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Many questions about 911 calls in Powell case

by LINDA BYRON / KING 5 News

KING5.com

Posted on February 8, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Updated Wednesday, Feb 8 at 11:27 PM

What happened in the emergency call in the minutes before Josh Powell set the deadly fire that killed him and his two boys?

The caseworker called 911 for help after Powell locked her out of the house. But the 911 tapes raise questions about the response and there is a review under way.

The caseworker was questioned for almost 7 minutes before the Comm officer said he would send a deputy.  And even then, it appears the call was handled not as a life threatening emergency, but a priority two.

Caseworker Elizabeth called 911 shortly after she delivered the two little boys to their father's home.

Elizabeth's call went to a communications officer at the Law Enforcement Support Center in Tacoma.

"I'm on a supervised visitation for a court ordered visit, and something really weird has happened,” she said.

The Comm officer needs the address. Elizabeth struggles to find it.

One minute 24 seconds in: "But I think I need help right away … he's on very short leash with DSHS and CPS has been involved and this is the craziest thing ... he looked right at me and closed the door.”

For the second time Elizabeth identifies that man as Josh Powell. She's heard the kids crying. Less than 2 minutes have gone by, she sounds calm - but concerned.

"And I'd like to pull out of the driveway because I smell gasoline and he won't let me in," she said.

The next minute is a confused exchange between Elizabeth and the Comm officer. He asks whose house it is.  He doesn't seem to understand what she means by a supervised visit.  He doesn't recognize who Powell is.
    
Three minutes in, the situation is becoming clearer, but still no sense of urgency.

"Okay, so you're supposed to be there to supervise Josh Powell's visit with the children? Yes...that's correct...and he's the husband of missing Susan Powell, this is a high profile case.”

It's unknown whether the Comm officer has had a deputy dispatched to the scene. But Elizabeth says the kids have been alone with their dad for 10 minutes.
    
The Comm officer is asking again for his name - how to spell it, what he was wearing.
     
Elizabeth's been on the 911 call over six minutes - she's still not sure when help will arrive.

Elizabeth: "Okay, how long will it be?

Comm officer: I don't know ma’am...they have to respond to life threatening emergencies ... life threatening situations first.

Elizabeth: Well this could be life threatening!

She hangs up and a short time later, the house erupts into flames. She calls again as she hears fire engines approaching.  

“And he blew up the house and the kids!” she said.

Comm officer: The kids and the father were in the house?

Elizabeth: Yes!

The Comm center that took the 911 calls is asking people to withhold judgment, saying the questions they ask on those calls can be crucial. They need to know who the bad guy is, where it is happening. They say they cannot find people using GPS on your phone. They need to know where you are.

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nyb2010 said on February 9, 2012 at 11:20 PM

The boys actually probably we NOT deceased while the call was taking place, aziza. It was the fire that ultimately killed them. The outcome could have been different, and I really hope there isn't a cover up on this and it just goes away.

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yoyomama said on February 9, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Let me ask you folks a queston. Why did it take the case worker over 90 seconds to give the call taker an address? WTF? And why should the call taker automatically recognize the name of Josh Powell? Until this occured, I had never heard of him.

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aziza said on February 9, 2012 at 7:36 AM

I agree the response time seems long, but really- where is the manual on handling axe wielding murderers set to blow up a house? By the time the call was made, the boys were probably deceased. This psychopath had it all planned to trap the boys and murder them all before anyone could have stopped him. Those precious babies didn't have a chance. Without pointing too much fingers here, first of all the blame lies entirely on Josh. Secondly, I question the judge.

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Mingledchime said on February 9, 2012 at 6:08 AM

"They need to know who the bad guy is, where it is happening." - - Alright, they can get all that info in seconds - certainly less than a minute. The COMM officer is simply being obtuse. He seems to be able to take in information only in little tiny bites and still can't understand it. He is not the right person for this type of very high responsibility job. He doesn't react appropriately in an emergency.

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swatguy said on February 9, 2012 at 5:42 AM

Ed Troyer keeps telling us those 7 minutes would not have made any difference, but he is flat wrong. Those minutes are an eternity for law enforcement and fire and would have made a huge difference if the communication between the case worker and dispatcher hadn't turned in to War and Peace. As a cop, I have seen seconds make all the difference, as a firefighter, I can confirm that each one counts.

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commonsensewa said on February 9, 2012 at 1:02 AM

Listening to the recording was almost as traumatic as the act itself! This is a prime example of professional disconnect. The moment the caseworker said the name "Josh Powell", you would have thought the 911 operator would INSTANTLY recognize the name. She said his name so many times and I kept waiting to hear the 911 operator say, "Oh! That Josh Powell!" Do these people live under a collective rock?! If I was the operator of the business that facilitates these caseworker supervised visits, I would have refused to take the case once I found out who and WHERE the supervised visit was to take place.

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thetruth01 said on February 9, 2012 at 12:33 AM

King 5 you sure have been quick to delete any posts about the bumbling of the PIerce County Sheriffs department why is that?????????

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Oh-Ya said on February 8, 2012 at 11:33 PM

At the end of the day the only person to blame it Josh Powell.

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Lisa_Marie_Vf62 said on February 8, 2012 at 11:12 PM

While it is necessary to get and clarify all the information needed for the police to apprehend a suspect, it did appear to be that the operator was repeatedly asking the same questions again and again....and does he live on Pluto? She said "high profile case" and the name "Josh Powell" during the conversation. Anyone, who lives in this region, should have been able to zero in on that.

