,more debt, more debt, can't they fix the roads !!!!

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gfjohn77 said on February 20, 2012 at 8:45 AM

I love reading all the nay sayers on here. The one thing I have learned about this Blog is that it gives a forum for everyone to whine about something. My personal favorite are the ones who blame the city and state for all the empty seats in a backhand way. Explain to me how it is the City and/or state's fault that there are empty seats? Explain how the city was at fault for empty seats at the Sonics games before they left. It couldn't have been or be because they were not playing well and winning. It couldn't be becaue the stupid owner wasn't investing because he planed on moving the team and it made more sense to move a team that was losing and not getting that much interest from fair weather fans. It couldn't be that the Mariners are in a rebuilding phase and that is why the seats are empty because they are not winning. No it has to be the fault of the city. So by your logic the Seattle Seahawks are going to be leaving soon because fans are not in the seats.

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ThinkN-Do said on February 19, 2012 at 9:49 PM

" If you cannot figure out how these teams help our economy (,) maybe its time to start doing some research, read some books, maybe take a class or to (TWO) and educate your selfish self" And what books might these be that you speak of?

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patwe said on February 19, 2012 at 7:20 PM

What parking issue? Most of the small business around that area charge $10 - $20 dollars for letting people park on their property.

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willyboy said on February 19, 2012 at 5:58 PM

If you really think Seattle sucks please stay away we don't need your kind of mentality in OUR beautiful city !

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xtremeracer said on February 19, 2012 at 12:41 PM

We don't need a new arena that would create jobs what we need is our taxes raised to support putting more useless things like statues and art on street corners Seattle is becoming the most socialist city in America thanks to brain dead Liberals. Glad I never have to go to Seattle for anything Seattle SUCKS

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seahawk12jl said on February 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Why does it seem like King5 is leading the campaign against this?? I think I'll start watching KOMO. The Sonics were here for 40 years so to say they can't be supported is ridiculous. the seats were empty because thats what happens when you have an owner purposely running the team into the ground. And I'm not a soccer fan but they are sure supported. I think you'd be surprised how hockey would take off just like soccer did. I gotta agree with airbags comments I think anyone opposed to having teams in here are still upset they were the lamest kid in school and now its revenge of the nerds...

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excoastie said on February 19, 2012 at 12:28 PM

The money that this will make,and the new jobs it will create, is the same argument that was made in building Safeco. It hasn't happened. Seats are empty as soon as the novelty wares off. This won't be any different.

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ankh5 said on February 19, 2012 at 11:56 AM

@daunte The point made was that the Sonics were not filling the stadium. My point is that there is not enough of a market for two more teams in this town, period. If big Chris' venture doesn't make money, we will get stuck paying for this somehow. But it doesn't matter, because as I mentioned before, there aren't two teams available to move here at the same time.

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juliajae said on February 19, 2012 at 11:49 AM

A new arena for new teams means new jobs during the initial construction AND ongoing. I say if parking is an issue, make parking towers part of the stadium package. That's fair, and smart. In my opinion, that should have been mandatory when The Safe was built. Business in SODO is going to boom!

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Daytrader said on February 19, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Chris H. welcome to the whining capital of the free world.

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browndog said on February 19, 2012 at 11:25 AM

If you don't like traffic and hate trying to find places to park why in the hell do you live in Seattle. Move to some little town that you can live quietly and Park for free wherever you want. Bring back the NBA and the jobs it creates, and the money it brings to the city and state. And the NHL will only help. If you cannot figure out how these teams help our economy maybe its time to start doing some research, read some books, maybe take a class or to and educate your selfish self.

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dakotanative said on February 19, 2012 at 10:23 AM

I don't use the ferries, so no more funds for them. Never been to Seattle center, so no need to spend money on police. No need to maintain I5 north of Everett. Don't use it anyway. Highway 2? Waste of money. Save some money on park rangers. I usually only get there once a year. No need for fulltime help. Oh, there are other people besides me, me, me that might use other services? Had no idea. I will never go to a game to fight for a seat, latrine and pay out the keister for food and drinks, but some may enjoy it.

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sumner31 said on February 19, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Another example of Seattle's "Think Small" campaign.

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daunte said on February 19, 2012 at 9:48 AM

southlakeunion you're a tool bag and clueless the sonics were reloacated in 2008 to OKC. "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt" .

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daunte said on February 19, 2012 at 9:46 AM

@southlakeunion you're a tool bad and clueless the last year the sonics were reloacated in 2008 to OKC. "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"

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ankh5 said on February 19, 2012 at 8:43 AM

@southlakeunion We are still entertaining this idea because an ex-local with hundreds of millions to spend needs a new toy, and this city doesn't have the ba*ls to say no.

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airbags said on February 19, 2012 at 7:15 AM

there are a lot of misinformed comments here, the loudest voices always come from those who are quick to anger and know little. instead of arguing about spending money on social programs instead of arenas and blah, blah, blah, i'll just say this: i hold no respect for chris van dyk or his organization. it's one thing to say "no" and present alternatives on where money should be spent but it's wholly suspect to say "no" for the sake of saying "no". citizens for more important things hasn't even bothered to update their website since I91 passed. it's nice to think that such an organization has "forced the city's hand", but to what? you haven't affected any REAL change, you've only shown that you're willing to bully the city because you may be a weak-armed milquetoast who got picked last in grade school gym class. athletics are important. being well-rounded mentally, physically, and spiritually is tantamount to being a complete person. most of you cheat your taxes, anyway.