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lin1945 said on February 8, 2012 at 11:09 PM

There needs to be retraining. The outcome might have been the same but now we will never know. The whole event is so horrific. Josh was the evil one but the 911 operators stumbled through not giving the caller/superviser much support. RIP, Charlie and Braden. You are loved and missed. Snuggle in the arms of your mother. May the Cox family and Jennifer and her immediate family find comfort that the precious boys are with Susan. They will never have to see their father again.

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sonicsghost said on February 8, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Also, the fire department showed up within 3 minutes after the first calls reporting the fire. Who knows how soon a car could have gotten there if this operator had been proactive and on top of things? He should have known who Josh Powell was for sure, and that name should have triggered some serious red flags and gotten the emergency response system (of which he is a vital part!) moving right away. People who defend this guy by saying he's following his scripted list of questions are likewise fools. You follow the scripted steps when you're assembling burgers at McDonald's. When you're handling calls that may involve life or death situations, you had better bring your best to every call. He dropped the ball repeatedly during this call, it was almost as if he didn't want to be at work that day. I hope the operator is reading these comments and questioning his career choice. I certainly don't want him handling my 911 calls if I ever need to make any in the future.

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aziza said on February 8, 2012 at 10:28 PM

This is a horrific event, how can we expect the caseworker to have a grasp on what exactly was happening? Or was about to happen? Its clear she couldn't articulate that to the 911 dispatch. And the dispatch has to have information so that they know what to send out. How was anyone to know that he had a hatchet and was going to then blow the house up? How was she to know why the kids were crying? She couldn't have known, and realistically even if the call were shorter... would it have really made a difference in this case? Once the house blew up, then they knew.

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medicalknowhow said on February 8, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Life is so important. Saving lives is a priority of all in danger, including those that may do the saving. If responders would have made it to the house quicker, their lives may have been in danger too. They could have broken down the door just as the explosion happened. they would be right in the middle of a life-threatening catastrophe themselves.

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dakotanative said on February 8, 2012 at 10:14 PM

I cannot believe the people that question the 911 operator. What is josh wearing? Well, if he ran out the back door, a cop may see him while responding. What color is the car? Well, it may help find the house if the numbers are obstructed. The woman was unable to express the urgency of the situation. Theses guys hear so many bogus calls a day that they can't send a car to every call as priority.

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ginas said on February 8, 2012 at 9:48 PM

the most disturbing: "Comm officer: I don't know ma’am...they have to respond to life threatening emergencies ... life threatening situations first. " i can understand them asking for a description, what he was wearing etc for emergency's safety sake, but when he was made aware of the situation with the kids in the home, the smell of gas, and who it was... wow. i suppose it's easier to critique from the calm & comfort of hindsight.

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myopinion said on February 8, 2012 at 9:11 PM

sxycj -You are correct in stating that Josh is the only one to blame for the death of these boys. The operator just seemed to be spending time questioning the the social worker on who her supervisor was, And what kind of car she had. And ended stating an officer would show up sometime, but her call was not a priority

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sxycj said on February 8, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Everything the first comm officer asked was right on. They need to know everything possible about who they are dealing with so he was doing his job. Everyone needs to stop putting the blame on him for doing his job. They are trained very well. You guys just want to put the blame on him instead of putting the blame on Josh Powell. No matter how long it was going to take Josh was going to kill himself and those boys. So please stop putting the blame on this gentleman that works at the comm center. Put the blame on Josh. And when the gal called back and got another comm officer that comm officer did everything they could to get help to that house. The comm officers are human and they are all hurting over this just as everyone else is. And yes I do know one of the comm officers that work there.

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Lisa_Marie_Vf62 said on February 8, 2012 at 8:20 PM

This puts me in mind of the guy that was being beaten to death in Ohio years ago and the 911 operator told the caller to not take an attitude with her. This 911 operator appeared to either suffer from short-term memory loss or not be typing anything into the computer, while he was on the line with the social worker. I would have had the smart aleck mouth to ask this 911 operator, "Who's supervising you?"

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speeadork said on February 8, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Dude....just quit now before we hunt you down.

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whispah said on February 8, 2012 at 7:47 PM

I read the transcript on another site. Operator asks for first and last name of Josh repeatedly, like he couldn't remember or absorb the info he was being told. Whats the difference what he is wearing?? Social worker already said he is locked in his home with 2 boys. It would make a difference if they were looking for a perp on the street, so this question is irrelevant. And the operator was told he locked the door, could hear crying and smelled gas. And then 7 minutes later being told that he has to dispatch officers to life threatening situations first?? This operator is a moron.

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Cherie_Waack76f said on February 8, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Maybe parents on supervised visits should have to meet in secured areas- to late for the Powell children but there are so many others- having a social worker bring them to an isolated home was not a well thought decision- the children and the social worker need to be able to feel safe and secure.

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myopinion said on February 8, 2012 at 7:21 PM

He sounds like a complete idiot!!!

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Lisa_Marie_Vf62 said on February 8, 2012 at 6:48 PM

I agree with musicfreak. The operator, who handled the first 911 call was making himself very difficult to talk to. He asked her the same question regarding the supervised visitation over and over, as if he wasn't catching on to what the situation was or he was just flat out badgering her.

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musicfreak said on February 8, 2012 at 6:36 PM

That doesn't explain why she had to continue to say the same things over...and over...and over. That first Comm person was just a moron.

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