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southlakeunion said on February 19, 2012 at 6:46 AM

No one goes to these basketball games anyway!! The Sonics were on their way to the playoffs in 2009 and Key Arena was still only 50% capacity at best! People here don't care about basketball so why are we still entertaining this idea?

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hipcheck said on February 19, 2012 at 1:40 AM

Solution to traffic: People will be more inclined to carpool and use alternative methods of transportation. Chris Hansen acquired land in that area because that is the areas highest and best use, a sports arena complex.

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hipcheck said on February 19, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Wait a minute! the local gov't isn't throwing $200 million at millionaires. I'm broke as a joke, but i wll work harder to be able to attend a NHL hockey game, and i'm sure basketball fans feel the same about the NBA. So the millionaires are simple giving back and simply doing a civic duty.

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whatitdo said on February 18, 2012 at 11:16 PM

It's too bad such a beautiful city has to be infected with blue liberal whiners who hate businesses and people who make money. What a shame......You can be pro business and pro environment at the same time. Try it some time.

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whatitdo said on February 18, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Chris Hansen to the crybabies- "I have over a Billion dollars, you lose" Haha. Parking is not a problem whiners. I park there all the time for free, and when I go to Seahawks and Mariners games. You go up to about 6th and Holgate and park for free. The area is perfect, you just want to complain. Admit it.

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jackwong said on February 18, 2012 at 10:52 PM

We definitely also need to look into the environmental impacts of a stadium. More occupancy in Seattle may be disastarous for the Duwamish. Also, the rising real estate price impact may also gentrify the at-risk minorities unfairly in that area. Perhaps we need to ask these investors to also subsidize low-income housing as a condition to do business in this city.

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ThinkN-Do said on February 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM

The lack of economic boom in Seattle is likely been affected by the sluggish economy, the lack of reasonably priced parking and now an additional culprit; the TOLL Bridge. Gee, I have a few extra bucks in my paycheck this month; I think I'll drop it on the toll bridge and parking fees. I won't be able to afford to buy anything, but at least I can go look at stuff . . . . of course, now that the price of gasoline is going back up, I cannot afford to drive there anyway; guess I'll stay home and buy some stuff on-line and have it delivered to my door, while I watch sports from the comfort of my home or a nearby (walking distance) sports bar. Actually, I wouldn't waste my life watching sports, in person or on TV. Why would I want to drop a couple bills to watch someone who's paid an obscene amount of money to play a game? The average outing cost for a family of two isn't worth a days wages to me.

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wearedoomed said on February 18, 2012 at 9:03 PM

I think the concern should be the lack of traffic currently around Seattle Center. Remember losing the Sonic's wouldn't impact the city financially because it was going to be filled with concerts, art festivals, and community events. How did that work for you Seattle? Bring on the NHL/NBA!

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ThinkN-Do said on February 18, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Ask yourself, besides supposed low paying jobs for those who work at the stadium and concessions, what else do stadiums bring? Lots of people, traffic, litter, belligerent behavior, ticket scalpers, an increase in possible dui's; what else did I miss?

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willyboy said on February 18, 2012 at 8:36 PM

NO more arenas or stadiums in Seattle !

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gottabebacon said on February 18, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Surprise, surprise there are concerns. Hard to believe from The City That Says "NO".

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jonjuan said on February 18, 2012 at 8:10 PM

How many times have they lied to you? When you going to figure it out? Oh thats right Washington is a Blue state.

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whatitdo said on February 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Build an art gallery there. Then Seattle will be happy

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whatitdo said on February 18, 2012 at 7:34 PM

I think the uptight a holes on this community just run out of things to complain about.

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whatitdo said on February 18, 2012 at 7:33 PM

I park for free whenever i go to Sodo. Yeahh........ parking is real tough there.

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gstommylee said on February 18, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Just to note I-91 only applies to the city of Seattle not King County. The state is not involved with this project.

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IrwinMFletcher said on February 18, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Absolutely no story here. Go SONICS!

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whatitdo said on February 18, 2012 at 7:27 PM

How does phoenix where it is 70 degrees in winter have a hockey team? Which city is bigger Seattle or Phoenix?

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whatitdo said on February 18, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Is this thing on?

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josefina said on February 18, 2012 at 7:06 PM

What a complete waste of taxpayer money, throwing $200 million over to already millionaires. There are so many other worthwhile projects instead of professional sports in King County.

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whatsyurbeef said on February 18, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Parking and easy access, make it a priority.

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spacedover said on February 18, 2012 at 6:40 PM

If you don't have cash don't expect the stupid tax payers in this state of confusion to pick up the tab. This is one of the last things this state, county, and city of Seattle can afford just get back to the basics and fix the chuck holes and take care basics.

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mcrain092 said on February 18, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Every article written by king5 recently about this new proposed arena hashes over the same points over and over......

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dhnrs said on February 18, 2012 at 6:20 PM

it is just amazing how how people can find problems with anything, get a friggen grip

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